This is a slippery slope and I'm curious to see everyone's opinion here.
Uncharted Waters.

Allanfan20 wrote:Create their own league? Is he on drugs? Am I missing something here?

-There is NOT an NBA strike.
-Kyrie said playing would distract from BLM.
-Kyrie proceeds to say make a new league.
-Kyrie is injured.
-Kyrie is NOT known for his leadership. As a matter of fact, he’s known for sorely lacking it.

With that said... who is funding this league that he’s making while the NBA is NOT striking.... therefore competing against that giant. Where is the TV revenue coming from? LOL.

THANK GOD we didn’t get this guy.

I don't have a problem with anything he's saying, he knows you have to strike while the iron's hot, because the more time passes the more social movements can fade out (it's really difficult sustaining momentum. Push for everything you can get now, you won't get a lot of it, but doubt players will ever have as much bargaining power as they do right now.

Is starting a new league realistic? No, but maybe it's time will come one day, no harm in planting some seeds now. Personally, I think players should get an ownership stake in teams or at the very least a sizeable chunk of the profits owners make when they sell the team. Will it happen? Probably not, doesn't mean you shouldn't push for it. I mean if suggested the current system whereby billionaire owners and money making teams get tax papers to pay for their arena's and get away with it, that would seem crazy!

smackeddog wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:Create their own league? Is he on drugs? Am I missing something here?

-There is NOT an NBA strike.
-Kyrie said playing would distract from BLM.
-Kyrie proceeds to say make a new league.
-Kyrie is injured.
-Kyrie is NOT known for his leadership. As a matter of fact, he’s known for sorely lacking it.

With that said... who is funding this league that he’s making while the NBA is NOT striking.... therefore competing against that giant. Where is the TV revenue coming from? LOL.

THANK GOD we didn’t get this guy.

I don't have a problem with anything he's saying, he knows you have to strike while the iron's hot, because the more time passes the more social movements can fade out (it's really difficult sustaining momentum. Push for everything you can get now, you won't get a lot of it, but doubt players will ever have as much bargaining power as they do right now. Is starting a new league realistic? No, but maybe it's time will come one day, no harm in painting some seeds now. Personally, I think players should get an ownership stake in teams or at the very least a sizeable chunk of the profits owners make when they sell the team. Will it happen? Probably not, doesn't mean you shouldn't push for it. I mean if suggested the current system whereby billionaire owners and money making teams get tax papers to pay for their arena's and get away with it, that would seem crazy!

Players negotiated the cap as form of revenue sharing. not "Profit or loss sharing". If the product the player put on the floor increases popularity of the sport and it translates to more revenue then they get to share that. Profits are a whole other story. When an owner sells their team players do not deserve any part of that if they did not invest their own capital. What if a scenario occurs a team sells for a loss? Then what?
I get the whole notion that in history team owners were racist greedy pigs and before free agency were "property" of the team or its owners. Free agency and revenue sharing has leveled the playing field.

Do Taxpayers have a say? Much of the taxes paid ae on tickets, hotel and resturants in that zone thus its a heavy use tax. It also employs a lot of people.
I do have an issue of Kyrie being a bit over reach to say players should form their own league and would like to hear his reasoning. Is to inspire self empowerment?
An player owned league means he likely don't get paid to sit out a year if hurt. Players have contracts. Start a competing league would take capital infusion that would be incredible amounts over years to build what the NBA has. I can't even begin to imagine the level of complexity a rogue league would entail that could share the type of revenue the NBA generates.
Players should be offered to make investments into teams when opportuntites arise and an ownership group has a stake for sale. They have to have the same requirements as others in the event of a capital call or if need be take on debt as some might be now. Also have no liquidity needs s teams are not like Stocks that can be sold easily.
Grant Hills I think owns a piece of the Atlanta Hawks. But rules are you can't have any ownership if your still playing for obvious reasons.

smackeddog wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:Create their own league? Is he on drugs? Am I missing something here?

-There is NOT an NBA strike.
-Kyrie said playing would distract from BLM.
-Kyrie proceeds to say make a new league.
-Kyrie is injured.
-Kyrie is NOT known for his leadership. As a matter of fact, he’s known for sorely lacking it.

