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SNY: Opposing execs expect Rich Cho to be considered for next Knicks president Leon Rose's staff
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BigDaddyG
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2/15/2020  11:57 AM

This guy's was highly touted in Portland. I think ownerships belt tightening played a huge role in his failure in Charlotte.

Cho, currently an executive with the Memphis Grizzlies, is believed to have a solid relationship with Rose.

That's one reason why those opposing execs see Cho as someone to keep an eye on when it comes to potential additions under Rose.

Cho is the vice president of basketball strategy with the Grizzlies. Cho was previously the general manager in Charlotte for parts of six seasons. He also served as GM in Portland and started his career with the then Seattle SuperSonics, where he rose to assistant GM.

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2/15/2020  12:11 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:

This guy's was highly touted in Portland. I think ownerships belt tightening played a huge role in his failure in Charlotte.

Cho, currently an executive with the Memphis Grizzlies, is believed to have a solid relationship with Rose.

That's one reason why those opposing execs see Cho as someone to keep an eye on when it comes to potential additions under Rose.

Cho is the vice president of basketball strategy with the Grizzlies. Cho was previously the general manager in Charlotte for parts of six seasons. He also served as GM in Portland and started his career with the then Seattle SuperSonics, where he rose to assistant GM.

Nearly every move he made in Charlotte was awful, not sure if you can realistically blame ownership (handed out some awful contracts that are still on the books)

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2/15/2020  12:22 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/15/2020  12:37 PM
Awful draft record:

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/charlotte-hornets/article157516184.html


2017

Malik Monk

2016

Malachi Richardson (Syracuse, guard, 1st round, 22nd pick): Rights were traded to Sacramento in exchange for Marco Belinelli, who was traded this week to Atlanta as part of the Dwight Howard deal. Richardson averaged 3.6 points and nine minutes a game for the Kings as a rookie.

2015

*Frank Kaminsky (Wisconsin, forward/center, 1st round, ninth pick): The 7-footer averaged 26 minutes and 11.7 points per game last season. The Observer’s Rick Bonnell thinks that Kaminsky will need to develop into a more efficient defender. For the second-guessers, Justise Winslow , Myles Turner and Devon Booker were drafted after Kaminsky.

Juan Vaulet (Argentina, guard, 2nd round, 39th overall): Draft rights traded to Brooklyn. Vaulet, 21, still in Argentina, plays for Weber Bahia in that country’s top pro league.

2014

Noah Vonleh (Indiana, forward, 1st round, ninth pick): Traded to Portland in June 2015 along with Gerald Henderson for Nicolas Batum. Vonleh averaged 4.4 points and 17 minutes a game for the Trail Blazers last season.

Shabazz Napier (Connecticut, guard, 1st round, 24th pick): Rights traded to Miami on draft day in exchange for the Heat’s draft rights to P.J. Hairston and Semaj Christon. He’s now a backup in Portland.

P.J. Hairston (North Carolina, guard, 1st round, 26th pick): In the NBA, Hairston played an uneven 1 1/2 years with the Hornets, then landed with the Memphis Grizzlies and Toronto Raptors. He’s in the NBA D-League now. He last made news in May, when he was arrested on outstanding warrants in Wrightsville Beach.

Dwight Powell (Stanford, forward, 2nd round, 45th overall: Traded to Cleveland and later to Dallas, he’s done several stints in the D-League as well.

Semaj Christon (Xavier, guard, 2nd round, 55th): Landed with Oklahoma City in draft-day trade; he’s also seen D-League assignments.


2013

*Cody Zeller (Indiana, 1st round, 4th pick): The incumbent starter at center, signed to a lucrative contract extension last fall, has been assured he’ll still be a part of the team’s core after the Dwight Howard trade.

2012

*Michael Kidd-Gilchrist (Kentucky, forward, 1st round, 2nd pick): Known for his defense, Kidd-Gilchrist is still trying to become a consistent scorer. Damian Lillard, Andre Drummond and Draymond Green followed MKG in the draft.

Jeffery Taylor (Vanderbilt, forward, 2nd round, 31st overall): Played three seasons for Charlotte and saw some starts. He’s no longer in the league. Taylor served a 24-game suspension over a domestic-violence incident.

2011

Bismack Biyombo (Democratic Republic of the Congo, 1st round, 7th pick): Rights acquired from Sacramento in a three-team trade. Biyombo signed with Toronto as an unrestricted free agent in 2015 and signed a four-year deal last season with Orlando. Future stars Klay Thompson and Kawhi Leonard were drafted after Biyombo and Walker.

*Kemba Walker (Connecticut, guard, 1st round, 9th pick): Generally considered Charlotte’s best player, Walker made the All-Star team last season while leading the Hornets in scoring and minutes.

Tobias Harris (Tennessee, forward, 1st round, 19th pick): Traded to the Milwaukee Bucks on draft night and then to Orlando in February 2013. Now with the Detroit Pistons, he was named a full-time starter in March.

