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5/11/2020  2:15 AM    LAST EDITED: 5/11/2020  2:19 AM
https://www.yardbarker.com/nba/articles/nba_teams_eager_to_trade_big_contracts_due_to_covid_19_pandemic/s1_12680_31955792

Which Stars might become available this off season via trade because of the lower salary cap/ economic situation?

Also what should the Knicks strategy be if Stars do become available?

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GT2AM wrote:https://www.yardbarker.com/nba/articles/nba_teams_eager_to_trade_big_contracts_due_to_covid_19_pandemic/s1_12680_31955792

Which Stars might become available this off season via trade because of the lower salary cap/ economic situation?

Also what should the Knicks strategy be if Stars do become available?

Remember team have to spend 90% of the cap, so work out what the cap will be and see what teams are way over 90%

I bet Golden state are bitterly regretting trading for Wiggins (which was pretty bad even at the time), just the salaries of Green, Curry, Thompson and Wiggins locks them into over $130mil next 2 seasons- AND Curry then needs re-signing, so really they're locked in for that for at least the next 3 seasons. Add in other roster spots plus drafted players and they are stuffed. Does maybe increase the chances they'll trade they first pick this year (if it's number 1 it would add another $10mil+, if they trade down to 6th or lower I reduces that figure by half.)

Sixers are majorly screwed also- over $147mil next season, and even in 3 seasons they're at over $130mil. Harris and Horford they'd probably want to move, but they're essentially untraceable (they were before this virus). Maybe they end up having to shift Embiid or Simmons for cap relief and cheaper younger players/high picks. Josh Richardson is more moveable at $10mil for 2 seasons.

Nets payroll is also not good.

OKC would probably like to get rid of CP3 or Adams (Adams will be expiring at $27mil, shouldn't be too difficult to shift)

Blazers will probably want rid of Ariza's expiring $12mil

Magic's salary is bad for next season (over $130mil), they'll be looking to shed either Gordon (2 years at $18mil), Fournier ($17mil), Ross (3 years $13.5mil per) or Aminu (2 years $9.5mil)

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5/11/2020  10:08 AM
I don’t see anyway the Nets can bring Harris back. The Prince extension looks really bad for them as well. The hiring of Aller could really pay dividends in this unique market.
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I'm glad we're well positioned. I hope we don't do anything stupid like trade for Chris Paul.

What stars are going to be available? I see players that were overpaid before, and with the cap likely lower for the next several seasons, these players are even worst.

I think we need to focus more than ever on developing our own players. Looking at a players like Dotson, Trier - they are the players we need to take next steps and find a way to pay them cheap.

And then the one player I had hoped to land - Fred Van Vleet - I don't know that I am in the max him at any cost boat anymore. I think I'm drafting PGs at every spot in the draft, hoping one becomes serviceable.

I'm also thinking retaining Payton long term might be the best bet.

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smackeddog wrote:
GT2AM wrote:https://www.yardbarker.com/nba/articles/nba_teams_eager_to_trade_big_contracts_due_to_covid_19_pandemic/s1_12680_31955792

Which Stars might become available this off season via trade because of the lower salary cap/ economic situation?

Also what should the Knicks strategy be if Stars do become available?

Remember team have to spend 90% of the cap, so work out what the cap will be and see what teams are way over 90%

I bet Golden state are bitterly regretting trading for Wiggins (which was pretty bad even at the time), just the salaries of Green, Curry, Thompson and Wiggins locks them into over $130mil next 2 seasons- AND Curry then needs re-signing, so really they're locked in for that for at least the next 3 seasons. Add in other roster spots plus drafted players and they are stuffed. Does maybe increase the chances they'll trade they first pick this year (if it's number 1 it would add another $10mil+, if they trade down to 6th or lower I reduces that figure by half.)

Sixers are majorly screwed also- over $147mil next season, and even in 3 seasons they're at over $130mil. Harris and Horford they'd probably want to move, but they're essentially untraceable (they were before this virus). Maybe they end up having to shift Embiid or Simmons for cap relief and cheaper younger players/high picks. Josh Richardson is more moveable at $10mil for 2 seasons.

