You overrate him.

But the message it sent the team was the season is over. That is a really tough thing to overcome as a player and as a coach.

Morris reminds me of Sprewell- a guy that I would love to have next to me in a dark alley. There was a bravado to him.

And that, I think, was worth more as a team mate than his points and rebounds.

knicks1248 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Probably just as bad as the KP trade..

Team plays with no confidence, they play like a person who goes to work and is not passionate about his job, just pays the bills,..win or lose.

The vibe around mike miller is dying, especially after the stout lip service interview on ESPN ANDand the thiBs rumors, then you trade his life line in morris just like they traded fiz life line in KP..

Your youth is stuck in a losing dysfunctional environment..

Can't believe perry would do that..he really sucks

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How can you judge a trade where the primary return was a draft pick, before you've seen the outcome of the draft pick? Remember when we traded Melo and thought we got nothing back, but ended up drafting Mitch with the second rounder we got?

OKC got Shroder a yr later. Mitch is ok, but he's not winning any games for us, and teams are going so small these days that the center position is almost a non factor. Randle and Mitch are pretty bad when on the floor together, the spacing is brutal.

If you think that 27th pick was worth sacrificing the development of your current lottery picks, and bringing more instability to the roster, thats on you. But if the 27th pick has to deal with the kind of development that these current guys are dealing with, how can you possibly get excited about that?

Keeping Morris around (a guy who emphatically stated he wanted to be here, a guy with good habits, clutch genes, and played with a NY mentality, a guy all your youngs guys looked up to) would have been a better option..

And how do you let a guy (perry) who has little to no future with your organization going forward dictate the direction of the team....smh. These are the same moves perry made with the Magic..

Perry was assistant GM.
Our record with Morris was far from good. You harp on Mitch not winning games, well, was Morris? Granted he was our best player, but that the ceiling you want? Not sure where your going with this. What price do you want Morris for next year? He played with a "NY mentality"? what is that? Some convoluted starphuch? He was Grumpy like Oak? That?
If Perry is not beyond this season, then it was not his call to trade morris. So the lame duck ramble you spew is not relevant. If he is staying in some capacity then he was part of a process that wanted the assets.
Morris wanted to be here. He said so. Every player with a expiring contract says the same thing.
OKC got Schroeder? OK. What was that point?

Knixkik wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Probably just as bad as the KP trade..

Team plays with no confidence, they play like a person who goes to work and is not passionate about his job, just pays the bills,..win or lose.

The vibe around mike miller is dying, especially after the stout lip service interview on ESPN ANDand the thiBs rumors, then you trade his life line in morris just like they traded fiz life line in KP..

Your youth is stuck in a losing dysfunctional environment..

Can't believe perry would do that..he really sucks

,

How can you judge a trade where the primary return was a draft pick, before you've seen the outcome of the draft pick? Remember when we traded Melo and thought we got nothing back, but ended up drafting Mitch with the second rounder we got?

OKC got Shroder a yr later. Mitch is ok, but he's not winning any games for us, and teams are going so small these days that the center position is almost a non factor. Randle and Mitch are pretty bad when on the floor together, the spacing is brutal.

If you think that 27th pick was worth sacrificing the development of your current lottery picks, and bringing more instability to the roster, thats on you. But if the 27th pick has to deal with the kind of development that these current guys are dealing with, how can you possibly get excited about that?

Keeping Morris around (a guy who emphatically stated he wanted to be here, a guy with good habits, clutch genes, and played with a NY mentality, a guy all your youngs guys looked up to) would have been a better option..

And how do you let a guy (perry) who has little to no future with your organization going forward dictate the direction of the team....smh. These are the same moves perry made with the Magic..

Randle and Mitch not being a fit together isn't on Mitch. You put Morris at the 4, or say sign someone like Gallinari then Mitch is able to do what he does best and we get better.

I'd rather of signed Morris to Randles contract- at least that would have made sense fit wise (a shooter next to Mitch), and used cap space go get a first.

Knixkik wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Probably just as bad as the KP trade..

Team plays with no confidence, they play like a person who goes to work and is not passionate about his job, just pays the bills,..win or lose.

The vibe around mike miller is dying, especially after the stout lip service interview on ESPN ANDand the thiBs rumors, then you trade his life line in morris just like they traded fiz life line in KP..

Your youth is stuck in a losing dysfunctional environment..

Can't believe perry would do that..he really sucks

,

How can you judge a trade where the primary return was a draft pick, before you've seen the outcome of the draft pick? Remember when we traded Melo and thought we got nothing back, but ended up drafting Mitch with the second rounder we got?

OKC got Shroder a yr later. Mitch is ok, but he's not winning any games for us, and teams are going so small these days that the center position is almost a non factor. Randle and Mitch are pretty bad when on the floor together, the spacing is brutal.

If you think that 27th pick was worth sacrificing the development of your current lottery picks, and bringing more instability to the roster, thats on you. But if the 27th pick has to deal with the kind of development that these current guys are dealing with, how can you possibly get excited about that?

Keeping Morris around (a guy who emphatically stated he wanted to be here, a guy with good habits, clutch genes, and played with a NY mentality, a guy all your youngs guys looked up to) would have been a better option..

And how do you let a guy (perry) who has little to no future with your organization going forward dictate the direction of the team....smh. These are the same moves perry made with the Magic..

Randle and Mitch not being a fit together isn't on Mitch. You put Morris at the 4, or say sign someone like Gallinari then Mitch is able to do what he does best and we get better.

your right, but do the knicks ever complete a balance roster..KP would have been the perfect fit next to Mitch, morris is much better fit next to mitch

The NBA is perimeter game and mitch isn't a perimeter player, not not mention his development is at a snails pace.

So its all about perspective. You can bemoan the lost season or take the long view that the season was lost anyway.

When you are a seller OF COURSE THE TRADE DOES DAMAGE to your current squad.

But you do it for the GOOD of the team in the future.

If you hate giving up assets for deferred potential then you're more of a COACH-type than a GM-type fan.

Nothing wrong with that. But you'll be called short-sighted, because that's what this thread is.

Vmart wrote:The Knicks kept the wrong guy. They should have moved Randle. In today’s NBA Morris was an ideal stretch four. Randle is okay he is a turn over machine and atrocious three point shooter. Knicks1248 is right though we had management making stupid desperate moves that basically makes sure the young players are always behind on the development curve.

I don't think I agreed with any move mills made his entire tenure other than the Morris signing. (i cant believe im saying this) but i wish they kept him on long enough to make the Russel trade.

I'm betting Perry gets fired or reassigned to other duties the minute Leon signs on..