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BRIGGS
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5/4/2020  12:05 AM    LAST EDITED: 5/4/2020  12:07 AM
It’s a team with a great deal of size. They have 1 great scoring 7 footer and the other three are complimentary players.
They play 10-11 players EVERY game and no one avg more than 30 minutes. They have 1 great volume 3 point shooter and a few reasonable complimentary guys.
They lead the league in Fg% and points BUT only 16 in 3 point shooting — not bad but it shows just how efficient the rest of the team is. Besides having a great player they play two big players all game— like the SPURS used to do— same type of formula from a Former Spur coach
All the same
Ply more players give more rest
Play big all the time but have the 3 point shooting to blend in.
Good efficient role players abd two good pgs( not great but solid good)

For me I see an avenue KEEPING M Robinson and ADDING two more bigs maybe 1-2 3 point shooters abd or 1-2 Pgs. This is the year we can get the bigs— the Avenue is open. But we have enough draft assets to add an additional 3 point shooter abd a ph out of the draft.

I don’t want to over focus my main draft assets on a pg if we get 3-6-7. ThTs too much capital. I think you have some solid pieces that will take time abd will eat up our big asset— thT means we have another developmental guard— that’s ok at 25-38 but gd darn it I don’t want another frank situation. Frank has to step up and he’s got a chance.

We have to get smart as an organization. Go BIG like the Vucks when everyone else is trying to go small. Become great at efficient fg% by taking better shots. Stay away from players like Kevin Knox — who might be a great worker but has no pro niche. Stay away from fundamentally flawed players like Smith etc.. focus on BIG players 1-2 guys who can really shoot it from 3 and 2-3 pigs who can compliment with team play.
We don’t need thrill players. We don’t need Randles( although we may use him as a 6th man next year)
We need an efficient scoring big— that’s why I’m hot on wiseman and woods( better both) and then maybe smith or another big in the draft if that’s what presents. If lucky up top then we have Knox future picks abd two additional picks to improve.
I’m not scared of going young — I’m scared of going young with no reasonable plan. A plan that I laid out is reasonable. Go BIG like the Spurs—like the Bucks when everyone else simply can’t match it. Have complimentary players. There’s only 1 Lebron one Mj one Kobe and none of these draft players are close.
We can get much better here or we can be f stupid as we have been. Direction direction direction .

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5/4/2020  12:20 AM
Good stuff but I'd like to think the front office set the table for the Knicks to be good again. We have the Bucks and the cap set up to do it. Now it's about getting lucky and opportunistic.... it's about time for the next great Knicks team to surface
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5/4/2020  12:47 AM
Easier said than done. The majority of players in the league are fundamentally flawed until they're not. Giannis, Jimmy Butler...heck, LeBron had flaws. I look at the Spurs and they have a system. But the beauty of the system is that they were able to incorporate players of varying abilities into a coherent team system. The Spurs have been many different things under Pop. I agree, go big or small, you need an identity in place. But you also need to ensure flexibility to incorporate the talent that's in place. I hope we get there.
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BRIGGS
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5/4/2020  1:13 AM    LAST EDITED: 5/4/2020  1:22 AM
EnySpree wrote:Good stuff but I'd like to think the front office set the table for the Knicks to be good again. We have the Bucks and the cap set up to do it. Now it's about getting lucky and opportunistic.... it's about time for the next great Knicks team to surface

We had 75 mm$ and multiple draft picks last year. The best thing that happened for the team was Barrett but like mentioned above he comes with flaw as well.
System— that’s right! Tine for us to finally build our own.Since we have Mitch in place max cap money ( with free agent available unrestricted) and other draft picks and assets — we have a great chance to get better.

I didn’t like when I heard let’s throw the money at victor olapudo or let’s get chris paul( at 35/36)
No more of that!!!!! It does not work

Going back to free agency — u over pay in free agency whether perceived or not— do whatever it is.

This is it. Starts now. Sorry no more time to develop Kevin Knox — u don’t fit in. U don’t do what u have to do u don’t play. Kevin can find his way into the top 10-11 but for now he’s got to earn it.