Nets payroll is also not good.

OKC would probably like to get rid of CP3 or Adams (Adams will be expiring at $27mil, shouldn't be too difficult to shift)

Blazers will probably want rid of Ariza's expiring $12mil

Magic's salary is bad for next season (over $130mil), they'll be looking to shed either Gordon (2 years at $18mil), Fournier ($17mil), Ross (3 years $13.5mil per) or Aminu (2 years $9.5mil)

"Bitterly regretting" might be a tough statement. The trade:

The Warriors have acquired Andrew Wiggins, a 2021 first round draft pick (top 3 protected), and a 2021 second round draft pick from the Timberwolves in exchange for Jacob Evans III, D’Angelo Russell, and Omari Spellman.

Given Russells big contract might they have done better post Covid and all that goes with it? I think your seeing Wiggins as the same player as he was in Minny. Pehraps GSW felt wiggins who is just 24 might fulfil part of his upside being in a less toxic environment than Minny PLUS the draft pick for next year on top of this years high lottery pick gives them the abilty to trade Wiggins plus those two picks for a high quality starter adding to a healthy Steph, Green and Clay?
That might get them back into contention next year.

If they see Wiggins potential as Russell, then they basically got the same player and a nice 1st round pick for next year. I don't have an opinion on wiggins or why he has not flourished YET.
Minny needed to placate KAT and GSW knew they could get a premium for Russell.

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5/11/2020  1:01 PM
Nalod wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
GT2AM wrote:https://www.yardbarker.com/nba/articles/nba_teams_eager_to_trade_big_contracts_due_to_covid_19_pandemic/s1_12680_31955792

Which Stars might become available this off season via trade because of the lower salary cap/ economic situation?

Also what should the Knicks strategy be if Stars do become available?

Remember team have to spend 90% of the cap, so work out what the cap will be and see what teams are way over 90%

I bet Golden state are bitterly regretting trading for Wiggins (which was pretty bad even at the time), just the salaries of Green, Curry, Thompson and Wiggins locks them into over $130mil next 2 seasons- AND Curry then needs re-signing, so really they're locked in for that for at least the next 3 seasons. Add in other roster spots plus drafted players and they are stuffed. Does maybe increase the chances they'll trade they first pick this year (if it's number 1 it would add another $10mil+, if they trade down to 6th or lower I reduces that figure by half.)

Sixers are majorly screwed also- over $147mil next season, and even in 3 seasons they're at over $130mil. Harris and Horford they'd probably want to move, but they're essentially untraceable (they were before this virus). Maybe they end up having to shift Embiid or Simmons for cap relief and cheaper younger players/high picks. Josh Richardson is more moveable at $10mil for 2 seasons.

Nets payroll is also not good.

OKC would probably like to get rid of CP3 or Adams (Adams will be expiring at $27mil, shouldn't be too difficult to shift)

Blazers will probably want rid of Ariza's expiring $12mil

Magic's salary is bad for next season (over $130mil), they'll be looking to shed either Gordon (2 years at $18mil), Fournier ($17mil), Ross (3 years $13.5mil per) or Aminu (2 years $9.5mil)

"Bitterly regretting" might be a tough statement. The trade:

The Warriors have acquired Andrew Wiggins, a 2021 first round draft pick (top 3 protected), and a 2021 second round draft pick from the Timberwolves in exchange for Jacob Evans III, D’Angelo Russell, and Omari Spellman.

Given Russells big contract might they have done better post Covid and all that goes with it? I think your seeing Wiggins as the same player as he was in Minny. Pehraps GSW felt wiggins who is just 24 might fulfil part of his upside being in a less toxic environment than Minny PLUS the draft pick for next year on top of this years high lottery pick gives them the abilty to trade Wiggins plus those two picks for a high quality starter adding to a healthy Steph, Green and Clay?
That might get them back into contention next year.

