NotInMyHouse wrote:Hey everyone, I came across this article on CNet and thought you might enjoy it. Martin - I emailed you as requested over a week ago and you never replied. So, I'll take that as an OK to post here, since you requested I contact you - With Respect.

https://www.cnet.com/news/coronavirus-chronicles-heres-some-good-news-amid-the-dire-reports/

There are many good things posted in the article regarding these times (e.g. pollution reduction). Of note was this, but with China's extreme pollution, it makes sense.

Researcher Marshall Burke from Stanford University calculated that the reduction in emissions in China in January and February could save as many as 77,000 lives.
To put that number into context, that's more than 20 times the number of people who died from coronavirus in that time.

That article being quoted isn't research it's data manipulation but at least the author is honest about it

None of my calculations support any idea that pandemics are good for health. The effects I calculate just represent health benefits from the air pollution changes wrought by the economic disruption, and do not account for the many other short- or long-term negative consequences of this disruption on health or other outcomes; these harms likely vastly exceed any health benefits from reduced air pollution.

Yes - NASA pictures show remarkable lowering of pollution over large cities since the lockdown started. But that's not the only impact this has on the environment. Industrial production creates aerosols which are tiny plastic like particles that are pervasive in our air. These cause what is known as global dimming - they reflect away sunlight and actually helps keep global warming partially in check, without it global warming would have killed us by now. When industrial production was stopped these cities also lost their global dimming which is directly leading to higher temperatures in March and APril than has ever been seen before.

NotInMyHouse wrote:Hey everyone, I came across this article on CNet and thought you might enjoy it. Martin - I emailed you as requested over a week ago and you never replied. So, I'll take that as an OK to post here, since you requested I contact you - With Respect.

https://www.cnet.com/news/coronavirus-chronicles-heres-some-good-news-amid-the-dire-reports/

There are many good things posted in the article regarding these times (e.g. pollution reduction). Of note was this, but with China's extreme pollution, it makes sense.

Researcher Marshall Burke from Stanford University calculated that the reduction in emissions in China in January and February could save as many as 77,000 lives.
To put that number into context, that's more than 20 times the number of people who died from coronavirus in that time.

I replied right away. Check your spam or something.

BigDaddyG wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:https://www.newsweek.com/swedish-hospitals-chloroquine-covid-19-side-effects-1496368

Several hospitals in Sweden have reportedly stopped administering chloroquine to coronavirus patients following reports the drug was causing adverse side effects.

According to the national paper Expressen, hospitals in the Västra Götaland region are no longer offering the antimalarial medication, with side effects reported to include cramps and the loss of peripheral vision.

New studies are showing it has no impact on COVID-1 patients with severe symptoms, both by itself and in conjunction with azithromycin.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0399077X20300858?via%3Dihub

Go figure.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/06/us/politics/coronavirus-trump-malaria-drug.html

If hydroxychloroquine becomes an accepted treatment, several pharmaceutical companies stand to profit, including shareholders and senior executives with connections to the president. Mr. Trump himself has a small personal financial interest in Sanofi, the French drugmaker that makes Plaquenil, the brand-name version of hydroxychloroquine.

Very unsurprising

martin wrote:

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/tedlieu/status/1247644803308765184

Not surprising. It only takes one!

meloshouldgo wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:https://www.newsweek.com/swedish-hospitals-chloroquine-covid-19-side-effects-1496368

Several hospitals in Sweden have reportedly stopped administering chloroquine to coronavirus patients following reports the drug was causing adverse side effects.

According to the national paper Expressen, hospitals in the Västra Götaland region are no longer offering the antimalarial medication, with side effects reported to include cramps and the loss of peripheral vision.

New studies are showing it has no impact on COVID-1 patients with severe symptoms, both by itself and in conjunction with azithromycin.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0399077X20300858?via%3Dihub

Go figure.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/06/us/politics/coronavirus-trump-malaria-drug.html

If hydroxychloroquine becomes an accepted treatment, several pharmaceutical companies stand to profit, including shareholders and senior executives with connections to the president. Mr. Trump himself has a small personal financial interest in Sanofi, the French drugmaker that makes Plaquenil, the brand-name version of hydroxychloroquine.

Very unsurprising

This really looks like a non story. I was curious as I think it could be an obvious conflict of course. I understand 99% of the people in this thread despise Trump
(to put it lightly). I was a Bernie guy, so it is kind of non emotional for me to go through the thread. My point here is, be careful of the emotion getting the better
of you. Things like this can add to our previously held beliefs in a dishonest way. I don't mean that against anyone. We all experience this to some degree.

I did a bit of digging.

Trumps "interest" here is via a part of a mutual fund he holds (mentioned below in the Business Insider article.) For some perspective I found the below:

Forbes: (snippet)

Forbes estimates the value of Trump’s Sanofi holdings to be less than $3,000; for context, Forbes estimates Trump's total net worth at $2.1 billion

Business Insider said this:

Trump has a distant financial link to a pharma giant that makes the drug he's been pushing to fight COVID-19 — but it's probably worth less than $1,000

I don't really watch TV, so I am not familiar with CNN, ABC, FOX, etc. that much (more via internet clips.) And I'm not familiar with Forbes or Business Insider. I found
some other articles (e.g. from Salon - https://www.salon.com/2020/04/07/trump-holds-financial-interest-in-pharmaceutical-company-that-produces-hydroxychloroquine-nyt_partner/
but they don't mention an amount.

