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smackeddog wrote:This man is an absolute monster

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Pathetic excuse for a human being

This man is just such a dispicable *******!!! Horrible horrible human being!!!
To share a Little bit of info on this.
The guy who owns most of the shares of the company CureVac is Dietmar Hopp the founder of SAP and a pretty social person. He has been very clear that there will not be any restrictions in terms of availability of a vaccine developed by the team there. Its gonna be used interantionally! Also he said that there is a vaccine expected to be available in Fall this year... which is quicker than most ppl have expected!

So thats good news. Lets hope its true!

On the Ibuprofen topic... this is based on two different sources here in Europe it seems.
1. being a fake info shared broadly via Whatsapp that cited the University of Vienna as conducting the research. This has been very clearly rejected and labled as fake by the University.
2. the French governement which has as far as I can tell not cited any research.
There have been plenty of interviews on this topic with virologists and doctors which have denied any connection between Ibuprofen ussage and a difficult course of the desease.

Since this has been solely on the US at this point let me briefly give you guys a short summary on what is happening here in Germany at the moment. Hope its interesting and helpful since we seem to be a little ahead of your guys in terms of the spread of the virus - of course nobody can really tell due to the testing issues in the US. :-/

We had up until yesterday 4383 diagnosed cases and 12 death.
We are roughly 8 days behind in the curve in comparison to Italy.
At this point the rate of death to diagnosed seems to be lower than in Italy and some other countries but this probably still is because we are "early" in the curve and the medical system in Germany is a little better suited with intensive care units etc.

Government has reacted by a partial lockdown in most areas.
Schools and Kindergardens are all closed, ppl are asked to work from home when possible.
Only grocery stores, Pharmacies and banks are basically open.
Ppl are asked to execute social distancing... but honestly... its a so so success in terms of compliance.
In Berlin for example 50 cases were diagnosed after a gourp of ppl infected each other in a club...
Who the **** is clubbing now?!?!

Its a super weired feeling here... since its still very clear that the rate of infection will probably balloon up to 60% of the population with a death rate of 20-25% in the high risk groups...

Guys please take this serious even if you only have limited cases in your area still... its gonna spread super quickly!!!
Stay healthy guys!!!

Thanks man, it’s scary times everywhere. I think I read somewhere that one of the reasons the German mortality rate is so low is because they aren’t counting the deaths if the person had an underlining condition (which other countries are, and account for a large amount of the deaths).

Italy’s mortality rate is scary, I know part of it is age related, and the collapse of the health system, but it’s still disturbingly higher than anywhere else- very worrying if we all end up following them.

To clarify:
The relatively low mortality rate in Germany is - it seems - strongly correlated to the broader testing.
In Germany there has been done quite a bit of testing with "mild symptom" ppl while in Italy only the ppl showing strong Symptoms were tested. Also age of population and medical infrastructure would be connected obviously.

Its not true that in Germany deaths with underlining conditions are not counted. Acutally its the contrary as one 78yr old man who died did due to a heart issue not the virus connected pneumonia. The virus hence had no "direct" impact. But since he had Corona he is going into the death count.

Stay safe and healthy guys!

GustavBahler wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/15/perfume-giant-lvmh-to-make-hand-sanitiser-to-give-to-french-hospitals

Hope to see mobilization like this from corporate America. Not just looking for more corporate socialism to bail them out. Because they were too busy buying back stock during good times.

With a corp tax break to fuel it.
My bank has given 10 sick days to employees and up to $100 per day for child care. This will help the mostly the admin staff. This is a big top 10 bank in the country. Very quick to help its employees. not sure they will make it public knowledge.
Locally cable company offering internet to any household with children free of charge.
Electric companies will not turn off power to any delinquent accounts. Etc.
Give corp America a chance. Its coming at us fast and furious.

Its typical for many Socialist countries to own large amounts of the companies domiciled there. While its not any less a benevolent thing to do, its sort of expected.

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Yikes, how do they get it in so far?! I thought they just swabbed your cheek or something

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Hope they’re all okay, that’s horrible. I hate waiting to be hit by this thing. Hope they all make swift recoveries.

One of them is KD

I saw that. I didn't think he was around the team much. I know he doesn't travel with them (team policy) and I thought he was training/rehabbing in LA. I know he was at Atkinson's last game. The guy has had a terrible year. Hopefully he recovers quickly.

NBA players are very public people.
A lot of contacts with a lot of people.
Not necessarily during the games but a lot of other business, charity, media, celebs, etc.
So not a surprise that they get it so fast.
I think most of us will get it sooner or later.
The point is to make the process as slow as possible to not overpower our health system and society capacity to deal with it.
And of course to have time to gather clinical and symptomatic information, work on vaccine, fine ways to treat the symptoms and side effects.

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Hello from Italy. Your future is grimmer than you think.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/03/17/hello-italy-your-future-is-grimmer-than-you-think/

My family lives in the Veneto, in Northern Italy, one of the regions worst hit by the novel coronavirus. We are on lockdown. It’s scary. It’s lonely. It’s uncomfortable. And did I mention scary?

I’ll spare you the statistics and the sermons; both are already abundant. But I do want to make one thing clear: If you think that by stocking up your pantries you have absolved yourself from the responsibility of preparing for this virus, you are mistaken. This is a crisis like none before. Be skeptical of both naysayers and doomsayers; there’s no way of knowing how this will end.

