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Re-do the Knicks 2019 offseason (with hindsight!)
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smackeddog
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2/28/2020  12:04 PM
Inspired after ranting on another thread, why not post how you would have done the 2019 offseason differently.

Mine would be:

-Take on Betrans from the Spurs (he ended up going to the Wizards to clear space to sign Morris)
- Then laugh at the Spurs and sign Morris to the contract we gave Randle, or just a one year if he'd prefer
- Do the deal with the Warriors that the Griz did (take on Iggy's £17mil for the Warriors 2024 pick
- Do the sign and trade with the Bucks that the Pacers did, (sending the 2024 Warriors pick and signing him for $20mil per).
- sign Markief Morris to the deal he took with the Pistons ($3.6mil for 2 years)
-Sign Bullock to the same deal he got
- trade DSJ for whatever you can get

That would give us a line up of:

C- Mitch, Markief Morris
PF- Marcus Morris, Morris, Knox
SF- Betrans, Knox, Bullock
SG- RJ, Dotson, Trier
PG- Brogdon, Frank, Allen

(I know Brogdon is having a down year shooting wise), that gives lots of spacing round RJ and Mitch, sorts out PG and at least it makes sense as a team instead of the mess we ended up with!)

Our salary would be:

Marcus Morris: $18mil
Brogdon: $20mil
Iggy: $17mil (see if you can get what the Griz got for him)
Markief Morris: $3.6mil
Bertans: $7mil
RJ: $8mil
Noah's salary: $6.4mil
Frank: $5mil
Knox: $4mil
Bullock: $4mil
Trier: $3.5mil
Dotson: $1.6mil
Mitch: $1.5mil

would still have up to $7mil to get another PF/C.

Still wouldn't make the playoffs, but at least the shooting would help out RJ, and would be nice to build on.

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2/28/2020  1:45 PM
Malcolm has been slumping pretty badly. I'm not sure if he's hurt or is just regressing to the mean, but I'm not sure I'd give him $20 mil a year.
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2/28/2020  1:46 PM
Brogdan was a sign and trade. The Bucks got 3 picks from the Pacers, including a 1st round pick. We couldn't have signed him outright...
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2/28/2020  2:02 PM
First of all I would have started off by firing Fizdale right after the previous season ended or soon as they struck out on FAs. I would not of added four power forwards. I wouldn’t have even offered Ellington or Bullock contracts. I would have added Morris and Gibson and stopped right there. Made conscious effort to build the young players. Mitch, RJ, Knox, Frank, Dotson, Trier and Smith.

Anyways the Knicks as an organization is ass backwards they the Management are always f’ing things up because they are more responding to job security than building a team. This year went up in smoke once again because of management job security in that process the players get screwed especially the development of young players.

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2/28/2020  2:06 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/28/2020  2:08 PM
The guy I wanted and still would take is Rozier. I know he's nothing special, but instead of Randle, I would have given that one multi-year contract to Rozier because he hits threes at a high rate and plays D. He's a great fit next to Barrett. With the benefit of true hindsight, stealing Bertans from SA and signing Morris would be ideal too. The Gibson deal was fine too, because he's a leader. Stay away from Portis, Payton, Ellington, and Randle. We wouldn't be world beaters, but if you're building a team around Barrett and Mitch, then adding Rozier, Morris, and Bertans is a start. 3 high level shooters. If Bertans isn't an option, i'd just start Knox and live with the result until we really know what we have there. The way I see it we have learned nothing about him this year with such a short leash and blocking his reps.

C Robinson/Gibson
F Bertans/Knox
F Morris/Dotson/Brazdeikis
G Barrett/Trier
G Rozier/Ntilikina/Smith

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2/28/2020  2:33 PM
Uptown wrote:Brogdan was a sign and trade. The Bucks got 3 picks from the Pacers, including a 1st round pick. We couldn't have signed him outright...

