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fishmike
Posts: 53130 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 7/19/2002 Member: #298 USA |
5/6/2020 12:53 PM
you extend him to play the Marcus Smart role. Downside is he's a very good 30mpg bench player who covers you at backup PG and in line ups where his defense is impacting the game. Upside is he continues growing into Fiba Frank and is our starting PG for the next decade.
He's exactly the kind of player we need here. Lock him up, draft the BPA (Pg or otherwise) and just keep working on these kids. "winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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Nalod
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5/6/2020 2:35 PM
POTENTIAL............
The Video was his finest game. He executed much of what he has been attempting for a good bit of the season. Potential is as a 3 postion "Igudala" type player eventually. He can play PG and defend it. If he can keep improving the shot he can play. As a reminder........We are not accustomed to drafting players and thus the past of "we never properly develop players" is true due to inept practices, management impatience, and and a lack of opportunities with blue chip prospects. RJ and KP have been just two we have taken in the top 5. |
CrushAlot
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5/6/2020 4:38 PM
fishmike wrote:you extend him to play the Marcus Smart role. Downside is he's a very good 30mpg bench player who covers you at backup PG and in line ups where his defense is impacting the game. Upside is he continues growing into Fiba Frank and is our starting PG for the next decade. He has improved. He is a very high character kid with a great work ethic. Even if he maxes out as a good rotation player he is worth signing and keeping. I took a look at his stats because I remember he started taking some of the technical free throws towards the end of this season. He raised his free throw shooting percentage by 12 percent. All of his shooting percentages went up. Seems like keeper. I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
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TheGame
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5/8/2020 8:38 AM LAST EDITED: 5/8/2020 8:40 AM
I hope this COVID 19 crisis does not put Frank off track. Frank really needed those last 17-18 games to solidify the improvement he made throughout the season. Knowing him, he will be working hard, but it has to be hard to consistently workout in this environment with the practice facility closed. He realized last summer he needed to improve his handle, so I hope he continues to work on that because his handle still is not where it needs to be. While his percentages only slightly improved, his shot looks better and hopefully he will continue to gain confidence and consistency with that. Other than his handle, the main thing Frank improved on is learning what are HIS spots. He seems confident in the elbow jumper off the pick and roll. He is learning to attack the basket when his man gives him a lane, and he is no longer as hesitate to pull up for three. It is like watching paint dry with the pace of his development but as long as he continues to make noticeable improvements each year, he will eventually turn into a solid player. By year 5, Frank should be on an Eric Snow (with a better jumper) level. It is my hope that he will be our long-term backup PG/3 and D back up who guards the other teams best offensive wing. Knicks should try to resign him next summer to a 3-year extension at around $8-$10 mil per year.
Trust the Process
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GT2AM
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5/8/2020 9:23 AM LAST EDITED: 5/8/2020 9:25 AM
It's a shame that offense is the only thing that counts. If it was even in our minds we would be elated that we drafted one of the next great defenders in the league. Can anyone name a better defender from the last 3 drafts since Ntilikina? They spend half the time on defense. Just saying...
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GT2AM
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5/8/2020 10:00 AM LAST EDITED: 5/8/2020 10:15 AM
I get it. it's not even. Because Defense has to be a full team effort and 1 player can go off and take over a game on Offense.
