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smackeddog
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6/14/2020  4:29 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/14/2020  4:33 AM
Can't remember where I read it, but somewhere suggested Knicks are interested in a stretch four, and mentioned Ibaka (also Marc Gasol). Initially I was horrified, but maybe he makes sense to replace Randle if you can get him cheap (doubt there's much demand for him?). Wouldn't demand the ball, reasonable 3 pt shooter. I thought he rapidly declined and seemed washed up in Orlando, but he still seems to be going- anyone familiar with how he's been with the raptors? Is he a good defender these days?

Or his he more of a C these days? The fact he was mentioned at the same time as Gasol would indicate we're actually looking at a stretch 5
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6/14/2020  10:35 AM
Wow. Just saw this on twitter.
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6/14/2020  10:49 AM
CrushAlot wrote:Wow. Just saw this on twitter.

That’s pretty much what I expected from Marcus Morris minus the shotblocking. Certain people on this board over-rated the $hit out of him. If we can get Serge and Gallo for cheap, then I am cool with that. They would be terrific vets.

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6/14/2020  10:56 AM
Allanfan20 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:Wow. Just saw this on twitter.

That’s pretty much what I expected from Marcus Morris minus the shotblocking. Certain people on this board over-rated the $hit out of him. If we can get Serge and Gallo for cheap, then I am cool with that. They would be terrific vets.

Agreed. I am interested in the direction they go but Ibaka would be a great vet presence

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6/14/2020  11:54 AM
smackeddog wrote:Can't remember where I read it, but somewhere suggested Knicks are interested in a stretch four, and mentioned Ibaka (also Marc Gasol). Initially I was horrified, but maybe he makes sense to replace Randle if you can get him cheap (doubt there's much demand for him?). Wouldn't demand the ball, reasonable 3 pt shooter. I thought he rapidly declined and seemed washed up in Orlando, but he still seems to be going- anyone familiar with how he's been with the raptors? Is he a good defender these days?

Or his he more of a C these days? The fact he was mentioned at the same time as Gasol would indicate we're actually looking at a stretch 5

Serge is an interesting idea but it’ll be the circumstances under which the Knicks could sign him that’ll be pertinent. Next season he will be 31, so this is his last big contract. Who is going to be willing to sign him for 4 years? Figure that’s what it’ll take to get him to the Knicks. He comes off the bench for under 30 minutes right now.

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6/14/2020  2:29 PM
If Randle stops spinning in traffic, would we be happier?
No more over the prime guys and not all Vets are good teachers.
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6/14/2020  2:34 PM
Nalod wrote:If Randle stops spinning in traffic, would we be happier?
No more over the prime guys and not all Vets are good teachers.

It’s not just spinning in traffic. If he only did that sometimes then it would just be cute. His complete lack of court awareness hurts the team. The only reason he hands by a thread is because he is a monster on the boards.

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6/14/2020  2:46 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/14/2020  2:47 PM
Allanfan20 wrote:
Nalod wrote:If Randle stops spinning in traffic, would we be happier?
No more over the prime guys and not all Vets are good teachers.

It’s not just spinning in traffic. If he only did that sometimes then it would just be cute. His complete lack of court awareness hurts the team. The only reason he hands by a thread is because he is a monster on the boards.

Coming into the season he was our number one option. Not good. This kid is a monster inside.
Put Ibaka on last years knicks and see how good he looks. Put Randle at the 4 on the Raptors and I’m going to guess he looks better. Let’s not pretend we can superimpose past performance and ignore the teams they come from.
I don’t want Contract year Ibaka at age 31 on a 2-3 year deal. Don’t want any Gasol either. They should not want to be here either. This is about players who have to hit their prime, not those in the past.
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6/15/2020  12:27 PM
Nalod wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:
Nalod wrote:If Randle stops spinning in traffic, would we be happier?
No more over the prime guys and not all Vets are good teachers.

It’s not just spinning in traffic. If he only did that sometimes then it would just be cute. His complete lack of court awareness hurts the team. The only reason he hands by a thread is because he is a monster on the boards.

Coming into the season he was our number one option. Not good. This kid is a monster inside.
Put Ibaka on last years knicks and see how good he looks. Put Randle at the 4 on the Raptors and I’m going to guess he looks better. Let’s not pretend we can superimpose past performance and ignore the teams they come from.
I don’t want Contract year Ibaka at age 31 on a 2-3 year deal. Don’t want any Gasol either. They should not want to be here either. This is about players who have to hit their prime, not those in the past.

