newyorknewyork wrote:To continue to drive home how systematic racism manifest itself.

The disparities were even greater in misdemeanor cases. White people facing misdemeanor charges were nearly 75 percent more likely than black people to have all charges carrying potential imprisonment dropped, dismissed, or reduced to lesser charges. White defendants charged with misdemeanors who had no prior criminal history were 46 percent more likely than similar black defendants to have all charges carrying a potential sentence dropped or reduced to charges that carry no potential imprisonment.

The study concluded that disparities in plea bargaining outcomes appear to be driven by cases in which defendants have no prior conviction, which “suggests that in the absence of evidence of a defendant’s recidivism risk (e.g., when there is no criminal history), prosecutors may be using race as a proxy for the defendant’s likelihood to recidivate.”

Second, racial disparities in plea bargaining outcomes are greater in cases involving misdemeanors and low-level felonies, which suggests that when the seriousness of the offense tells them little or nothing about the defendant’s propensity to commit a severe offense in the future, prosecutors may be relying on the presumption of dangerousness that has long burdened African Americans.

https://eji.org/news/research-finds-racial-disparities-in-plea-deals/

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GustavBahler wrote:"Making America Great Again."

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What? How can anyone think this is a good idea? Every day I get more appalled this country is fd.

For me, this is a perfect example of where Capitalism fails and greed takes over. There is no benefit for America here in this type of deal that I can see. Someone got paid off and let this happen, pure and simple.

Thousands of more examples, starting with non-employer tied Healthcare, free college Education, etc. These thing need and should happen but because other people profit off of them NOT happening, they don't.

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newyorknewyork wrote:To continue to drive home how systematic racism manifest itself.

The disparities were even greater in misdemeanor cases. White people facing misdemeanor charges were nearly 75 percent more likely than black people to have all charges carrying potential imprisonment dropped, dismissed, or reduced to lesser charges. White defendants charged with misdemeanors who had no prior criminal history were 46 percent more likely than similar black defendants to have all charges carrying a potential sentence dropped or reduced to charges that carry no potential imprisonment.

The study concluded that disparities in plea bargaining outcomes appear to be driven by cases in which defendants have no prior conviction, which “suggests that in the absence of evidence of a defendant’s recidivism risk (e.g., when there is no criminal history), prosecutors may be using race as a proxy for the defendant’s likelihood to recidivate.”

Second, racial disparities in plea bargaining outcomes are greater in cases involving misdemeanors and low-level felonies, which suggests that when the seriousness of the offense tells them little or nothing about the defendant’s propensity to commit a severe offense in the future, prosecutors may be relying on the presumption of dangerousness that has long burdened African Americans.

https://eji.org/news/research-finds-racial-disparities-in-plea-deals/

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This seems to be were the real battle lies. Because it almost always boils down to judgement calls. And then people claim that the "system isn't racist" due to them being judgement calls.

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https://www.cityandstateny.com/articles/policy/criminal-justice/black-buffalo-cop-stopped-another-officers-chokehold-she-was-fired

In 2006, Cariol Horne, a black Buffalo police officer, intervened when a white officer, Gregory Kwiatkowski, had a black suspect, David Mack, in a chokehold. Horne jumped on Kwiatkowski’s back to prevent him from harming Mack. In 2008, she was fired from the Buffalo Police Department for her intervention in that case and lost her pension.

Horne, who had been on the force for 19 years, was just one year away from earning her pension. The Buffalo Police Department investigated the incident and its final report said Horne’s actions put her fellow officers in danger.

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martin wrote:Never saw this before

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He said it at the very beginning. It was conveniently ignored.

This!!! People just dont listen..

Always wondered why that Seal didnt do more to remind people of that fact. Might have saved Kapernick some grief.

I've seen him interviewed before. I've seen other members of our Armed Forces speak out too. They were drowned out by the vocal minority. It was patter of the larger game plan to distract from the larger issue

Same here. I distinctly remember the interview. They even compared Kap to Chris Jackson when he would sit during the national anthem on NBA games. The right didn't care. Sitting or Kneeling.

GustavBahler wrote:https://www.yahoo.com/news/chicago-cops-broke-u-rep-191648031.html

This defiance is troubling and is the source of frustration fueling many of these riots. Instead of introspection, we have cops getting retribution and justifying their overzealous responses with more violence. They don't want the public's understanding or meaningful reform. They just want compliance.

BigDaddyG wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:https://www.yahoo.com/news/chicago-cops-broke-u-rep-191648031.html

This defiance is troubling and is the source of frustration fueling many of these riots. Instead of introspection, we have cops getting retribution and justifying their overzealous responses with more violence. They don't want the public's understanding or meaningful reform. They just want compliance.

Agree. Most of what we've seen hasnt been from security footage, but cops openly brutalizing the population in a sea of smartphones. Didnt even slow them down. They dont care this is going out globally. Now that its happening to white people in significant numbers, we might get some real change. If Trump is ousted. If not on the federal level, than locally.

BigDaddyG wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:https://www.yahoo.com/news/chicago-cops-broke-u-rep-191648031.html

This defiance is troubling and is the source of frustration fueling many of these riots. Instead of introspection, we have cops getting retribution and justifying their overzealous responses with more violence. They don't want the public's understanding or meaningful reform. They just want compliance.

Agree. Most of what we've seen hasnt been from security footage, but cops openly brutalizing the population in a sea of smartphones. Didnt even slow them down. They dont care this is going out globally. Now that its happening to white people in significant numbers, we might get some real change. If Trump is ousted. If not on the federal level, than locally.

Amen. Shows the cops were justified in hiding from the looters. Im just sorry they didnt order pizza.