Keep mike Miller for another year or hire someone cheap for 2 yr contract from spurs or bucks

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5/4/2020  10:52 AM
It's hard to use the Bucks as a blueprint for how to build a franchise. They're successful because they were lucky enough to land Giannis. The rest of the team is built around him and caters to his abilities.
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5/4/2020  11:59 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
EnySpree wrote:Good stuff but I'd like to think the front office set the table for the Knicks to be good again. We have the Bucks and the cap set up to do it. Now it's about getting lucky and opportunistic.... it's about time for the next great Knicks team to surface

We had 75 mm$ and multiple draft picks last year. The best thing that happened for the team was Barrett but like mentioned above he comes with flaw as well.
System— that’s right! Tine for us to finally build our own.Since we have Mitch in place max cap money ( with free agent available unrestricted) and other draft picks and assets — we have a great chance to get better.

I didn’t like when I heard let’s throw the money at victor olapudo or let’s get chris paul( at 35/36)
No more of that!!!!! It does not work

Going back to free agency — u over pay in free agency whether perceived or not— do whatever it is.

This is it. Starts now. Sorry no more time to develop Kevin Knox — u don’t fit in. U don’t do what u have to do u don’t play. Kevin can find his way into the top 10-11 but for now he’s got to earn it.

Keep mike Miller for another year or hire someone cheap for 2 yr contract from spurs or bucks

You want to keep miller so we don't look like a dysfunctional franchises that run through coaches.

miller imo did not do a good enough job to remain as the head coach, he obviously did a better job then fiz, but thats like saying the turtle was faster than the snail.

I'm not opposed to keeping miller as an assistant

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5/4/2020  12:36 PM
They are hiring Thibs. CP3 was a stretch, but Thibs is too much smoke to not happen.
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5/4/2020  12:43 PM
elmaestro33 wrote:It's hard to use the Bucks as a blueprint for how to build a franchise. They're successful because they were lucky enough to land Giannis. The rest of the team is built around him and caters to his abilities.

We will see what’s available I guess. Playing two big seems like a smart avenue for us because we have Mitch Robinson in place. We have a scoring wing in place. Now we need a scoring big three point shooting and complimentary Pgs. If it was me I think I’ve changed opinion on our draft capital. I believe either quality scoring big— wiseman up top— look at tobbin then I’m on to bey and nesmith ( 3 pt shooting) and I’ll leave other capital for pg. Pritchard Kira lewis etc.. I’m not sure a developmental pg at 3 6-7 is the way to go. We already spent that money with frank and traded for d smith. This is still gonna take 2-3 years unfortunately

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5/4/2020  1:20 PM
Giannis Rookie year:
6.8ppg/ 4.4 rpg/ 1.9 apg in 24.6 mpg
Giannis second year:
12.7ppg/ 6.7rpg/ 2.6 apg in 31.4 mpg


RJ:
14.3ppg/ 5rpg/ 2.6 apg in 30.4mpg

How can u say RJ won't improve dramatically in year 2 and beyond? Maybe he muscles up even more and becomes unstoppable when driving to the lane?

We might have our franchise piece in RJ

knicks1248
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5/4/2020  3:22 PM
ankurk wrote:Giannis Rookie year:
6.8ppg/ 4.4 rpg/ 1.9 apg in 24.6 mpg
Giannis second year:
12.7ppg/ 6.7rpg/ 2.6 apg in 31.4 mpg


RJ:
14.3ppg/ 5rpg/ 2.6 apg in 30.4mpg

How can u say RJ won't improve dramatically in year 2 and beyond? Maybe he muscles up even more and becomes unstoppable when driving to the lane?

We might have our franchise piece in RJ

Tell me if this dont sound familier

In Gannis first season they had a awful coach in Larry Drew (won 15 games) and had 7 Forwards on that ridiculous unbalance roster.

Rj wont be good unless you put the right guys around him and the right coach, his development will be slow if you don't

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5/4/2020  3:33 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
ankurk wrote:Giannis Rookie year:
6.8ppg/ 4.4 rpg/ 1.9 apg in 24.6 mpg
Giannis second year:
12.7ppg/ 6.7rpg/ 2.6 apg in 31.4 mpg


RJ:
14.3ppg/ 5rpg/ 2.6 apg in 30.4mpg

How can u say RJ won't improve dramatically in year 2 and beyond? Maybe he muscles up even more and becomes unstoppable when driving to the lane?