That’s why I said I would have sent the picks the griz received from the warriors

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2/28/2020  2:36 PM
Knixkik wrote:The guy I wanted and still would take is Rozier. I know he's nothing special, but instead of Randle, I would have given that one multi-year contract to Rozier because he hits threes at a high rate and plays D. He's a great fit next to Barrett. With the benefit of true hindsight, stealing Bertans from SA and signing Morris would be ideal too. The Gibson deal was fine too, because he's a leader. Stay away from Portis, Payton, Ellington, and Randle. We wouldn't be world beaters, but if you're building a team around Barrett and Mitch, then adding Rozier, Morris, and Bertans is a start. 3 high level shooters. If Bertans isn't an option, i'd just start Knox and live with the result until we really know what we have there. The way I see it we have learned nothing about him this year with such a short leash and blocking his reps.

C Robinson/Gibson
F Bertans/Knox
F Morris/Dotson/Brazdeikis
G Barrett/Trier
G Rozier/Ntilikina/Smith

I’d rather Markieff Morris than Gibson (he was only $3.6mil vs Taj’s $9mil)

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2/28/2020  3:56 PM
This was a **** show from day one and anyone who didn't see it either wasn't looking or had their head up their ass

Morris was the only thing I wouldn't change and he fell into our lap

I would have pursued Iguodala. Got assets for absorbing him and then flip him at the deadline

In the offseason, I would have pursued Russell to pair with Randle. But seeing what the Warriors got for him I would flipped him at the deadline too

In short, I would have been honest that we were gonna suck donkey dong this year and done what I could have to get picks this year and next. Stocked up the d league as much as possible and when guys got shown the door hope to catch lightning in a bottle

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2/28/2020  4:28 PM
Vmart wrote:First of all I would have started off by firing Fizdale right after the previous season ended or soon as they struck out on FAs. I would not of added four power forwards. I wouldn’t have even offered Ellington or Bullock contracts. I would have added Morris and Gibson and stopped right there. Made conscious effort to build the young players. Mitch, RJ, Knox, Frank, Dotson, Trier and Smith.

Anyways the Knicks as an organization is ass backwards they the Management are always f’ing things up because they are more responding to job security than building a team. This year went up in smoke once again because of management job security in that process the players get screwed especially the development of young players.

+1

Interesting was how some said that you cannot develop young players without adding vets and players to win. How did that go? We added a whole bunch of sub par players with NO upside and sacrificed playing time for the guys we needed to develop and build up. Knox's, Trier's, Dotson's, Smith's and Frank's confidence and desire to be here are probably at all time lows. Hey, at least we have 17 wins though. Seems worth it.

Payton, Portis, Bullock, Mo, Ellington, Taj are players added to back up an established starting line up and help fill role minutes to help navigate through the playoffs. Not to show young players how to win. Bringing those vets in to take the youngins minutes made no sense. Now we have Miller trying to prove that he can coach and playing all of them most of the minutes. Hopefully when Rose comes in he changes the directive.

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2/28/2020  4:40 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/28/2020  4:44 PM
HofstraBBall wrote:
Vmart wrote:First of all I would have started off by firing Fizdale right after the previous season ended or soon as they struck out on FAs. I would not of added four power forwards. I wouldn’t have even offered Ellington or Bullock contracts. I would have added Morris and Gibson and stopped right there. Made conscious effort to build the young players. Mitch, RJ, Knox, Frank, Dotson, Trier and Smith.

Anyways the Knicks as an organization is ass backwards they the Management are always f’ing things up because they are more responding to job security than building a team. This year went up in smoke once again because of management job security in that process the players get screwed especially the development of young players.

+1

Interesting was how some said that you cannot develop young players without adding vets and players to win. How did that go? We added a whole bunch of sub par players with NO upside and sacrificed playing time for the guys we needed to develop and build up. Knox's, Trier's, Dotson's, Smith's and Frank's confidence and desire to be here are probably at all time lows. Hey, at least we have 17 wins though. Seems worth it.