Marketwatch calculated (due to it being in a mutual fund), that it could be around $99. https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trumps-personal-stake-in-the-malaria-drug-maker-sanofi-could-be-as-small-as-99-2020-04-07

Martin - You were correct. I never thought to check my spam as I sent the first email and thought it would of course allow a return in. Thanks for your friendly letter and points taken.
Re this topic here, I think the burden is a bit on the people who brought it up to give financial amounts. Without that things can really be misconstrued. Everything I found point to the $$$ being miniscule.
I don't really enjoy taking part in back and forth's but wanted to drop this in here as it concerned me at first.

NotInMyHouse wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:https://www.newsweek.com/swedish-hospitals-chloroquine-covid-19-side-effects-1496368

Several hospitals in Sweden have reportedly stopped administering chloroquine to coronavirus patients following reports the drug was causing adverse side effects.

According to the national paper Expressen, hospitals in the Västra Götaland region are no longer offering the antimalarial medication, with side effects reported to include cramps and the loss of peripheral vision.

New studies are showing it has no impact on COVID-1 patients with severe symptoms, both by itself and in conjunction with azithromycin.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0399077X20300858?via%3Dihub

Go figure.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/06/us/politics/coronavirus-trump-malaria-drug.html

If hydroxychloroquine becomes an accepted treatment, several pharmaceutical companies stand to profit, including shareholders and senior executives with connections to the president. Mr. Trump himself has a small personal financial interest in Sanofi, the French drugmaker that makes Plaquenil, the brand-name version of hydroxychloroquine.

Very unsurprising

This really looks like a non story. I was curious as I think it could be an obvious conflict of course. I understand 99% of the people in this thread despise Trump
(to put it lightly). I was a Bernie guy, so it is kind of non emotional for me to go through the thread. My point here is, be careful of the emotion getting the better
of you. Things like this can add to our previously held beliefs in a dishonest way. I don't mean that against anyone. We all experience this to some degree.

I did a bit of digging.

Trumps "interest" here is via a part of a mutual fund he holds (mentioned below in the Business Insider article.) For some perspective I found the below:

Forbes: (snippet)

Forbes estimates the value of Trump’s Sanofi holdings to be less than $3,000; for context, Forbes estimates Trump's total net worth at $2.1 billion

https://www.forbes.com/sites/lisettevoytko/2020/04/07/trump-has-small-distant-link-to-sanofi-french-drugmaker-of-hydroxychloroquine/

Business Insider said this:

Trump has a distant financial link to a pharma giant that makes the drug he's been pushing to fight COVID-19 — but it's probably worth less than $1,000

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-small-financial-ties-hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus-drug-maker-2020-4?op=1

I don't really watch TV, so I am not familiar with CNN, ABC, FOX, etc. that much (more via internet clips.) And I'm not familiar with Forbes or Business Insider. I found
some other articles (e.g. from Salon - https://www.salon.com/2020/04/07/trump-holds-financial-interest-in-pharmaceutical-company-that-produces-hydroxychloroquine-nyt_partner/
but they don't mention an amount.

Marketwatch calculated (due to it being in a mutual fund), that it could be around $99. https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trumps-personal-stake-in-the-malaria-drug-maker-sanofi-could-be-as-small-as-99-2020-04-07

Martin - You were correct. I never thought to check my spam as I sent the first email and thought it would of course allow a return in. Thanks for your friendly letter and points taken.
Re this topic here, I think the burden is a bit on the people who brought it up to give financial amounts. Without that things can really be misconstrued. Everything I found point to the $$$ being miniscule.
I don't really enjoy taking part in back and forth's but wanted to drop this in here as it concerned me at first.

https://lawandcrime.com/covid-19-pandemic/major-producer-of-hydroxychloroquine-once-paid-michael-cohen-hefty-sum-for-access-to-trump/

President Donald Trump on Sunday once again touted the potential life-saving benefits of treating coronavirus patients with hydroxychloroquine, a powerful anti-malaria drug, despite a dearth of medical professionals or clinical evidence supporting his claims. It just so happens that one of the largest manufacturers of the drug, Novartis, previously paid Trump’s now-incarcerated former personal attorney Michael Cohen more than $1 million for healthcare policy insight following Trump’s election in 2016.

The Swiss drug maker signed a contract that paid Cohen’s newly formed limited-liability corporation Essential Consultants $100,000 per month in February of 2017. After details of the deal were leaked by the now-jailed Michael Avenatti, whose then-client Stormy Daniels was engaged in a legal dispute with the president, the company’s CEO issued a public apology saying Novartis “made a mistake” in contracting with the president’s personal attorney.

Clean wrote:Thanks to you all for your well wishes for my mother. She was fighting hard till the end but she finally lost her battle with Covid-19 this morning. This is my 1st close family death so I have no idea where to go from here but I just wanted to say thanks for all your well wishes. Please Stay Safe!

Man, I am so sorry.