The restrictions came upon us slowly but steadily. Within two weeks, our old lives were gone. First the schools closed, then came social distancing. Then the government locked down the hardest-hit areas: no more going in and out of certain provinces; limited movements within the “red zones.” Then the whole country shut down. Most stores closed their doors. People who could were asked to telework; those who could not, and did not have a job related to the continuation of essential services, were placed on part-time schedules or unpaid leave. When we went out, we had to carry a pass explaining our reasons for being outside to show to the law enforcement officers patrolling the streets. The priority became keeping everyone inside, at all times.

For some people, the gradual rollout made these measures hard to accept: Skeptical observers questioned the seriousness of the disease, given that the restrictions were not draconian from the start. And yet without time to adjust to a progressive loss of freedom, we wouldn’t have accepted it. We might have rebelled. Instead, we rallied, coming together as one — protecting each other’s health, even as we could no longer socialize.

Living under these conditions is difficult to describe. We can only leave the house out of medical necessity or to get food. We can go on short walks but not in groups. We can’t hug, kiss or shake hands with anyone outside of our family. We must stay at least four feet from everyone else, at all times.

My family tries to maintain a routine: In the mornings, I home-school our four children, who range from kindergarten to eighth grade, while my husband teleworks. My eldest son’s school was the best prepared for distance learning and began remote lessons from the first week of the lockdown. He gets live lessons, homework, regular interaction with his teachers — and just as importantly, regular interaction with friends, which lessens his sense of isolation. It’s great, really, but it also requires a dedicated laptop and bandwidth from 8:10 a.m. to 2:45 p.m. daily, limiting what everyone else can do online. My other children’s schools, which shut down at the same time, have only started distance learning this week.

In the afternoon, my husband and I both work as best we can, while the children keep themselves busy. With guitars we had on hand and a drum set they built from scratch, they’re putting together a garage band. (Literally — they have to stay in the garage and can’t practice or perform anywhere else.) For the first time in my life, I’ve come to think that having four children sometimes can be less work than having one or two: They can entertain each other.

Counterintuitively, the days somehow end incredibly fast. We are always doing something: organizing lessons, fighting with a malfunctioning printer or about our overloaded WiFi, tutoring each child one-on-one, getting the kids outside, feeding them, drinking coffee, repeat. When, after two or three days, we can’t take the confinement anymore, one of us makes a run to the grocery store to buy fruits and vegetables and whatever else we need. (The stores, at least, are well stocked.) We go out by bike to get some exercise. That, too, is a challenge, because we are always tired.

My mother and sisters, my little niece, my aunt, and cousins live in Lombardy, the region worst affected by the pandemic. If my mother, who is 81 (or almost 81, as she would point out) catches this virus, she will probably die. I speak to and text them frequently, but I don’t know when, or if, I will be able to see them. It’s bizarre: Everyone is going through the same emotions — fear, anger, exhaustion — no matter where we live or what we do. We don’t need many words to know how the other person feels. We end every call with “Forza!” We must keep going.

Yes, most people who become ill will survive. Yes, people younger than 45 will probably be fine. But right now, doctors across Northern Italy have to choose between who gets the respirator and lives, and who does not and dies. Italy’s health system, for all its shortcomings — the long waits for certain tests, some aging buildings, the sometimes crowded hospital wards — is among the best-performing in the Western world. A 2017 report by the World Health Organization, for example, reported that Italian health care has among the lowest mortality rates in Europe and a strong acute-care sector. And yet this virus has overwhelmed the health system of one of the richest areas of the European Union.

Statistics change daily, as the hospitals scramble to build capacity. On Thursday, there were only 737 intensive-care beds open for new coronavirus patients in Lombardy; the region is home to 10 million people, and as of this writing, 16,220 people have tested positive for the disease there. Depending on how many coronavirus patients go into or out of the hospitals each day, if you have a chronic condition or a heart attack or are in a car crash, you might not be able to access care.

Writing this from Italy, I am also writing to you from your own future. From our state of emergency, we have been watching the crisis unfold in the United States with a terrible sense of foreboding. Please stop waiting for others to tell you what to do; stop blaming the government for doing too much or too little. We all have actions we can take to slow the spread of the disease — and ensuring that your own household has enough canned goods and cleaning supplies is not enough. You can do a lot more. You should do a lot more. Stay away from restaurants, gyms, libraries, movie theaters, bars and cafes, yes. But also: Don’t invite people over for dinner, don’t let your kids go on playdates, don’t take them to the playground, don’t let your teenagers out of your sight. They will sneak out with their friends, they will hold hands, they will share their drinks and food. If this seems too much, consider the following: We are not allowed to hold weddings or funerals. We can’t gather to bury our dead.

For us, it might be too late to avoid an incredible loss of life. But if you decide against taking actions because it seems inconvenient, or because you don’t want to look silly, you can’t say you weren’t warned.

martin wrote:This is the end game.... but when can we all get access to tests whose results are back within hours:

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What I don’t get is, if one country does stringent testing and suppresses the outbreak, what happens when they stop the stringent measures? what happens once flights start again? What happens when one state that had it go rampant, starts interacting with one where few got it? Or are well all going to have to keep separate until a vaccine?(which could be a year to 18 months away). Is suppressing it completely counter productive or is it best just to play for time until there’s a vaccine?