Payton, Portis, Bullock, Mo, Ellington, Taj are players added to back up an established starting line up and help fill role minutes to help navigate through the playoffs. Not to show young players how to win. Bringing those vets in to take the youngins minutes made no sense. Now we have Miller trying to prove that he can coach and playing all of them most of the minutes. Hopefully when Rose comes in he changes the directive.

+1000000

Been saying this for most of the year. Not only does this season feel like a complete waste in terms of development, but it set us back a year. We hit the reset button on the front office again and now we brace for another direction. Hopefully it involves rebuilding...

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2/28/2020  4:47 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/28/2020  4:57 PM
Uptown wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
Vmart wrote:First of all I would have started off by firing Fizdale right after the previous season ended or soon as they struck out on FAs. I would not of added four power forwards. I wouldn’t have even offered Ellington or Bullock contracts. I would have added Morris and Gibson and stopped right there. Made conscious effort to build the young players. Mitch, RJ, Knox, Frank, Dotson, Trier and Smith.

Anyways the Knicks as an organization is ass backwards they the Management are always f’ing things up because they are more responding to job security than building a team. This year went up in smoke once again because of management job security in that process the players get screwed especially the development of young players.

+1

Interesting was how some said that you cannot develop young players without adding vets and players to win. How did that go? We added a whole bunch of sub par players with NO upside and sacrificed playing time for the guys we needed to develop and build up. Knox's, Trier's, Dotson's, Smith's and Frank's confidence and desire to be here are probably at all time lows. Hey, at least we have 17 wins though. Seems worth it.

Payton, Portis, Bullock, Mo, Ellington, Taj are players added to back up an established starting line up and help fill role minutes to help navigate through the playoffs. Not to show young players how to win. Bringing those vets in to take the youngins minutes made no sense. Now we have Miller trying to prove that he can coach and playing all of them most of the minutes. Hopefully when Rose comes in he changes the directive.

+1000000

Been saying this for most of the year. Not only does this season feel like a complete waste in terms of development, but it set us back a year. We hit the reset button on the front office again and now we brace for another direction. Hopefully it involves rebuilding...

The annoying thing is that Perry tried exactly the same stunt with the Kings in 2017 (overpaid Zach Randolph, vince carter and George hill) and it also didn’t work- I don’t get why he didn’t learn from that experience. even the contracts were the same!:

The Sacramento Kings announced Monday that they have signed swingman Vince Carter, forward Zach Randolph and guard George Hill, making official what had been reported earlier.

The 40-year-old Carter, who is the NBA's oldest active player, agreed to a one-year, $8 million deal, according to multiple media reports.

Last season with the Memphis Grizzlies, Carter averaged 8.0 points and 3.1 rebounds in 24.6 minutes per game.

The eight-time All-Star ranks 22nd on the league's all-time scoring list with 24,555 career points.

Hill agreed to a three-year, $57 million deal, according to reports. He averaged a career-best 16.9 points and 4.2 assists for the Utah Jazz last season. He played in just 49 games due to an assortment of injuries.

Hill declined a wealthier offer from the Jazz during the season and seemed intent on departing.

Randolph reached agreement on a two-year, $24 million deal and reunites with Dave Joerger, his former coach with the Grizzlies.

https://www.upi.com/Sports_News/NBA/2017/07/10/NBA-Sacramento-Kings-officially-sign-Vince-Carter-Zach-Randolph-George-Hill/5391499723612/

Randolph didn’t play the second year and ended up getting traded, George hill became quickly disgruntled and played like trash, getting traded to the cavs a few months later (for end of career joe Johnson and shumpert).

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2/28/2020  4:57 PM
smackeddog wrote:
Uptown wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
Vmart wrote:First of all I would have started off by firing Fizdale right after the previous season ended or soon as they struck out on FAs. I would not of added four power forwards. I wouldn’t have even offered Ellington or Bullock contracts. I would have added Morris and Gibson and stopped right there. Made conscious effort to build the young players. Mitch, RJ, Knox, Frank, Dotson, Trier and Smith.

