There is just no way enforcement of masks is good enough, STILL. And inevitably people yank them down for a minute or so here and there.

Indoors? You are sitting in seats that others walk by, walk over you to get to their seat.

Pay to be at a higher risk of infection area?

Nalod wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Each fan was 6 seats apart with a mask— would u go?

No. Im not into conspiracy or validating or not the virus. What I know about it relative to my situation and the answer is no.
They call it "practicing medicine". Its not perfect science as no two bodies are alike.
Its not that Distrust my government but historically they are not known for always getting it right, or docters, nor big pharma, or big business, or democrats, or republicans........
So what I don't know is more than I know and thus will stick to being as carefull as I can.
That said, I don't care if anyone wants to go but if the societal well being suffers becuase folk won't wear masks, or are cheering and blowing out of a mask, then no it shall not be a good idea.

Nalod walked into a store last week in south Carolina with a mask. 30 year old women working retail said "You are not required to wear that in here". I replied "Thank you. If anyone walks in here wihout one I will not be in proximity to that person or you. Since we cannot contuct a financial transaction outside and there is no standard distance either it be 3 feet, 6 or 10. I doubt then I will be able to make a purchase here but I respect your rights to not where one". I said it very nice. She gave me a look. I explained "Just because its not required does not quantify it as right or wrong, valid or invalid. My medical condition and age are no doubt different from yours, so whats good for you might not be for me or others. Im not political here, there is a science that is not conclusive. From what we know wearing a mask protects you more than me. That said I will wear my mask, but we cannot conduct a transaction because you choose not to". She then proceeded to tell me what she read and what she thought. I repeated I was not going to tell her what to do and that I am not validating or not my medical information. I choose to protect my body in a manner condusive to my demographics and medical history. If I was 30 years old and in perfect health I might think as you. But im not.
She then askes "some people are put off by me wearing a mask". I asked her if she owned the store. She did not. I mentioned she might want to discuss this with her manager or owner. This was a small retail shop. I aske her what % wears masks. she said about half. I asked her of the half that don't what % would be put off enough to the point they would condemn your choice and it affect their shopping purchase. She said snarky "maybe half". So I said your cutting your sale potential by 75%. She said "How"....>"well, the half that is wearing a mask obviously won't mind, half that are as you said wouldn't either, and the ones that are going to judge their purchase because your are not like them? Really?, they walked into the store to specifically look for this product, and made their final choice becuase your WEARING A PROTECTIVE DEVICE?" if they say something you can say "I take care of an elderly person".
Again I was nice as could be.
Walked by the store a half hour later and she was wearing a mask.

Yeah I wouldn’t go either and what kind of experience would it be abyway? You’re kid sits 6 seats down?Put your family at risk?
But sports without fans are not sports. It’s practice

BRIGGS wrote:I guess this speaks volumes
I’m with u guys— I did go out to eat last night because it was thinly attended— there was 5 people in a place that holds over 100. Wore mask in. Took it off during eating but still felt uncomfortable—although overall it was nice to get out.

Yeah I wouldn’t go either and what kind of experience would it be abyway? You’re kid sits 6 seats down?Put your family at risk?
But sports without fans are not sports. It’s practice

I'm still at the phase where I do takeout about once a week, dump all food into my own container and then wash hands before touching food. Don't yet feel comfortable having dishes and silverware from someone else handed to me.

Generally I feel how I start to relax a Little more which really feels good - I Keep up my guard but it has been horrible, literally running behind your Kids (3yrs old son) to see if he keeps his distance to other Kids on the playgrounds.

A huge thing here I think has been that the economic crisis has been limited in scope - due to "Kurzarbeit" a lot of ppl have been able to retain their jobs - just on limited hours and partially payed by the gouvernment - we have not had a bigger financial crisis as of yet. We do have 7 mio ppl in "Kurzarbeit" which is a huge number of course but you can tell how this process has kept a stable Society during this time. I love the concept and really am super glad we have a welfare state in the back - even though luckily I did not need it this time personally.

Another thing that might be an emotional game changer for me is the introduction of the "Corona App" - last week the RKI (German equivalent to the CDC) has introduced an app you can install that will basically warn you when you have been in critical proximity to somebody diagnosed with Covid-19 - so you can get tested.

So... just a quick shoutout from around the world!
Guys stay healthy and safe! I really hope at least the most Basic thing you can do for the public health - wearing a mask - becomes a common sense in the US quickly and stops being a political gimic!

BRIGGS wrote:

dodger78 wrote:I am also super cautious in the current situation even though numbers have been looking rather good in Germany for some weeks now.
We have some "super spreader Events" for instance there have been some 700 new infections in a big butchery but all in all in Munich were I live we have between 5-15 newly infected in a City of 1.4mio ppl.
Myself and hence my family (sorry but since I am the most cautious they kinda have to cope with my benchmark) we are still wearing a mask when going to the groceries or such. We literally have not been "out" to a Restaurant or Cinema but my wife will meet 2 friends for some Drinks on Friday for the first time since 3 months now. They will sit outside somewhere where they can keep a reasonable distance.
I have done Basketball practice with my Team but only 7 guys at a time and stayed outside not in a gym (but we are in the process to reopen those). Everybody brings his own bball, no physical contact in practice so mostly ballhandling, Shooting and conditioning drills. Works quite well... and I think we get in more of the "boring" stuff than usually since everybody is eager to simply be out with a ball! ;-)
Offices are reopening as well - Schools and even Kindergardens do as well - mostly These Things are based on a quite good compliance of the Population to wear a mask and Keep their distance.

