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Here's 5 trades to get Randle and his spin turnovers off the Knicks!
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NoDaysOff85
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6/14/2020  7:54 PM
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6/14/2020  8:14 PM
Since Randle seems to be the most hated Knick since Frank he is now my favorite Knick. Along with Frank.
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6/15/2020  2:12 AM
If we cant get a game changer for Randle, I'm starting to open up to the idea of just keeping him for the season maybe the new coach who ever it will be can tame Randle's turnover prone game. Maybe the key will be to bring him off the bench and just sign a starting pf (Galo or Woods) our we 2nd unit can look like Wooten(C), Randle(PF), Iggy/knox(sf), Dotson(sg), frank(pg). Could this be a decent second unit? There can be a good mix of offense and defense.
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6/15/2020  5:22 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/15/2020  5:27 AM
I don't hate Randle at all, but his (and Payton's) freezing out of RJ is not healthy for RJ's development going forward. Plus I think we need a shooter at the 4, since our backcourt is so poor at shooting. honestly, I would have preferred it if we'd given Marcus Morris the contract we gave Randle (and not signed Randle at all) and started him at PF instead (then signed his brother as back up PF/C).
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6/15/2020  8:00 AM
I don't understand the hate for Julius. It reminds me of the hate some had for Kurt Thomas, that removing him would make us better, more athletic.

The turnovers are a problem, but how are you just replacing everything else he did?

And he has one more year left of guaranteed salary, and we're heading into what will probably be a few years of declining cap.

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6/15/2020  9:01 AM

The video has its objective. Incite discussion. Its created insinuates is is the problem and his 20-10 is empty. True. He is no. 1 option in Fizdale offense. Enough said. He says how Randle does not fit but with a new coach and roster changes/schematics moving forward how can one say that?

Trade no. 1 for Oladipo. ALl the reasons why Indy won’t pay him should be a concern. Indy has Sabonis, why pay Randle 23 mil to come off the bench for one year. Dallas pick that valuable? And this is the year HS kids can come out. I want lots of picks and stash for the future. The cite Brogden as their star player. Not really. Good kid but no star.

Trade 2, Zellers value as a back up is valid. I saw Randle eat up the whole Charlotte team this season. They could not stop him.
He looked like young Willis Reed. The one from videos I never saw in person. PJ Washington is not nearly as good as Randle. I don’t hate this trade but both contracts end next season and they don’t match up. I don’t hate this trade but its illogical.

3. Swap for Aaron Gordon. Randle is a better player and for Orlando its a salary dump. Two years of Gordon who is at 18mm and then 16mm for one year of Randle at 23mm. Will need more fodder but at the core you have to see Gordon who is still young as a role going forward. Not loving the logic presented in the video but I get the jest of it but I think Orlando can do a better trade than “Randle off teh bench as potential 6h man of the year”........

4. For Gary Harris and a fist round pick. The pick won’t be a good one but they should throw in a second pick also. Its a Denver salary dump for a guy oft injured. I like the concept. Just not sure I hate Randle enough to do this.

5. Randle for Spurs combo of Mills, And change. No. I think Briggs said it best “no small for big”. Why Spurs do it? “To turn Randle into a winning player”. Nope. Knicks just turned over front office again and likely their coach. Thats their job.
Paddy MIlls is a good player on a good team. He won’t be the same on a knicks team.

I like this thought provoking video even If I don’t agree with its simple analogies and core that Randle is our problem. He is the best player on a weak team. I like him next to mitch but liked that miller took the ball out of his hands on the parimeter.

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6/15/2020  10:29 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/15/2020  11:05 AM
franco12 wrote:I don't understand the hate for Julius. It reminds me of the hate some had for Kurt Thomas, that removing him would make us better, more athletic.

The turnovers are a problem, but how are you just replacing everything else he did?

And he has one more year left of guaranteed salary, and we're heading into what will probably be a few years of declining cap.

Reminds me more of the hate for Zach Randolph, and how that blew up in our face! The issue for me is fit- I guess we're building around Mitch and RJ, so does Randle fit next to either of those? I just don't see it.

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6/15/2020  10:42 AM
smackeddog wrote:
franco12 wrote:I don't understand the hate for Julius. It reminds me of the hate some had for Kurt Thomas, that removing him would make us better, more athletic.

The turnovers are a problem, but how are you just replacing everything else he did?

And he has one more year left of guaranteed salary, and we're heading into what will probably be a few years of declining cap.

Reminds me more of the hate for Zach Randolph, and how that blew up in our face! The issue for me is fir- I guess we're building around Mitch and RJ, so does Randle fit next to either of those? I just don't see it.

that's our next coaches problem! And look, if someone new comes in and says this doesn't/can't work, ok. I get it.

But Zach is an even better comparison and he just went on to be productive for like 20 years after we traded him!

Personally, I can see him having a role and fit with the franchise moving forward. I think he was exposed somewhat as he was asked to do too much. That happens on bad teams. That's why they're bad.

He's not a #1 or 2 option, but he could be a great #3-5 on a team.

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6/15/2020  11:45 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/15/2020  11:48 PM
I saw that first suggestion for Oladipo and immediately thought it was a dumb idea; awfully lobsided in the Knicks favor. Oladipo was an all-star pre-injury which is something Randle won't ever come close to sniffing. Besides, why would the Pacers even want Randle when they already have concerns playing Sabonis and Turner together? I didn't bother to hear the other proposals if that is what he led off with.

But if we're spitballing ideas, maybe the Wolves would have interest. Towns is a garbage defender but does a fantastic job at spacing the floor, which is crucial to making Randle useful at the 4. Maybe we could do Randle and DSJr for Jarrett Culver and James Johnson's dead-money. I don't think Culver will be a talent to write-home about but he does have cost-control and is a swingman with some versatility defensively off the bench. I also think he can fit nicely with Frank and RJ if he develops a more fluid, consistent jump shot.

The real swing for the fences for me would be Devin Booker. I actually think he'd be a great foundational piece for us and very well could come available this summer once the Suns miss the playoffs. He's been predicting a playoff berth for them since his year-3 season and is now finishing year-5 without having come close. With the emergence of the Luka Doncic-Mavs and Ja Morant-Grizzlies, I don't ever see them making the playoffs unless they get another game changing talent via the draft, which is unlikely given their track record. To be fair, we're not exactly a title contender but the East offers an easier path and NYC gives him a far larger platform to build his brand. Plus he's ****ing a Kardashian, so it's clear he likes the bright lights.

My offer would be our 2020 pick, both Dallas picks, Julius Randle, Dennis Smith Jr and a sign-and-traded Damyean Dotson for Devin Booker.

I actually like how our lineup would look next season...
STARTERS: Ntilikina (G), Booker (G), Barrett (F), Knox (F), Robinson (C)
BENCH: Reggie Bullock and veterans who can shoot that we acquire with our remaining cap space.

Hopefully with Leon Rose being his former agent, the process could be fast-tracked.

Here's 5 trades to get Randle and his spin turnovers off the Knicks!

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