If they see Wiggins potential as Russell, then they basically got the same player and a nice 1st round pick for next year. I don't have an opinion on wiggins or why he has not flourished YET.
Minny needed to placate KAT and GSW knew they could get a premium for Russell.

I'm seeing Wiggins as 3 more years at over $30mil per. If Twolves make the playoffs or are better next season (hey, crazy things can happen), that could end up being a mid first. It's going to greatly impact what the warriors can do going forward and could cost them a fortune depending on how the league finances are hit and managed.

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5/11/2020  1:18 PM
smackeddog wrote:
Nalod wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
GT2AM wrote:https://www.yardbarker.com/nba/articles/nba_teams_eager_to_trade_big_contracts_due_to_covid_19_pandemic/s1_12680_31955792

Which Stars might become available this off season via trade because of the lower salary cap/ economic situation?

Also what should the Knicks strategy be if Stars do become available?

Remember team have to spend 90% of the cap, so work out what the cap will be and see what teams are way over 90%

I bet Golden state are bitterly regretting trading for Wiggins (which was pretty bad even at the time), just the salaries of Green, Curry, Thompson and Wiggins locks them into over $130mil next 2 seasons- AND Curry then needs re-signing, so really they're locked in for that for at least the next 3 seasons. Add in other roster spots plus drafted players and they are stuffed. Does maybe increase the chances they'll trade they first pick this year (if it's number 1 it would add another $10mil+, if they trade down to 6th or lower I reduces that figure by half.)

Sixers are majorly screwed also- over $147mil next season, and even in 3 seasons they're at over $130mil. Harris and Horford they'd probably want to move, but they're essentially untraceable (they were before this virus). Maybe they end up having to shift Embiid or Simmons for cap relief and cheaper younger players/high picks. Josh Richardson is more moveable at $10mil for 2 seasons.

Nets payroll is also not good.

OKC would probably like to get rid of CP3 or Adams (Adams will be expiring at $27mil, shouldn't be too difficult to shift)

Blazers will probably want rid of Ariza's expiring $12mil

Magic's salary is bad for next season (over $130mil), they'll be looking to shed either Gordon (2 years at $18mil), Fournier ($17mil), Ross (3 years $13.5mil per) or Aminu (2 years $9.5mil)

"Bitterly regretting" might be a tough statement. The trade:

The Warriors have acquired Andrew Wiggins, a 2021 first round draft pick (top 3 protected), and a 2021 second round draft pick from the Timberwolves in exchange for Jacob Evans III, D’Angelo Russell, and Omari Spellman.

Given Russells big contract might they have done better post Covid and all that goes with it? I think your seeing Wiggins as the same player as he was in Minny. Pehraps GSW felt wiggins who is just 24 might fulfil part of his upside being in a less toxic environment than Minny PLUS the draft pick for next year on top of this years high lottery pick gives them the abilty to trade Wiggins plus those two picks for a high quality starter adding to a healthy Steph, Green and Clay?
That might get them back into contention next year.

If they see Wiggins potential as Russell, then they basically got the same player and a nice 1st round pick for next year. I don't have an opinion on wiggins or why he has not flourished YET.
Minny needed to placate KAT and GSW knew they could get a premium for Russell.

I'm seeing Wiggins as 3 more years at over $30mil per. If Twolves make the playoffs or are better next season (hey, crazy things can happen), that could end up being a mid first. It's going to greatly impact what the warriors can do going forward and could cost them a fortune depending on how the league finances are hit and managed.