Anyways the Knicks as an organization is ass backwards they the Management are always f’ing things up because they are more responding to job security than building a team. This year went up in smoke once again because of management job security in that process the players get screwed especially the development of young players.

+1

Interesting was how some said that you cannot develop young players without adding vets and players to win. How did that go? We added a whole bunch of sub par players with NO upside and sacrificed playing time for the guys we needed to develop and build up. Knox's, Trier's, Dotson's, Smith's and Frank's confidence and desire to be here are probably at all time lows. Hey, at least we have 17 wins though. Seems worth it.

Payton, Portis, Bullock, Mo, Ellington, Taj are players added to back up an established starting line up and help fill role minutes to help navigate through the playoffs. Not to show young players how to win. Bringing those vets in to take the youngins minutes made no sense. Now we have Miller trying to prove that he can coach and playing all of them most of the minutes. Hopefully when Rose comes in he changes the directive.

+1000000

Been saying this for most of the year. Not only does this season feel like a complete waste in terms of development, but it set us back a year. We hit the reset button on the front office again and now we brace for another direction. Hopefully it involves rebuilding...

The annoying thing is that Perry tried exactly the same stunt with the Kings (overpaid Zach Randolph, vince carter and George hill) and it also didn’t work- I don’t get why he didn’t learn from that experience

When you sign 1 year mercenaries, typically their 1st priority is their next big contract, not necessarily trying to mentor our youth. Not sure why the front office thought signing a bunch of journeymen would mesh well with our young players.

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2/28/2020  5:04 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/28/2020  5:05 PM
Uptown wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
Uptown wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
Vmart wrote:First of all I would have started off by firing Fizdale right after the previous season ended or soon as they struck out on FAs. I would not of added four power forwards. I wouldn’t have even offered Ellington or Bullock contracts. I would have added Morris and Gibson and stopped right there. Made conscious effort to build the young players. Mitch, RJ, Knox, Frank, Dotson, Trier and Smith.

Anyways the Knicks as an organization is ass backwards they the Management are always f’ing things up because they are more responding to job security than building a team. This year went up in smoke once again because of management job security in that process the players get screwed especially the development of young players.

+1

Interesting was how some said that you cannot develop young players without adding vets and players to win. How did that go? We added a whole bunch of sub par players with NO upside and sacrificed playing time for the guys we needed to develop and build up. Knox's, Trier's, Dotson's, Smith's and Frank's confidence and desire to be here are probably at all time lows. Hey, at least we have 17 wins though. Seems worth it.

Payton, Portis, Bullock, Mo, Ellington, Taj are players added to back up an established starting line up and help fill role minutes to help navigate through the playoffs. Not to show young players how to win. Bringing those vets in to take the youngins minutes made no sense. Now we have Miller trying to prove that he can coach and playing all of them most of the minutes. Hopefully when Rose comes in he changes the directive.

+1000000

Been saying this for most of the year. Not only does this season feel like a complete waste in terms of development, but it set us back a year. We hit the reset button on the front office again and now we brace for another direction. Hopefully it involves rebuilding...

The annoying thing is that Perry tried exactly the same stunt with the Kings (overpaid Zach Randolph, vince carter and George hill) and it also didn’t work- I don’t get why he didn’t learn from that experience

When you sign 1 year mercenaries, typically their 1st priority is their next big contract, not necessarily trying to mentor our youth. Not sure why the front office thought signing a bunch of journeymen would mesh well with our young players.

I mean look at what happened with George hill, same **** :

Among the Kings’ offseason free agent acquisitions, George Hill was thought to be the real catch, a cerebral, veteran point guard still in his physical prime and presumably comfortable with the somewhat unconventional job description.


Opinion
For three years and $57 million – with the third year partially guaranteed – Hill signed on to nurture rookies De’Aaron Fox and Frank Mason III, demonstrate how to play the NBA’s most demanding position and help choreograph phase one of a massive rebuild.

In theory, that sounds great. In practice, this has been a complete mismatch.