I would love to have a hard working vet that can actually play. Remember the effect Deandre Jordon had on Mitch. With so much youth, we really need some great vets on the team to help bring things together. And of course we need the hand of God to touch us in FA (and this next draft.)

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6/15/2020  2:43 PM
NotInMyHouse wrote:
Nalod wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:
Nalod wrote:If Randle stops spinning in traffic, would we be happier?
No more over the prime guys and not all Vets are good teachers.

It’s not just spinning in traffic. If he only did that sometimes then it would just be cute. His complete lack of court awareness hurts the team. The only reason he hands by a thread is because he is a monster on the boards.

Coming into the season he was our number one option. Not good. This kid is a monster inside.
Put Ibaka on last years knicks and see how good he looks. Put Randle at the 4 on the Raptors and I’m going to guess he looks better. Let’s not pretend we can superimpose past performance and ignore the teams they come from.
I don’t want Contract year Ibaka at age 31 on a 2-3 year deal. Don’t want any Gasol either. They should not want to be here either. This is about players who have to hit their prime, not those in the past.

I would love to have a hard working vet that can actually play. Remember the effect Deandre Jordon had on Mitch. With so much youth, we really need some great vets on the team to help bring things together. And of course we need the hand of God to touch us in FA (and this next draft.)


Overblown. We think the short few weeks turned Mitches career around that profound? Look at the jump he made this season.
Last year Jordan was out of shape and mailed it in. Not going to say he had a negative effect, but what about Jordans effect on Allen? He wanted the kids job. Thats not developing.........
Not evey vet is a good infulence. I don't know about Ibaka......
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6/16/2020  12:54 PM
Nalod wrote:
NotInMyHouse wrote:
Nalod wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:
Nalod wrote:If Randle stops spinning in traffic, would we be happier?
No more over the prime guys and not all Vets are good teachers.

It’s not just spinning in traffic. If he only did that sometimes then it would just be cute. His complete lack of court awareness hurts the team. The only reason he hands by a thread is because he is a monster on the boards.

Coming into the season he was our number one option. Not good. This kid is a monster inside.
Put Ibaka on last years knicks and see how good he looks. Put Randle at the 4 on the Raptors and I’m going to guess he looks better. Let’s not pretend we can superimpose past performance and ignore the teams they come from.
I don’t want Contract year Ibaka at age 31 on a 2-3 year deal. Don’t want any Gasol either. They should not want to be here either. This is about players who have to hit their prime, not those in the past.

I would love to have a hard working vet that can actually play. Remember the effect Deandre Jordon had on Mitch. With so much youth, we really need some great vets on the team to help bring things together. And of course we need the hand of God to touch us in FA (and this next draft.)


Overblown. We think the short few weeks turned Mitches career around that profound? Look at the jump he made this season.
Last year Jordan was out of shape and mailed it in. Not going to say he had a negative effect, but what about Jordans effect on Allen? He wanted the kids job. Thats not developing.........
Not evey vet is a good infulence. I don't know about Ibaka......

I was going by what Mitch and others said tbh. Many feel Mitch lost something this year - I think more regarding his defense and fouling though.
I do see your point though. In general, having a great vet can really positively affect the teams culture - that is my bigger point.

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6/16/2020  1:03 PM
NotInMyHouse wrote:
Nalod wrote:
NotInMyHouse wrote:
Nalod wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:
Nalod wrote:If Randle stops spinning in traffic, would we be happier?
No more over the prime guys and not all Vets are good teachers.

It’s not just spinning in traffic. If he only did that sometimes then it would just be cute. His complete lack of court awareness hurts the team. The only reason he hands by a thread is because he is a monster on the boards.

Coming into the season he was our number one option. Not good. This kid is a monster inside.
Put Ibaka on last years knicks and see how good he looks. Put Randle at the 4 on the Raptors and I’m going to guess he looks better. Let’s not pretend we can superimpose past performance and ignore the teams they come from.
I don’t want Contract year Ibaka at age 31 on a 2-3 year deal. Don’t want any Gasol either. They should not want to be here either. This is about players who have to hit their prime, not those in the past.