Just seeing a lot of Rodman recently. There was an era where defense was a thing. |
Knickfury11
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5/8/2020 2:58 PM
GT2AM wrote:I get it. it's not even. Because Defense has to be a full team effort and 1 player can go off and take over a game on Offense. Yeah 90’s Knicks lockdown D!! Personally I’m rooting for Frankie to display a level of consistency that has been absent in his career thus far. Defence aside of course. I see him as an integral part of this roster, but unfortunately not yet the all star PG I crave... |
GT2AM
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5/9/2020 3:34 AM LAST EDITED: 5/9/2020 5:29 AM
Knickfury11 wrote:GT2AM wrote:I get it. it's not even. Because Defense has to be a full team effort and 1 player can go off and take over a game on Offense. He probably will never be an All Star PG. And the Knicks seem to still be searching for their "PG of the Future". |
TheGame
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5/13/2020 9:39 AM
In the last 10 games for the Knicks, Frank's stat line is:
Min 20.9 FG %44.7 3P% 38.1 FT% 84.6 RB 1.6 AST 3.3 STL 1.0 PF 2.6 TO 1.0 PTS 8.7 He has essentially turned himself into our best PG by far. If we cannot draft Ball, we need to draft the BPA. I don't want to reach for a PG unless the team really believes the guy is going to be a noticeable improvement over Frank. Now if the BPA is a pg, that is fine, but we need to get the BPA, regardless of position. Trust the Process
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Knickfury11
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5/13/2020 10:17 AM
TheGame wrote:In the last 10 games for the Knicks, Frank's stat line is: Agree Frankie is our best PG, but look who we have as a like for like comparison! Lol... For me he’s the best defensive guard in the league, with only Derrick White, Matisse Thybulle, Kris Dunn coming close. His defensive qualities far overshadow his playmaking and offensive game though. But if he can raise his offensive game to the standard shown in his last games and continue this consistently? ( for this I’m praying) He will be valued as a “2 way player” at a very high premium. If Ball / Haliburton/ Cole are not available to us, then I’d like to see us draft quality wings and perimeter shooting ( Nesmith and Bey come to mind ). Pursue Vanvleet etc in FA. I’m fine with BPA but we do need to implement a long term strategy to assemble a competitive roster. |
martin
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5/13/2020 10:32 AM
Knickfury11 wrote:TheGame wrote:In the last 10 games for the Knicks, Frank's stat line is: Feel like I am there. Right now Franks seems like a good secondary or complimentary guard for a high level team, or perhaps a solid cog off bench. Just not enough playmaking and breakdown ability. I don't watch Toronto enough to really know the dynamics but Lowery/VanFleet seem to do well together with the other guys in the lineup, whereas VanFleet as the lone starter/guard focal point for a team probably wouldn't work. Frank and someone else would need to be paired in the same way. Realistically Frank would need to get his 3pt shooting to the high 30% range for him to be a quality starter next to someone like Ball/Haliburton. Official sponsor of the PURE KNICKS LOVE Program
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Knickfury11
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5/13/2020 11:04 AM
martin wrote:Knickfury11 wrote:TheGame wrote:In the last 10 games for the Knicks, Frank's stat line is: Yes I agree Martin, finding the “right” backcourt partner for Frankie is crucial not only for his own individual development but for the progression of this franchise. I don’t see Vanvleet being detrimental to the backcourt or team chemistry. Would he be as effective as he is in TOR alongside an Allstar guard in Lowry? Debatable. Personally I’m high on Vanvleet his age, skill set and intangibles. |
newyorknewyork
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5/13/2020 11:48 AM
Sangfroid wrote:ccinflushing wrote:I think Frank's progressing fine given his injury/team situation. I don't think Fizdale did him any favours, with his wack line-up and rotations and general lack of structure or accountability. Frank has improved his core strength and his handles, as well his playmaking skills. His reads on offense has gotten a lot better and he's generally making the right decisions quicker. He's getting to his spots and is less hesitant about shooting, which has helped his percentage. To have as rough a start as he has had while, with the amount of pressure and expectations he has had placed on him in this market. To fight through all that and work his way up. Shows a level of mental toughness and focus. He were to continue this trajectory(from the last 2 months of gms he played) and have a strong season next yr. Sky is the limit for his confidence, and NY will end up having crafted a diamond. https://vote.nba.com/en Vote for your Knicks.
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martin
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5/13/2020 11:53 AM
Knickfury11 wrote:martin wrote:Knickfury11 wrote:TheGame wrote:In the last 10 games for the Knicks, Frank's stat line is: It'll all be about cost of his contract. $10-15, not so bad, anything above is a no-go for me. And I don't think you can get him away from TOR at that price range. Official sponsor of the PURE KNICKS LOVE Program
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SupremeCommander
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5/13/2020 12:18 PM
fishmike wrote:you extend him to play the Marcus Smart role. Downside is he's a very good 30mpg bench player who covers you at backup PG and in line ups where his defense is impacting the game. Upside is he continues growing into Fiba Frank and is our starting PG for the next decade. I absolutely love that comp. On a good team Frank will look like Smart Sambakick wrote:
Gives a whole new meaning to "Jazz Hands"
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knicks1248
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5/13/2020 2:55 PM
newyorknewyork wrote:Sangfroid wrote:ccinflushing wrote:I think Frank's progressing fine given his injury/team situation. I don't think Fizdale did him any favours, with his wack line-up and rotations and general lack of structure or accountability. Frank has improved his core strength and his handles, as well his playmaking skills. His reads on offense has gotten a lot better and he's generally making the right decisions quicker. He's getting to his spots and is less hesitant about shooting, which has helped his percentage. He really hasn't worked his way up to anything, The knicks continue to bring in PG after pg because of his lack of production.
DSJ is slightly a better player then frank,(even though is attitude sucks) and he gets little to no love around here. I like frank (on another team in a better situation with a define role), but I know that there's a 95% chance that he will continue to struggle in NY because the knicks don't have there sht together ES
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