As the Kings season descends into outright bizarro-land, with double-digit losses to weak opponents from Memphis, Phoenix and Charlotte squeezed around an impressive victory over the Cleveland Cavaliers, Hill too seldom has been that steady hand, the consistent floor leader who calms and inspires, most notably in the worst of times.

Coming off an excellent season with the Utah Jazz, the nine-year pro’s scoring average declined from 16.9 points per game to 10.1 and assists from 4.2 to 2.7, with additional dropoffs in advanced metrics such as player efficiency and true shooting percentage. Most revealing, perhaps, is the on-court demeanor. He often appears disengaged, dispirited, a half-step slow.

And before anyone starts screaming into the Twittersphere, Hill says it himself: This is not George Hill

Very frustrating,” he said. “I’ve never been through anything like this, not ever. It’s not what I expected, a little more difficult than I anticipated. I think as a team we all get along. We like being around each other, like doing things together. But we’re still trying to learn each other, and it’s a different style of play. I’ve just got to figure things out.”

Throughout most of his career, Hill has been a versatile combo guard on squads that featured one or more primary scorers. He played his first three seasons in San Antonio with Tim Duncan, Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili, teamed with Paul George for the better part of five seasons in Indiana, and spent last year alongside Gordon Hayward, the All-Star forward who bolted for Boston after the playoffs.

In Sacramento, the long-limbed, 6-foot-3 Hill has been asked to play both guard positions and adapt on the fly to frequent lineup changes and contrasting combinations.

“Whatever they ask me to do is fine,” Hill insists. “We’re trying to develop the young guys, get them on the court. You’re going to have bumps and bruises when you have so many young guys with only one year of experience or less. My thing is, when you play a team like the Spurs, learn to play the right way. They commit, they talk, they screen hard. They get into their man. Become better by learning.”

All of that is true, as is this: The Kings are young, overloaded with shooting guards and big men, short on small forwards, short on elite talent overall. Progress this season will be measured in baby steps, by effort, improvement, individual development. But none of that explains the Kings’ low energy level on recent nights, and particularly of late, a stunning lack of interest in defending the perimeter or the interior. Against the offensively challenged Hornets on Tuesday, for instance, the Kings forced a mere three turnovers and scored exactly three fast-break points.

“When you play a little faster,” said coach Dave Joerger, “and you hear me all the time, ‘Go, go, we gotta go, we’re just too slow.’ There are times as a young team where we score then we relax defensively, or we’re playing faster and we relax defensively. It’s like, ‘Your turn, our turn, your turn, our turn.’ We just started out too slow (Tuesday).”

Therein lies at least a clue to Hill’s uneven performances. Kings general manager Vlade Divac is starting to assemble a roster designed to flourish in today’s NBA game of pace, ball and body movement, slick-shooting wings and mobile forwards. But this is only the beginning, and even in his early years, Hill was never one for a freewheeling game.

https://www.sacbee.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/ailene-voisin/article192868559.html#storylink=cpy

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2/28/2020  9:50 PM
You also forgot about the part where we resigned Melo. But don't worry, Leon will fix that
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2/29/2020  6:25 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/29/2020  6:39 AM
Uptown wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
Uptown wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
Vmart wrote:First of all I would have started off by firing Fizdale right after the previous season ended or soon as they struck out on FAs. I would not of added four power forwards. I wouldn’t have even offered Ellington or Bullock contracts. I would have added Morris and Gibson and stopped right there. Made conscious effort to build the young players. Mitch, RJ, Knox, Frank, Dotson, Trier and Smith.

Anyways the Knicks as an organization is ass backwards they the Management are always f’ing things up because they are more responding to job security than building a team. This year went up in smoke once again because of management job security in that process the players get screwed especially the development of young players.

+1

Interesting was how some said that you cannot develop young players without adding vets and players to win. How did that go? We added a whole bunch of sub par players with NO upside and sacrificed playing time for the guys we needed to develop and build up. Knox's, Trier's, Dotson's, Smith's and Frank's confidence and desire to be here are probably at all time lows. Hey, at least we have 17 wins though. Seems worth it.