Also, if Russell keeps KAT in Minny he is worth the money.
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You points are reasonable. The big if is Wiggins performance stepping on the court with two HOF’s and Green. not that we ever saw a full roster with Russell but at 6-7 Wiggins gives them PG Steph with Klay and Wiggins.
Wiggins play (if they keep him) to me is the x-factor of the trade. The pick is the sweetener. If Wiggins is not elevated by them then the pick becomes important. The west is changing but Minny as a playoff team where PHX and Sac on the rise, Utah solid, Clips, Lakes and or course GSW back formidable with Nuggets, Pelicans, Mav’s, all substantial. Can the spurs really be the worst team out west? Are the Wolves really that much better with Russell? Pick is top three protected. My guess is the vacuum of playing with two HOF’s and an all start PF who passes might prove to be a hell of a thing for GSW and Wiggins. The Probability of Wolves making playoffs are slim. Easy to say as they are second worst out west this year but your points are good!
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Nalod wrote:You points are reasonable. The big if is Wiggins performance stepping on the court with two HOF’s and Green. not that we ever saw a full roster with Russell but at 6-7 Wiggins gives them PG Steph with Klay and Wiggins.
Wiggins play (if they keep him) to me is the x-factor of the trade. The pick is the sweetener. If Wiggins is not elevated by them then the pick becomes important. The west is changing but Minny as a playoff team where PHX and Sac on the rise, Utah solid, Clips, Lakes and or course GSW back formidable with Nuggets, Pelicans, Mav’s, all substantial. Can the spurs really be the worst team out west? Are the Wolves really that much better with Russell? Pick is top three protected. My guess is the vacuum of playing with two HOF’s and an all start PF who passes might prove to be a hell of a thing for GSW and Wiggins. The Probability of Wolves making playoffs are slim. Easy to say as they are second worst out west this year but your points are good!

If Wiggins can give them the scoring Barnes gave them before KD, which I think he can do, they'll be fine. They'll have to find a piecemeal way to play wing defenders, but that is something that can be addressed through waivers, buy-outs etc. The Warriors have that new arena and they have to put a quality product out there.

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BigDaddyG wrote:
Nalod wrote:You points are reasonable. The big if is Wiggins performance stepping on the court with two HOF’s and Green. not that we ever saw a full roster with Russell but at 6-7 Wiggins gives them PG Steph with Klay and Wiggins.
Wiggins play (if they keep him) to me is the x-factor of the trade. The pick is the sweetener. If Wiggins is not elevated by them then the pick becomes important. The west is changing but Minny as a playoff team where PHX and Sac on the rise, Utah solid, Clips, Lakes and or course GSW back formidable with Nuggets, Pelicans, Mav’s, all substantial. Can the spurs really be the worst team out west? Are the Wolves really that much better with Russell? Pick is top three protected. My guess is the vacuum of playing with two HOF’s and an all start PF who passes might prove to be a hell of a thing for GSW and Wiggins. The Probability of Wolves making playoffs are slim. Easy to say as they are second worst out west this year but your points are good!

If Wiggins can give them the scoring Barnes gave them before KD, which I think he can do, they'll be fine. They'll have to find a piecemeal way to play wing defenders, but that is something that can be addressed through waivers, buy-outs etc. The Warriors have that new arena and they have to put a quality product out there.

Warriors did fantastic at the gate for years while not having a great product. This new arena is a different crib though I agree. I can't say this is the sure fire championship teams with their trio of allstars but they at least got something in return for Durant and while fair value, they paid Nothing to obtain. Wiggins is 24. To put it in perspective in "Knick years" thats 4 years older than Frank and nearly 5 years older than Knox!

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Add the Kings to the list:

Kings Could Lose Tens Of Millions Of Dollars In Uninsured Refund Requests

The Sacramento Kings are bracing for what might be tens of millions of dollars in uninsured losses, sources tell the Sacramento Bee.

The stoppage in NBA play and live events at Golden 1 Center is having a “tremendous impact to the bottom line,” saying “over half of the team’s revenue is generated from hosting ticketed events in the arena.”

The Kings' new policy will apparently make refunds available for all tickets whether games are officially canceled or not.