I would love to have a hard working vet that can actually play. Remember the effect Deandre Jordon had on Mitch. With so much youth, we really need some great vets on the team to help bring things together. And of course we need the hand of God to touch us in FA (and this next draft.)


Overblown. We think the short few weeks turned Mitches career around that profound? Look at the jump he made this season.
Last year Jordan was out of shape and mailed it in. Not going to say he had a negative effect, but what about Jordans effect on Allen? He wanted the kids job. Thats not developing.........
Not evey vet is a good infulence. I don't know about Ibaka......

I was going by what Mitch and others said tbh. Many feel Mitch lost something this year - I think more regarding his defense and fouling though.
I do see your point though. In general, having a great vet can really positively affect the teams culture - that is my bigger point.


I agree. Guys like Taj Gibson and Jarrett Jack, even though he sucked, seemed to have a calming, professional influence. My question is do we have to throw a lot of cap space for that? I understand if it's the final piece to a winning situation. But would serve have a have any real impact on our win total? The Knicks can't just throw money away in this financial climate.
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6/16/2020  2:40 PM
Nalod wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:
Nalod wrote:If Randle stops spinning in traffic, would we be happier?
No more over the prime guys and not all Vets are good teachers.

It’s not just spinning in traffic. If he only did that sometimes then it would just be cute. His complete lack of court awareness hurts the team. The only reason he hands by a thread is because he is a monster on the boards.

Coming into the season he was our number one option. Not good. This kid is a monster inside.
Put Ibaka on last years knicks and see how good he looks. Put Randle at the 4 on the Raptors and I’m going to guess he looks better. Let’s not pretend we can superimpose past performance and ignore the teams they come from.
I don’t want Contract year Ibaka at age 31 on a 2-3 year deal. Don’t want any Gasol either. They should not want to be here either. This is about players who have to hit their prime, not those in the past.

Perspective. Is the glass half full or half empty? Seasoned capable veteran or ageing walking injury limited skill set?

Personally Im not too high on Ibaka
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BigDaddyG wrote:
NotInMyHouse wrote:
Nalod wrote:
NotInMyHouse wrote:
Nalod wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:
Nalod wrote:If Randle stops spinning in traffic, would we be happier?
No more over the prime guys and not all Vets are good teachers.

It’s not just spinning in traffic. If he only did that sometimes then it would just be cute. His complete lack of court awareness hurts the team. The only reason he hands by a thread is because he is a monster on the boards.

Coming into the season he was our number one option. Not good. This kid is a monster inside.
Put Ibaka on last years knicks and see how good he looks. Put Randle at the 4 on the Raptors and I’m going to guess he looks better. Let’s not pretend we can superimpose past performance and ignore the teams they come from.
I don’t want Contract year Ibaka at age 31 on a 2-3 year deal. Don’t want any Gasol either. They should not want to be here either. This is about players who have to hit their prime, not those in the past.

I would love to have a hard working vet that can actually play. Remember the effect Deandre Jordon had on Mitch. With so much youth, we really need some great vets on the team to help bring things together. And of course we need the hand of God to touch us in FA (and this next draft.)


Overblown. We think the short few weeks turned Mitches career around that profound? Look at the jump he made this season.
Last year Jordan was out of shape and mailed it in. Not going to say he had a negative effect, but what about Jordans effect on Allen? He wanted the kids job. Thats not developing.........
Not evey vet is a good infulence. I don't know about Ibaka......

I was going by what Mitch and others said tbh. Many feel Mitch lost something this year - I think more regarding his defense and fouling though.
I do see your point though. In general, having a great vet can really positively affect the teams culture - that is my bigger point.


I agree. Guys like Taj Gibson and Jarrett Jack, even though he sucked, seemed to have a calming, professional influence. My question is do we have to throw a lot of cap space for that? I understand if it's the final piece to a winning situation. But would serve have a have any real impact on our win total? The Knicks can't just throw money away in this financial climate.

I think we don't need to spend a lot to get a STRONG locker room presence.
I agree with you - "if it's the final piece to a winning situations" yeah, you pay and jump at that.

I think after this next draft we are going to have to bring a bit more balance to the team regarding vet presence AND TEAM CONCEPT.
I had a mixed feeling about that earlier this year, before the trade that got us the 1st rounder from LA.

We are slowly going in the right direction though and I'm pretty happy with this. Nice to have assets for a change. Hope we don't trade them all away for a has been.

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