Payton, Portis, Bullock, Mo, Ellington, Taj are players added to back up an established starting line up and help fill role minutes to help navigate through the playoffs. Not to show young players how to win. Bringing those vets in to take the youngins minutes made no sense. Now we have Miller trying to prove that he can coach and playing all of them most of the minutes. Hopefully when Rose comes in he changes the directive.

+1000000

Been saying this for most of the year. Not only does this season feel like a complete waste in terms of development, but it set us back a year. We hit the reset button on the front office again and now we brace for another direction. Hopefully it involves rebuilding...

The annoying thing is that Perry tried exactly the same stunt with the Kings (overpaid Zach Randolph, vince carter and George hill) and it also didn’t work- I don’t get why he didn’t learn from that experience

When you sign 1 year mercenaries, typically their 1st priority is their next big contract, not necessarily trying to mentor our youth. Not sure why the front office thought signing a bunch of journeymen would mesh well with our young players.

The biggest problem was signing 7 guys who all expected to play a lot. If you only sign 3, let’s say Morris, Gibson and Rozier than it makes sense because they all fit with the current young core and fill a role.

The Rozier situation annoys me. He wanted to come here. They want to give Randle the 3 year deal but not the 25 year old Rozier who can shoot and defend and is an excellent fit alongside Barrett. Our front office only likes PGs who can’t shoot.

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2/29/2020  9:42 AM
Knixkik wrote:
Uptown wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
Uptown wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
Vmart wrote:First of all I would have started off by firing Fizdale right after the previous season ended or soon as they struck out on FAs. I would not of added four power forwards. I wouldn’t have even offered Ellington or Bullock contracts. I would have added Morris and Gibson and stopped right there. Made conscious effort to build the young players. Mitch, RJ, Knox, Frank, Dotson, Trier and Smith.

Anyways the Knicks as an organization is ass backwards they the Management are always f’ing things up because they are more responding to job security than building a team. This year went up in smoke once again because of management job security in that process the players get screwed especially the development of young players.

+1

Interesting was how some said that you cannot develop young players without adding vets and players to win. How did that go? We added a whole bunch of sub par players with NO upside and sacrificed playing time for the guys we needed to develop and build up. Knox's, Trier's, Dotson's, Smith's and Frank's confidence and desire to be here are probably at all time lows. Hey, at least we have 17 wins though. Seems worth it.

Payton, Portis, Bullock, Mo, Ellington, Taj are players added to back up an established starting line up and help fill role minutes to help navigate through the playoffs. Not to show young players how to win. Bringing those vets in to take the youngins minutes made no sense. Now we have Miller trying to prove that he can coach and playing all of them most of the minutes. Hopefully when Rose comes in he changes the directive.

+1000000

Been saying this for most of the year. Not only does this season feel like a complete waste in terms of development, but it set us back a year. We hit the reset button on the front office again and now we brace for another direction. Hopefully it involves rebuilding...

The annoying thing is that Perry tried exactly the same stunt with the Kings (overpaid Zach Randolph, vince carter and George hill) and it also didn’t work- I don’t get why he didn’t learn from that experience

When you sign 1 year mercenaries, typically their 1st priority is their next big contract, not necessarily trying to mentor our youth. Not sure why the front office thought signing a bunch of journeymen would mesh well with our young players.

The biggest problem was signing 7 guys who all expected to play a lot. If you only sign 3, let’s say Morris, Gibson and Rozier than it makes sense because they all fit with the current young core and fill a role.

The Rozier situation annoys me. He wanted to come here. They want to give Randle the 3 year deal but not the 25 year old Rozier who can shoot and defend and is an excellent fit alongside Barrett. Our front office only likes PGs who can’t shoot.

