martin wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

NotInMyHouse wrote:Latest data. We have a moderate spike in deaths but hopefully new cases are topping. Let's see over the next few weeks.
Hoping for the best. Stay well everyone.

Were you asleep during March to June? Do you not understand how this thing works despite all the global data?

At least he's polite, lol. What this poster is missing, and some experts on TV, who are promoting the same happy talk. Is that it completely neglects to mention that this virus might not kill you. But it can leave you with permanent brain, heart, and lung damage, and it can be passed in the womb during pregnancy.

We are learning new ways every week, about the damage this virus can do to the human body. New cases of Covid should be treated with concern as well.

On top of that I would add the finical ruin of hospitals, state budgets, small business owners, families, individuals on top of the death and medical calamity that is happening.

States like TX and FL rely on sales taxes cause they don't have income taxes like other states, so that's why they want to keep business open. And when states don't have the tax money, teachers, fire fighters, gov't workers, etc. get laid off or programs are not funded.

In America, we got a piddly $1200 check. Other high income countries got 80% of their salaries (or some such number) as well as the social medicine, so not as much worries on those fronts.

Meanwhile, the cruise industry got bailed out. Yay

UK’s initial response was very bad, and their government is almost Trumpian, but even they ended up paying 80% of furloughed workers salaries from March until September! capped at $3,000 PER MONTH! That’s a maximum of almost over the whole period $20,0000!!!!

Even self employed people got 80% of their average income (Based on the past 3 years)

Other countries also did rent debt right offs

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/science/coronavirus-vaccine-tracker.html

The one that's looking promising (and committed to providing it on a not for profit basis) and could be ready to roll as early as October is still the Oxford one

Covid Vaccine Front-Runner Is Months Ahead of Her Competition

The University of Oxford candidate, led by Sarah Gilbert, might be through human trials in September. AstraZeneca has lined up agreements to produce 2 billion doses. Could this be the one?

...In April, Oxford struck a deal with British pharmaceutical giant AstraZeneca Plc to spearhead global manufacturing and distribution and help run more trials around the world. AstraZeneca has agreed to sell the vaccine on a not-for-profit basis during the crisis if it proves effective and has lined up deals with multiple manufacturers to produce more than 2 billion doses.
At the end of April, crunching a process that normally takes about five years into less than four months, Gilbert and her colleagues at Oxford’s Jenner Institute started a human trial on 1,100 people...

...When Gilbert testified before a parliamentary committee in early July, one member compared her effort to going into a shed and coming out with a jet engine. Gilbert’s team has leapfrogged other vaccine contenders to the point where it will likely finish vaccinating subjects in its big 10,000-person efficacy trial before other candidates even start testing on that scale, Kate Bingham, chair of the U.K. government’s Vaccine Taskforce, told the parliamentary committee in early July. “She’s well ahead of the world,” Bingham said. “It’s the most advanced vaccine anywhere.”...

...Anthony Fauci, director of the U.S. National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), has sounded a note of caution about Oxford’s front-runner status. “You’ve got to be careful if you’re temporarily leading the way vs. having a vaccine that’s actually going to work,” he told the BBC recently. Most vaccines in development fail to get licensed. Unlike drugs to treat diseases, vaccines are given to healthy people to prevent illness, which means regulators set a high bar for approval and usually want to see years’ worth of safety data. In the Covid-19 pandemic, it’s not yet clear what regulators will accept as proof of a successful and safe vaccine. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration has said a vaccine would need to be 50% more effective than a placebo to be approved and would need to show more evidence than blood tests indicating an immune response. Regulators in other countries haven’t spelled out what would be acceptable.
Gilbert has voiced remarkable confidence in her chances, saying the Oxford vaccine has an 80% probability of being effective in stopping people who are exposed to the novel coronavirus from developing Covid-19. She has said she could know by September. Asked by MPs in early July whether the world would have to struggle through the winter without a vaccine, Gilbert said, “I hope we can improve on those timelines and come to your rescue.”...

...A successful vaccine likely won’t be 100% effective, no matter who wins the race, and success might have different definitions. Not all vaccines produce what’s called sterilizing immunity, in which the body produces neutralizing antibodies that block a virus from getting into cells. Some vaccines don’t prevent infection but trigger the immune system to protect against illness. Jonas Salk’s polio vaccine doesn’t stop infection but prevents the disease that crippled millions. I asked Gilbert what her definition of a successful vaccine would be, but she wouldn’t be drawn out on specifics. “We need a vaccine with a high level of efficacy against disease, which also has a significant impact on virus transmission,” she said...