For someone like myself who strongly believes there is systemic racism. These beliefs aren't due to be being black as this will be a come up for me/us. Or due to this viewpoint being passed down to me by my parents. But due to there being so much data available to prove this to be the case. Either from a step by step historical perspective. Example: Cops have been brutal towards African Americans because of black violence, gangs, hip hop culture etc... Yet historically post slavery during segregation. Before any of these things were ever a thing, police have been brutalizing African American & government have been locking up African Americans. There is no chicken or the egg here. There is a clear timeline of events. From a study, research & data collection perspective. There are so many studies that have been done breaking down similar circumstances & *choices* leading to different results and different judgement calls. With the only difference skin color.

When there is this much history and data available to back the case for systemic racism. Don't know how many debates I have gotten into when the history and data is presented. Which is usually followed by silence as there is no real rebuttal, but yet still no admitted acceptance. Granted its not human nature to change your mind on a viewpoint that someone has believed for possibly their whole life.

But my question is why such resistance to this viewpoint? African Americans only take up 14.6% of the population of America(when you count mixed 13.4% when you don't). Out of the 705 billionaires in the US only 5 of them are black or 0.0070%. In US 76% of the 18.6 million millionaires in the us are White/Caucasian. 8% are African American. Or 1.488 million millionaires. 1.488 million millionaires out of 47.8 million population of African Americans. Or 0.031% within the African American population are millionaires. Vs 14.1 million Caucasian millionaires. 14.1 million millionaires out of 197.1 million population. Or 0.071% of Caucasian within the Caucasian population are millionaires. If African American's had the same 0.071....% of its population as millionaires. Would still only be around 1.6-1.7 million millionaires. African Americans own only %7 of America's businesses. 92.6% court judges in America are Caucasian. 7.4% are mixed between Asian, Black, or Other Ethnic Groups. Wealth and positions of power are mostly dominated by Caucasians. To us African Americans, resistance of the belief that systemic exist seems like a way of keeping these type of numbers as status quo. Makes sense doesn't it? But if this isn't the case. What is driving the fear towards accepting that systemic racism has been at play? What is the belief of what will happen if systemic racism is acknowledged?

newyorknewyork wrote:The nation is and has been divided by 2 viewpoints for a while. Those that believe there is systemic racism and those that don't believe there is systemic racism. Both sides have long reach the conclusion that the rich and powerful are using divide and conquer techniques to keep us divided to maintain power and continue to funnel money to the top. But both sides are asking the other side to believe their viewpoint in order to form the unity needed to attack the corruption.

For someone like myself who strongly believes there is systemic racism. These beliefs aren't due to be being black as this will be a come up for me/us. Or due to this viewpoint being passed down to me by my parents. But due to there being so much data available to prove this to be the case. Either from a step by step historical perspective. Example: Cops have been brutal towards African Americans because of black violence, gangs, hip hop culture etc... Yet historically post slavery during segregation. Before any of these things were ever a thing, police have been brutalizing African American & government have been locking up African Americans. There is no chicken or the egg here. There is a clear timeline of events. From a study, research & data collection perspective. There are so many studies that have been done breaking down similar circumstances & *choices* leading to different results and different judgement calls. With the only difference skin color.

When there is this much history and data available to back the case for systemic racism. Don't know how many debates I have gotten into when the history and data is presented. Which is usually followed by silence as there is no real rebuttal, but yet still no admitted acceptance. Granted its not human nature to change your mind on a viewpoint that someone has believed for possibly their whole life.

But my question is why such resistance to this viewpoint? African Americans only take up 14.6% of the population of America(when you count mixed 13.4% when you don't). Out of the 705 billionaires in the US only 5 of them are black or 0.0070%. In US 76% of the 18.6 million millionaires in the us are White/Caucasian. 8% are African American. Or 1.488 million millionaires. 1.488 million millionaires out of 47.8 million population of African Americans. Or 0.031% within the African American population are millionaires. Vs 14.1 million Caucasian millionaires. 14.1 million millionaires out of 197.1 million population. Or 0.071% of Caucasian within the Caucasian population are millionaires. If African American's had the same 0.071....% of its population as millionaires. Would still only be around 1.6-1.7 million millionaires. African Americans own only %7 of America's businesses. 92.6% court judges in America are Caucasian. 7.4% are mixed between Asian, Black, or Other Ethnic Groups. Wealth and positions of power are mostly dominated by Caucasians. To us African Americans, resistance of the belief that systemic exist seems like a way of keeping these type of numbers as status quo. Makes sense doesn't it? But if this isn't the case. What is driving the fear towards accepting that systemic racism has been at play? What is the belief of what will happen if systemic racism is acknowledged?

I do not understand what Caucasian means.
As a man who grow up in Europe I understand nations and nationalities.
I am Jewish, my neighbors Indian, Chinese, Pols, Filipino, Cubans, Nigerians, Iranians, or local Americans who do not associate themselves with nation of their descent.
The American way of categorizing people by some arbitrary groups of Asians, Africans, African Americans, Latinos, Caucasian, etc. is total boolsht to me.
Statistic made up out of this piece of work is just... another piece of work.
Hate is hate regardless of it being directed as people of specific color, religion, nationality, or any other distinction.
Going back to systemic racism you are talking about I want to clarify the basics first.
It is against specifically African Americans (descendants of people brought to America as slaves), or people of African race (including new emigrants from Africa countries and Caribbean), or against any so called color people, or against people who are not from Europe, or not Christians, or whatever else?
There are tens of millions of citizens in this country who cannot even distinguish who is AA and who is African or Caribbean emigrant.
Are Jews and Arabs Caucasians? Are emigrants from Brazil who are 100% descendants of Spaniards Latinos or Caucasians? And so on...
Who is the idiot who come up with this strange nonsense?