Over the summer I thought Rozier’s deal was bad but with hindsight the money would have been so much better spent on him instead of Randle.
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2/29/2020  9:50 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/29/2020  9:50 AM
CrushAlot wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
Uptown wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
Uptown wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
Vmart wrote:First of all I would have started off by firing Fizdale right after the previous season ended or soon as they struck out on FAs. I would not of added four power forwards. I wouldn’t have even offered Ellington or Bullock contracts. I would have added Morris and Gibson and stopped right there. Made conscious effort to build the young players. Mitch, RJ, Knox, Frank, Dotson, Trier and Smith.

Anyways the Knicks as an organization is ass backwards they the Management are always f’ing things up because they are more responding to job security than building a team. This year went up in smoke once again because of management job security in that process the players get screwed especially the development of young players.

+1

Interesting was how some said that you cannot develop young players without adding vets and players to win. How did that go? We added a whole bunch of sub par players with NO upside and sacrificed playing time for the guys we needed to develop and build up. Knox's, Trier's, Dotson's, Smith's and Frank's confidence and desire to be here are probably at all time lows. Hey, at least we have 17 wins though. Seems worth it.

Payton, Portis, Bullock, Mo, Ellington, Taj are players added to back up an established starting line up and help fill role minutes to help navigate through the playoffs. Not to show young players how to win. Bringing those vets in to take the youngins minutes made no sense. Now we have Miller trying to prove that he can coach and playing all of them most of the minutes. Hopefully when Rose comes in he changes the directive.

+1000000

Been saying this for most of the year. Not only does this season feel like a complete waste in terms of development, but it set us back a year. We hit the reset button on the front office again and now we brace for another direction. Hopefully it involves rebuilding...

The annoying thing is that Perry tried exactly the same stunt with the Kings (overpaid Zach Randolph, vince carter and George hill) and it also didn’t work- I don’t get why he didn’t learn from that experience

When you sign 1 year mercenaries, typically their 1st priority is their next big contract, not necessarily trying to mentor our youth. Not sure why the front office thought signing a bunch of journeymen would mesh well with our young players.

The biggest problem was signing 7 guys who all expected to play a lot. If you only sign 3, let’s say Morris, Gibson and Rozier than it makes sense because they all fit with the current young core and fill a role.

The Rozier situation annoys me. He wanted to come here. They want to give Randle the 3 year deal but not the 25 year old Rozier who can shoot and defend and is an excellent fit alongside Barrett. Our front office only likes PGs who can’t shoot.

Over the summer I thought Rozier’s deal was bad but with hindsight the money would have been so much better spent on him instead of Randle.

Yeah Rozier isn’t anything special but I thought for a rebuilding team in need of improved guard play and improved 3pt shooting he was a great option. So think of it this way; the Knicks added Randle to get that 18-20 ppg, Payton to provide a steady PG option and Ellington to be a 3pt sniper. So 3 players when you can have all of those things in Rozier. He will give you 18 ppg, knock down 2-3 threes at a 38-40% clip and solidify the PG position and is only 25. And he wanted to be here.

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2/29/2020  10:00 AM
i called all of this out in the beginning of the season, arguing we should absorb bad contracts when we got skunked (i also didn't want KD and Kyrie -- though would have loved Kawhi) and several members on this forum were highly critical (including some now having revisionist history)

compounding the problem is that several of the vets are dumb and IMO don't teach younger guys how to play (looking at you Randle and Portis)

Of all the vets I have been most pleasantly surprised by Payton. I was super critical of the signing but he's the one guy where i think FO was actually right. Now if he could only stay healthy and develop a shot...

Also didn't realize about the Sacramento redux. Oh man that stings

i had called out Perry for his prior stints and a lot of folks on this board tried to say no fair. he wasn't GM making final calls at those prior stints (apparently these posters thinking it was better to argue he had no prior senior experience than to admit it was bad)

So now we know that not only does Perry like to rehire his past busts (e.g., Hezonja, Payton) but he replays bad tactics (stuff a roster with over the hill or mediocre vets)

We are headed exactly where i predicted in the beginning of the season, a complete tear down again. And as others have posted we lost this year for development, setting us back. Hopefully we don't compound the mistakes by trying to squeeze out a few more wins

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