The Kings said they intend to communicate the following to ticket holders via email by May 18: “While we await more information from the league regarding the 2019-20 season, it is our commitment to provide flexible options to ticket holders regarding impacted games. Tickets already purchased for a postponed Kings home game are eligible to be credited towards the 2020-21 season or a refund is available upon request.”

https://www.sacbee.com/sports/nba/sacramento-kings/article242639251.html

Remember they were looking to pay out for Bogdanovic. Contracts they might look to shift:

Bjelica (one more year at $7mil)
Corey Joseph (two more years at $12mil per)
Buddy Hield (4 more years, depending from $26mil)

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Maybe we can get Penny Hardaway and Steve Francis if we play our cards right
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5/12/2020  7:14 AM    LAST EDITED: 5/12/2020  7:15 AM
No way to know what will happen until a number is put out. I heard scenario where the smooth the cap and go to 107 mil and others where they go down to 100 mil. Both of those are different scenarios and would need to be approached differently. If the cap goes down to 107 the Knicks could maybe take on some salary for a draft pick, if the cap goes down to 100 mil a couple of teams are going to try and trade good players and send multiple assets to do it.
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smackeddog wrote:Add the Kings to the list:

Kings Could Lose Tens Of Millions Of Dollars In Uninsured Refund Requests

The Sacramento Kings are bracing for what might be tens of millions of dollars in uninsured losses, sources tell the Sacramento Bee.

The stoppage in NBA play and live events at Golden 1 Center is having a “tremendous impact to the bottom line,” saying “over half of the team’s revenue is generated from hosting ticketed events in the arena.”

The Kings' new policy will apparently make refunds available for all tickets whether games are officially canceled or not.

The Kings said they intend to communicate the following to ticket holders via email by May 18: “While we await more information from the league regarding the 2019-20 season, it is our commitment to provide flexible options to ticket holders regarding impacted games. Tickets already purchased for a postponed Kings home game are eligible to be credited towards the 2020-21 season or a refund is available upon request.”

https://www.sacbee.com/sports/nba/sacramento-kings/article242639251.html

Remember they were looking to pay out for Bogdanovic. Contracts they might look to shift:

Bjelica (one more year at $7mil)
Corey Joseph (two more years at $12mil per)
Buddy Hield (4 more years, depending from $26mil)

I love Buddy Hield. Solid shooter/scorer. He really might become available because the Kings were reluctant to pay him last summer. They might want to get rid of his salary and might not demand too much if they could get a draft pick.

The FO needs to carefully evaluate the market. If a small market team is looking to cut salary, there are going to be some opportunities to get a solid player for cheap. They just have to make wise decisions and not merely go name hunting for mediocre talent.

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TheGame wrote:
smackeddog wrote:Add the Kings to the list:

Kings Could Lose Tens Of Millions Of Dollars In Uninsured Refund Requests

The Sacramento Kings are bracing for what might be tens of millions of dollars in uninsured losses, sources tell the Sacramento Bee.

The stoppage in NBA play and live events at Golden 1 Center is having a “tremendous impact to the bottom line,” saying “over half of the team’s revenue is generated from hosting ticketed events in the arena.”

The Kings' new policy will apparently make refunds available for all tickets whether games are officially canceled or not.

The Kings said they intend to communicate the following to ticket holders via email by May 18: “While we await more information from the league regarding the 2019-20 season, it is our commitment to provide flexible options to ticket holders regarding impacted games. Tickets already purchased for a postponed Kings home game are eligible to be credited towards the 2020-21 season or a refund is available upon request.”

https://www.sacbee.com/sports/nba/sacramento-kings/article242639251.html

Remember they were looking to pay out for Bogdanovic. Contracts they might look to shift:

Bjelica (one more year at $7mil)
Corey Joseph (two more years at $12mil per)
Buddy Hield (4 more years, depending from $26mil)

I love Buddy Hield. Solid shooter/scorer. He really might become available because the Kings were reluctant to pay him last summer. They might want to get rid of his salary and might not demand too much if they could get a draft pick.

The FO needs to carefully evaluate the market. If a small market team is looking to cut salary, there are going to be some opportunities to get a solid player for cheap. They just have to make wise decisions and not merely go name hunting for mediocre talent.