...After the deal was announced at the end of April, big money followed as Pascal Soriot, AstraZeneca’s chief executive officer, pledged to make the vaccine available at only a “few dollars” per dose. The British government gave £65 million to accelerate the work and secure 30 million doses for the U.K. by September as part of a deal to make 100 million in total, with some reserved for developing countries. Days later, AstraZeneca announced a $1.2 billion deal with the U.S. Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority (Barda) to develop and produce 300 million doses, one of the largest deals the agency has announced. AstraZeneca will work with the National Institutes of Health to test it in 30,000 people in the U.S., scheduled to start in August. The company later struck a licensing deal with the Serum Institute of India to produce a billion doses for developing and middle-income countries. Because of expected political pressure—any country with a role in the production of a vaccine might act to secure doses for its own people—AstraZeneca is setting up independent supply chains within countries to prevent delays at national borders...

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2020-07-15/oxford-s-covid-19-vaccine-is-the-coronavirus-front-runner

For me the ethics side is just as important as if a country develops one and tries to profit out of it/ exclude other countries, the legacy of that will be toxic and the loss of life globally will be astronomical.

NotInMyHouse wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

NotInMyHouse wrote:Latest data. We have a moderate spike in deaths but hopefully new cases are topping. Let's see over the next few weeks.
Hoping for the best. Stay well everyone.

Were you asleep during March to June? Do you not understand how this thing works despite all the global data?

I tend to not live in the past. And technically we are not in a pandemic right now. Hopefully it stays that way.

From the CDC - https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/index.html

Trump was "technically" right about the loss of life after Hurricane Maria, because there were only a handful of confirmed deaths at that time. Several thousand more dead had yet to be discovered, and counted. The residents of Puerto Rico knew it was happy talk.

Covid doesnt have to kill you, to wreck your life. We're getting close to 4 Million Americans with covid, and rising. Pandemic, Epidemic are meaningless distinctions right now.

NotInMyHouse wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

NotInMyHouse wrote:Latest data. We have a moderate spike in deaths but hopefully new cases are topping. Let's see over the next few weeks.
Hoping for the best. Stay well everyone.

Were you asleep during March to June? Do you not understand how this thing works despite all the global data?

I tend to not live in the past.

LOL! Absolutely brain dead...

This is basically you:

NotInMyHouse wrote:

dodger78 wrote:

NotInMyHouse wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

NotInMyHouse wrote:Latest data. We have a moderate spike in deaths but hopefully new cases are topping. Let's see over the next few weeks.
Hoping for the best. Stay well everyone.

Were you asleep during March to June? Do you not understand how this thing works despite all the global data?

I tend to not live in the past. And technically we are not in a pandemic right now. Hopefully it stays that way.

From the CDC - https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/index.html

Man I have been more than willing to see past your obvious agenda and delusional perception of the topic and discuss facts - but this is RIDICULOUS and reaches stupid "troll" status...
Seriously... how can you with all things happening still try to diminish the severe impact Covid-19 has on the US and the world?!?
Since you like to post URLs without context ... go have a look at that small organization your dumb**** president has decided to leave...
https://covid19.who.int/

I dont give a **** on what you want to call this thing... its destroying lives... everywhere... and in an volume that should bother every "normal thinking empathic" person...

Where did I say CV19 is not serious or impacting us?
Have you not seen the Country is split on the best way to handle this? Many people even refuse to wear masks - I'm not saying that.
I posted some good news that pandemic status is done (for now) and I'm attacked. LOL, yeah, I'm the villain here.

How do you feel about the mental health of millions of children and adults being negatively impacted by the lockdown, unemployment, etc?
What about all the small businesses that are done and bankrupt?
What about child abuse going up?

This is more than about the virus directly. The side affects are deadly and life destroying. But I see no mention of that here.