With that said... who is funding this league that he’s making while the NBA is NOT striking.... therefore competing against that giant. Where is the TV revenue coming from? LOL.

THANK GOD we didn’t get this guy.

I don't have a problem with anything he's saying, he knows you have to strike while the iron's hot, because the more time passes the more social movements can fade out (it's really difficult sustaining momentum. Push for everything you can get now, you won't get a lot of it, but doubt players will ever have as much bargaining power as they do right now. Is starting a new league realistic? No, but maybe it's time will come one day, no harm in painting some seeds now. Personally, I think players should get an ownership stake in teams or at the very least a sizeable chunk of the profits owners make when they sell the team. Will it happen? Probably not, doesn't mean you shouldn't push for it. I mean if suggested the current system whereby billionaire owners and money making teams get tax papers to pay for their arena's and get away with it, that would seem crazy!

Starting your own league is a sign of segregation. There is a lack of leadership in the entire BLM movement. I think now that racial discrimination has been force to the for front because peoples lives had stopped and they now had time to witness and comprehend the BS that's been going on before any currently living human was born.

Kyrie (the world is flat) Irving comes off as a smart guy who's been miss informed about how to go about this sudden awareness, he's not a leader and is a very cynical person.

Finance the right leaders if you want change

How’s it a sign of segregation? It’s about empowerment, it’s like owning the means of production or becoming your own boss.

Thats why there's a CBA, so everything can be voted on and it's fair.

What are you going to only allow black people in that league?

I just don't think that solves the problem, not by a long shot. We need the Laws changed.

knicks1248 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:Create their own league? Is he on drugs? Am I missing something here?

-There is NOT an NBA strike.
-Kyrie said playing would distract from BLM.
-Kyrie proceeds to say make a new league.
-Kyrie is injured.
-Kyrie is NOT known for his leadership. As a matter of fact, he’s known for sorely lacking it.

With that said... who is funding this league that he’s making while the NBA is NOT striking.... therefore competing against that giant. Where is the TV revenue coming from? LOL.

THANK GOD we didn’t get this guy.

I don't have a problem with anything he's saying, he knows you have to strike while the iron's hot, because the more time passes the more social movements can fade out (it's really difficult sustaining momentum. Push for everything you can get now, you won't get a lot of it, but doubt players will ever have as much bargaining power as they do right now. Is starting a new league realistic? No, but maybe it's time will come one day, no harm in painting some seeds now. Personally, I think players should get an ownership stake in teams or at the very least a sizeable chunk of the profits owners make when they sell the team. Will it happen? Probably not, doesn't mean you shouldn't push for it. I mean if suggested the current system whereby billionaire owners and money making teams get tax papers to pay for their arena's and get away with it, that would seem crazy!

Starting your own league is a sign of segregation. There is a lack of leadership in the entire BLM movement. I think now that racial discrimination has been force to the for front because peoples lives had stopped and they now had time to witness and comprehend the BS that's been going on before any currently living human was born.

Kyrie (the world is flat) Irving comes off as a smart guy who's been miss informed about how to go about this sudden awareness, he's not a leader and is a very cynical person.

Finance the right leaders if you want change

How’s it a sign of segregation? It’s about empowerment, it’s like owning the means of production or becoming your own boss.

Thats why there's a CBA, so everything can be voted on and it's fair.

What are you going to only allow black people in that league?

I just don't think that solves the problem, not by a long shot. We need the Laws changed.

Do you think this is what Kyrie had in mind?

smackeddog wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:Create their own league? Is he on drugs? Am I missing something here?

-There is NOT an NBA strike.
-Kyrie said playing would distract from BLM.
-Kyrie proceeds to say make a new league.
-Kyrie is injured.
-Kyrie is NOT known for his leadership. As a matter of fact, he’s known for sorely lacking it.

With that said... who is funding this league that he’s making while the NBA is NOT striking.... therefore competing against that giant. Where is the TV revenue coming from? LOL.

THANK GOD we didn’t get this guy.