Isn't Buddy like 35 years old lol Seriously, I like Buddy and have him on tier 2. Not really a star, but will make enough screw up the cap. I think I'd rather have Bogdonavic if possible.
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5/12/2020  12:51 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
TheGame wrote:
smackeddog wrote:Add the Kings to the list:

Kings Could Lose Tens Of Millions Of Dollars In Uninsured Refund Requests

The Sacramento Kings are bracing for what might be tens of millions of dollars in uninsured losses, sources tell the Sacramento Bee.

The stoppage in NBA play and live events at Golden 1 Center is having a “tremendous impact to the bottom line,” saying “over half of the team’s revenue is generated from hosting ticketed events in the arena.”

The Kings' new policy will apparently make refunds available for all tickets whether games are officially canceled or not.

The Kings said they intend to communicate the following to ticket holders via email by May 18: “While we await more information from the league regarding the 2019-20 season, it is our commitment to provide flexible options to ticket holders regarding impacted games. Tickets already purchased for a postponed Kings home game are eligible to be credited towards the 2020-21 season or a refund is available upon request.”

https://www.sacbee.com/sports/nba/sacramento-kings/article242639251.html

Remember they were looking to pay out for Bogdanovic. Contracts they might look to shift:

Bjelica (one more year at $7mil)
Corey Joseph (two more years at $12mil per)
Buddy Hield (4 more years, depending from $26mil)

I love Buddy Hield. Solid shooter/scorer. He really might become available because the Kings were reluctant to pay him last summer. They might want to get rid of his salary and might not demand too much if they could get a draft pick.

The FO needs to carefully evaluate the market. If a small market team is looking to cut salary, there are going to be some opportunities to get a solid player for cheap. They just have to make wise decisions and not merely go name hunting for mediocre talent.


Isn't Buddy like 35 years old lol Seriously, I like Buddy and have him on tier 2. Not really a star, but will make enough screw up the cap. I think I'd rather have Bogdonavic if possible.

He's older than you think he should be! I think 27. Joe Harris is 28. I just want a reliable shooter on the team!

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5/12/2020  5:19 PM
This also could lead to opportunities to sign rfas to contracts teams might not match because of the uncertain cap. The Knicks might want to take a run at Ingram.
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5/12/2020  10:22 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/12/2020  10:31 PM
CrushAlot wrote:This also could lead to opportunities to sign rfas to contracts teams might not match because of the uncertain cap. The Knicks might want to take a run at Ingram.

Ingram would definitely be an upgrade at SF, and he is young. Not sure the Pelicans would let him go but he is definitely someone we should consider. Maybe a deal could be worked out on a sign and trade with us offering Knox, Trier, and some draft picks. Ingram would have to want to come here though for it to work because a straight trade would probably cost us more assets than we would want to give up. Ingram though would demand the max. That move would probably force us to trade Randall at some point, which might not be a bad thing.

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5/13/2020  3:14 AM    LAST EDITED: 5/13/2020  3:15 AM
TheGame wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:This also could lead to opportunities to sign rfas to contracts teams might not match because of the uncertain cap. The Knicks might want to take a run at Ingram.

Ingram would definitely be an upgrade at SF, and he is young. Not sure the Pelicans would let him go but he is definitely someone we should consider. Maybe a deal could be worked out on a sign and trade with us offering Knox, Trier, and some draft picks. Ingram would have to want to come here though for it to work because a straight trade would probably cost us more assets than we would want to give up. Ingram though would demand the max. That move would probably force us to trade Randall at some point, which might not be a bad thing.

The Pelicans have other young players that will need to be extended. Lonzo Ball next year. The Knicks can add a poison pill to the fourth year, the same year Zion becomes a RFA. They'd have to extend Zion and that might put them in the luxury tax. There is a possibility the Pelicans pass on Ingram if pushed.

If it's a sign and trade and we have to give up assets for Ingram, as well as money, is this worth it? Is Ingram one of the Stars we should look to build around?

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5/15/2020  1:52 PM
Would ATL be willing to swap John Collins for Randle if we ate Dedmons contract?

Randle would resign for less than the max that Collins is looking for. On top of cutting 26mil over 2 yrs from Dedmond as they already have Capela to soak of those mins.

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