Generally I feel how I start to relax a Little more which really feels good - I Keep up my guard but it has been horrible, literally running behind your Kids (3yrs old son) to see if he keeps his distance to other Kids on the playgrounds.

A huge thing here I think has been that the economic crisis has been limited in scope - due to "Kurzarbeit" a lot of ppl have been able to retain their jobs - just on limited hours and partially payed by the gouvernment - we have not had a bigger financial crisis as of yet. We do have 7 mio ppl in "Kurzarbeit" which is a huge number of course but you can tell how this process has kept a stable Society during this time. I love the concept and really am super glad we have a welfare state in the back - even though luckily I did not need it this time personally.

Another thing that might be an emotional game changer for me is the introduction of the "Corona App" - last week the RKI (German equivalent to the CDC) has introduced an app you can install that will basically warn you when you have been in critical proximity to somebody diagnosed with Covid-19 - so you can get tested.

So... just a quick shoutout from around the world!
Guys stay healthy and safe! I really hope at least the most Basic thing you can do for the public health - wearing a mask - becomes a common sense in the US quickly and stops being a political gimic!

From what I’ve seen in Ct people have been fantastic wearing masks. But the US is 50 different states then broken into many sub cultures. It’s gonna be different every where u go. I think it’s impossible to get people to universally wear masks. It’s still best to keep your guard up to a high standard.
By the way my daughter is living in Austria learning how to speak German — very pretty country. She wants to teach English there. She already has a German boyfriend— so she’s pretty entrenched.

Austria is a very nice place! Living in Munich close to the Alps I enjoy the nature there a lot as well! :-)
Good to hear of your daughters plans and how well she does there! Wish her the best and Im sure she will always do good teaching English!

I of course understand that the US is a set of different states, culturs and of course also "risk states" regarding Corona. I view them similarily as I do Europe in many regards.
So looking into the situation here ... also each State has enacted different meassures and such based on their specific situation - this has been very clear of course when looking into the depth of the lockdown. For example in Italy and Spain during the high times ppl were literally in an "house arrest" and were only allowed to leave in VERY clear circumstances - in Germany the "harshest" that happened was that you were asked to only be outside of your house with ppl from your own family and not meet up anywhere with other or "rest somewhere for a longer periode - e.g. no bbq in parks". Yet ppl were outside jogging or for walks or whatever.
The difference was partially due to the facts that the mortality in Italy and Spain at times was horrendously high with hospitals struggling to cope with the sick as you know - while in Germany we luckily never reached this peak!

Schools were closed basically everywhere in the EU except for some countries like Sweden - which is now paying a high price for the very lax policy on Covid-19.

The one thing that basically every country has been doing was - set up rules that while in the public (shopping etc.) you have to wear a mask! And quite frankly its common sense I think - and even if you disagree that a mask will help - how is such a tiny little inconvenience even worth a battle?!?
Simple answer - its not except when you make a political statement out of it... which in turn I think is a shame when taking ppls lives at stake into account!

One thing that amazes and Shocks me in this whole Episode is the ineptitude or unwillingness of some governments to simply learn from other countries success.
Please do not think that I say this from a condescending "oh Germany did so well" perspective because there were/are things where we are quite frankly underperforming in this whole thing... but since this is a global topic we for once have the "benefit" to have a look outside our borders and see what worked for others and try to implement it - in our own ways.
This however does ask for a certain will to do so and serious demeanor on this topic which I quite frankly did not percieve in some governments...

jrodmc wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:Not until there is a vaccine which is hopefully December to February.

I don’t go to games now regardless. MSG games are way too expensive.

Agreed. I don't have to hear "second wave" 14,000 times before I decide not to take my life in my hands to watch a basketball game.

However...
Been playing pick up for the last 30 years with the same group of guys. (One of the originals died last year, but we really aren't getting any new blood). It's not like we're a clique or anything, we've actually been begging passing joggers to play when we can't get 10 guys. The park we've been using for the past 20 years has been shut down since this started; nets down, rims off, signs up. Police patrolling to ensure enforcement (they were always around pre-pandemic anyway, because residents were complaining we were starting games too early in the morning ).

A few of the group got together at a different park in the area and started playing again the past two weekends. As they just started lifting the bans in New Jersey, I was tempted to go, along with my normal major hoop jones made worse by not even having a gym to play at through the end of the winter and into spring. But I've got a 4 year old grandson and an 80-year old mother in law (easy boys, relax) with serious health issues that my wife has to care for several days a week. Both ends of the supposed susceptibility spectrum. Not really looking to have the "Sorry you're on a respirator, but I won five games in a row Saturday!" conversation with anyone, let alone my own family.

I've read they've isolated the antibodies that prevent the virus from doing any damage and replicating, but who knows how long it will be before that results in a proven vaccine? Clinical trials with something that kills can be a very long and laborious process. I'm already hearing people with conspiracy theories aplenty that the evil government will do and say anything and promote anything to get the wheels moving full speed again.

This one really is a pain for me too... since Summer is starting here now Id usually be on the court playing pick-up with different guys 2-3 times a week.
Also miss doing physical things in practise with the guys and what makes it worse is that we ususally play in a small varsity league here which would start October but at the moment I really cant imagine the leauges starting again before we have a vaccine - just does not make sense to!
So we gotta wait for some time for sure to be back in competitive mode!
Im old... for me its not thaaat bad but the guys I work/play with are in their early 20s... they have a difficult time to cope!

For me though the thing that really sucks big time is that we have planned a trip to friends in the Miami area this Xmas - booked the flights and everything... but the way this is looking we will not be able to go! :-/

I agree on the perception that many many things just will not fly until we have a vaccine!