Where did I say CV19 is not serious or impacting us? You dont fool anybody concerning your agenda on this topic, dont bother to argue...
Have you not seen the Country is split on the best way to handle this?
No the Country is not split on the best way to handle this - its split by reckless ppl politizicing a matter of life and death - hence you split the population into ppl who want to handle this and ppl who dont want to handle this because of their political Affiliation. This is insane! Also please not how scientists and actually MOST of the rest of the world is NOT split in this matter! AND hence did way better for their Population in dealing with this pandemic!

How do you feel about the mental health of millions of children and adults being negatively impacted by the lockdown, unemployment, etc?
What about all the small businesses that are done and bankrupt?
What about child abuse going up?
Well you know what... again leaving the US Focus for a second (because conveniently this **** happened everywhere right - hence its been called a pandemic) - many countries have had lockdowns to "flatten the curve" enough and diminish the size of the outbreak to a degree where opening was "rather safe" again... from own experience... yeah it sucks for the Kids and parents to spend so much time reduced to a somewhat limited live but now we are "back again" and most ppl have dealt with the lockdown fine - oh waith - perhaps it helps that these restriction in our everyday live where NOT politicized and ppl did not feel like there FREEDOM was taken away by the government!

Oh and on top of that... yeah small businesses and bankrupcies, Extended periods of unemployment - hell all this sucks - the same way huge medical bills do - you know who is helping us dealing with these Things in many parts of the world?!? The government, by taking up parts of ppls salaries, by public health care ... all that stuff! And man Im NOT talking about communist countries!

So to conclude... nah I would not call you a villain! Ill call you by what you are - a brainwashed troll... sorry I would love to stay polite but its really difficult to argue sense with a brainwashed troll so...

Queen Elizabeth knighted Captain Tom Moore on Friday, recognizing the100-year-old for lifting Britain’s spirits during the gloom of the coronavirus pandemic by raising millions of pounds for health workers.

The World War Two veteran raised a record 33 million pounds ($41 million) by walking 100 laps of his garden with the aid of a walking frame in April in the run-up to his landmark birthday.

At an open-air investiture at Windsor Castle, the 94-year-old queen smiled as she dubbed Moore on both shoulders with her knighting sword, which previously belonged to her father, George VI.

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Moore, in a dark suit, stood holding onto a wheeled walking frame.

“Thank you very much,” Moore told the queen. “Wonderful,” the queen said, before greeting Moore’s family. “What an amazing amount of money you have raised.”

The Yorkshireman became a symbol of British endurance in the face of the adversity of the coronavirus crisis and cheered many with his promise that “the sun will shine again”.

“I could never have imagined this would happen to me,” Moore said in a message posted on Twitter before received the ancient accolade.

“It is such a huge honor and I am very much looking forward to meeting Her Majesty The Queen. It is going to be the most special of days for me.”

Moore, who served in India, Burma and Sumatra during World War Two, quipped earlier this year that having a knighthood would be funny because he would be Sir Thomas Moore – a reference to the Tudor statesman Sir Thomas More.

The monarch has been sheltering at Windsor Castle, the oldest permanently inhabited castle in the world, since March.

Other investitures have been postponed because of the coronavirus and Moore’s knighthood was one of the first official duties the queen has carried out since the coronavirus lockdown.

(REUTERS)

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https://twitter.com/tjmule/status/1284148221850169344

This is why Notinmyhouse's comment that he "tends not to live in the past" is so spectacularly, inexcusably dumb- literally the definition of willful ignorance:

Willful ignorance occurs when individuals realize at some level of consciousness that their beliefs are probably false, or when they refuse to attend to information that would establish their falsity.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/why-we-blame/201709/willful-ignorance-and-self-deception

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https://twitter.com/Chizzy71/status/1284214779784175618

Hopefully this does not set things back. I will still be treating things like I did back in April. I have seen how bad it can get even for people who recover. I don't want any part of that.

smackeddog wrote:

Clean wrote:

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https://twitter.com/Chizzy71/status/1284214779784175618

Hopefully this does not set things back. I will still be treating things like I did back in April. I have seen how bad it can get even for people who recover. I don't want any part of that.

Me too, I'm working on the assumption we may have a vaccine by this time next year, I can stick this out until then

IMO, it would be a catastrophe if none of the current vaccines being tested got approved by the FDA.

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https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1284603841409953797

Serious question, if Trump was deliberately trying to kill as many Americans as possible from COVID-19 (obviously I don't think he actually is), how would his policy differ from the one he's currently pursuing?