I don't have a problem with anything he's saying, he knows you have to strike while the iron's hot, because the more time passes the more social movements can fade out (it's really difficult sustaining momentum. Push for everything you can get now, you won't get a lot of it, but doubt players will ever have as much bargaining power as they do right now. Is starting a new league realistic? No, but maybe it's time will come one day, no harm in painting some seeds now. Personally, I think players should get an ownership stake in teams or at the very least a sizeable chunk of the profits owners make when they sell the team. Will it happen? Probably not, doesn't mean you shouldn't push for it. I mean if suggested the current system whereby billionaire owners and money making teams get tax papers to pay for their arena's and get away with it, that would seem crazy!

Starting your own league is a sign of segregation. There is a lack of leadership in the entire BLM movement. I think now that racial discrimination has been force to the for front because peoples lives had stopped and they now had time to witness and comprehend the BS that's been going on before any currently living human was born.

Kyrie (the world is flat) Irving comes off as a smart guy who's been miss informed about how to go about this sudden awareness, he's not a leader and is a very cynical person.

Finance the right leaders if you want change

How’s it a sign of segregation? It’s about empowerment, it’s like owning the means of production or becoming your own boss.

Thats why there's a CBA, so everything can be voted on and it's fair.

What are you going to only allow black people in that league?

I just don't think that solves the problem, not by a long shot. We need the Laws changed.

I think you’ve misunderstood the proposal, by “our own league” he means a league owned and controlled by players. It’s not unreasonable. It’s like if you decide one day to quit your job and set up your own business. You might take a financial hit, but you become your own boss and gain full control over everything. Lots of people do it. I set up my own private practice as I was fed up of some of my bosses and the policies I had to work under. Took a financial hit, and lost a sense of security, but it’s nice not having to put up with idiot bosses trying to make you do stuff you don’t want to do!

smackeddog wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:Create their own league? Is he on drugs? Am I missing something here?

-There is NOT an NBA strike.
-Kyrie said playing would distract from BLM.
-Kyrie proceeds to say make a new league.
-Kyrie is injured.
-Kyrie is NOT known for his leadership. As a matter of fact, he’s known for sorely lacking it.

With that said... who is funding this league that he’s making while the NBA is NOT striking.... therefore competing against that giant. Where is the TV revenue coming from? LOL.

THANK GOD we didn’t get this guy.

I don't have a problem with anything he's saying, he knows you have to strike while the iron's hot, because the more time passes the more social movements can fade out (it's really difficult sustaining momentum. Push for everything you can get now, you won't get a lot of it, but doubt players will ever have as much bargaining power as they do right now. Is starting a new league realistic? No, but maybe it's time will come one day, no harm in painting some seeds now. Personally, I think players should get an ownership stake in teams or at the very least a sizeable chunk of the profits owners make when they sell the team. Will it happen? Probably not, doesn't mean you shouldn't push for it. I mean if suggested the current system whereby billionaire owners and money making teams get tax papers to pay for their arena's and get away with it, that would seem crazy!

Starting your own league is a sign of segregation. There is a lack of leadership in the entire BLM movement. I think now that racial discrimination has been force to the for front because peoples lives had stopped and they now had time to witness and comprehend the BS that's been going on before any currently living human was born.

Kyrie (the world is flat) Irving comes off as a smart guy who's been miss informed about how to go about this sudden awareness, he's not a leader and is a very cynical person.

Finance the right leaders if you want change

How’s it a sign of segregation? It’s about empowerment, it’s like owning the means of production or becoming your own boss.

once your a free agent and no longer employed by a team and the NBA, your free to play anywhere.
in your driveway if you so choose.
I think what 1248 alludes to is the NBA is 75% black, he brings this up NOW??? Timing of this perhaps out of anger and frustration over current social discord then speaks to empowerment intent, but there is a mountain of complexity that makes little sense. In particular the money.
Is Kyrie in effect saying given that White players are a 25% minority its a "black league"? I don't know. Does the NBA encourange diverse ownership? Many teams have ownership groups comprising of a managing principle who fans often associate as "The owner". 2BILLON for a team is a big number!!! What does a entitiy buy for 2billion? Leases, branding, revenue, and the biggie is a slice of national TV contract. Big market team have bigger cable systems and bigger tv fees and pay a bigger numnber to buy them.
players have voted to play and will be paid. If not, they can strike or sit out. Then its contractual. If the union voted to not play then league will adjust revenue loss next year.