We might have our franchise piece in RJ

Tell me if this dont sound familier

In Gannis first season they had a awful coach in Larry Drew (won 15 games) and had 7 Forwards on that ridiculous unbalance roster.

Rj wont be good unless you put the right guys around him and the right coach, his development will be slow if you don't

We played best this year with Morris because he can shoot. There is no doubt we need a shooter or two. I’m scared. Very scared about putting money on another developmental pg

RIP Crushalot😞
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5/4/2020  4:33 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
ankurk wrote:Giannis Rookie year:
6.8ppg/ 4.4 rpg/ 1.9 apg in 24.6 mpg
Giannis second year:
12.7ppg/ 6.7rpg/ 2.6 apg in 31.4 mpg


RJ:
14.3ppg/ 5rpg/ 2.6 apg in 30.4mpg

How can u say RJ won't improve dramatically in year 2 and beyond? Maybe he muscles up even more and becomes unstoppable when driving to the lane?

We might have our franchise piece in RJ

Tell me if this dont sound familier

In Gannis first season they had a awful coach in Larry Drew (won 15 games) and had 7 Forwards on that ridiculous unbalance roster.

Rj wont be good unless you put the right guys around him and the right coach, his development will be slow if you don't

"the right guys"........
"the right coach".......

You tha man!!!!

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5/4/2020  7:14 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/5/2020  7:39 PM
elmaestro33 wrote:It's hard to use the Bucks as a blueprint for how to build a franchise. They're successful because they were lucky enough to land Giannis. The rest of the team is built around him and caters to his abilities.

This. Might as well start a thread about every other team with a superstar experiencing success. Knicks need SEVERAL more pieces as we do not have anyone close to Giannis in our grasp. Hopefully we get lucky in the draft and in free agency. Then we can decide who and how we can build a team to compete for a chip.

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5/5/2020  5:26 PM
Celtics have built it the right way. Young coach, draft genius picks, free agency.........Its not failing, but its not a chip yet.
I like how they are doing it.
Toronto? Hit the Conf finals ceiling a few times, fired COY, put all their chips in on Kwahi and a nice luck shot by him AND GSW breaks in the finals and they pull it off. Mostly they were in a postion to win. Not discounting that at all. Ainge has been a bit more conservative that way.
Bucks got lucky with Giannis. They were also patient. He also grew more. You create your luck by creating the opportunity.
Knicks need to do that. RJ might be that guy. Won't know until hindsight.
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5/5/2020  6:13 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/5/2020  6:14 PM
Nalod wrote:Celtics have built it the right way. Young coach, draft genius picks, free agency.........Its not failing, but its not a chip yet.
I like how they are doing it.
Toronto? Hit the Conf finals ceiling a few times, fired COY, put all their chips in on Kwahi and a nice luck shot by him AND GSW breaks in the finals and they pull it off. Mostly they were in a postion to win. Not discounting that at all. Ainge has been a bit more conservative that way.
Bucks got lucky with Giannis. They were also patient. He also grew more. You create your luck by creating the opportunity.
Knicks need to do that. RJ might be that guy. Won't know until hindsight.

Hahaha...no one mentions Jabari Parker anymore. It's a lottery ticket. No one truly knows what they're. The thing is, this is vital. The system is set up in such a way that you can't just buy talent. You need to have cheap talent as well.
Always... always remember: Less is less. More is more. More is better and twice as much is good too. Not enough is bad, and too much is never enough except when it's just about right. - The Tick
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5/5/2020  11:37 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
ankurk wrote:Giannis Rookie year:
6.8ppg/ 4.4 rpg/ 1.9 apg in 24.6 mpg
Giannis second year:
12.7ppg/ 6.7rpg/ 2.6 apg in 31.4 mpg


RJ:
14.3ppg/ 5rpg/ 2.6 apg in 30.4mpg

How can u say RJ won't improve dramatically in year 2 and beyond? Maybe he muscles up even more and becomes unstoppable when driving to the lane?

We might have our franchise piece in RJ

Tell me if this dont sound familier

In Gannis first season they had a awful coach in Larry Drew (won 15 games) and had 7 Forwards on that ridiculous unbalance roster.

Rj wont be good unless you put the right guys around him and the right coach, his development will be slow if you don't

We played best this year with Morris because he can shoot. There is no doubt we need a shooter or two. I’m scared. Very scared about putting money on another developmental pg


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