Jeremy Tyler (Tokyo Apache, center, 2nd round, 39th overall): Rights traded to Golden State, where he started in his final rookie month. He’s now playing in China


Awful transactions:


With Charlotte, Cho’s draft record is mixed at best: the Hornets got Walker in his first draft, but it’s hard to say how much of that was his doing, considering he had been on the job for just nine days. And beyond Kemba, there hasn’t been a real success for Charlotte in the draft. Michael Kidd-Gilchrist and Cody Zeller seemed like quality picks at the time and have turned into valuable players, but neither is a star. Noah Vonleh was a high-upside pick – though he joined an already-crowded frontcourt – that was traded after just one season. It’s too early to judge Malik Monk and Dwayne Bacon, but the latter seems to be a second-round steal.

The worst pick of Cho’s tenure has to go to Frank Kaminsky. Charlotte infamously turned down the Boston Celtics’ offer of several – possibly as many as four – first-round picks to move down seven spots to pick 16, where it’s possible Kaminsky still would’ve been available. The pick of Kaminsky was a strange one for a team that still had a crowded frontcourt, and while players like Justise Winslow and Devin Booker were available. Even if Cho and company had their hearts set on a big man, Myles Turner and Trey Lyles were both more intriguing options than Kaminsky. Even as the former Wisconsin Badger continues to improve in Charlotte, it was a bad pick.


While the beginning of Cho’s tenure was marked with intelligent free agent signings, the more recent returns haven’t been as pleasant. Particularly, the summer of 2016 was a rough one. Coming off of a playoff appearance, the desire was to run it back with the same team and see if they could make it further. Nicolas Batum agreed to a near-max contract that is now among the worst in the league. Marvin Williams, an aging stretch-four, got $54.5 million over four years. The Batum contract was justifiable at the time, but the Williams deal was always too much.

With the limited cap space allowed by those contracts, the Hornets managed to put together a team without a single suitable backup at point guard. Michael Carter-Williams has been a complete bust and Julyan Stone has played seven games. And between Treveon Graham as the lone small forward to back up MKG and Zeller’s seemingly-constant injuries, Charlotte’s roster is devoid of meaningful depth beyond Jeremy Lamb and Kaminsky. That depth is even more impressive considering Walker’s $12 million per year is one of the biggest non-rookie deal bargains in the entire league. Paying your star such a small amount and still managing to have no cap space is no small feat, but Cho and company have pulled it off.

As for the so-called Trader Cho’s supposed strong suit, the results on the trade market have been mixed. Sending the rights to Luke Ridnour and a second-round draft pick to pick up the then-23 high-upside prospect in Jeremy Lamb was a great move, and it’s worked out wonderfully. Sending a first-rounder to the Kings in exchange for Marco Belinelli a year later was bad. Cho managed to a bit to make up for that and another bad trade (Roy Hibbert’s expiring deal and Spencer Hawes’ bargain contract for four years and $50 million dollars of the second-best Plumlee brother) by sending Plumlee and Belinelli to Atlanta in exchange for Dwight Howard.

Even trading Vonleh and Gerald Henderson for Nicolas Batum, who became one of the team’s best and most important players, wasn’t perfect: Vonleh was a high-upside rookie that was never given a real chance in Charlotte. Batum was a talented but often-disappointing player that had one year left on his deal. If the Frenchman wasn’t an instant success in Charlotte, it would’ve been an abysmal swap. As it stands, the team traded an intriguing prospect and a fan favorite for one great year from Batum, one mediocre one, and now a year of an almost comically-bad contract.


https://hashtagbasketball.com/charlotte-hornets/content/rich-cho-hornets

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2/15/2020  12:37 PM
smackeddog wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:

This guy's was highly touted in Portland. I think ownerships belt tightening played a huge role in his failure in Charlotte.

Cho, currently an executive with the Memphis Grizzlies, is believed to have a solid relationship with Rose.

That's one reason why those opposing execs see Cho as someone to keep an eye on when it comes to potential additions under Rose.

Cho is the vice president of basketball strategy with the Grizzlies. Cho was previously the general manager in Charlotte for parts of six seasons. He also served as GM in Portland and started his career with the then Seattle SuperSonics, where he rose to assistant GM.

Nearly every move he made in Charlotte was awful, not sure if you can realistically blame ownership (handed out some awful contracts that are still on the books)


Wow! You're right. Nearly all of his signings are scary. I thought this hire could be a bright spot, but it looks like more of a blackhole. Well, he had a good rep in Portland and is part of the Memphis rebuild.
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2/15/2020  4:42 PM
Again, y’all pretend as if the team owner has no input to how team is run. Jordan been doing the same stupid shyt for years and Choo is not different. Jordan has a bad track record in Washington and with his own team.
He was in Portland just a year. Not sure what his gig is but reading it seems he is more the numbers/contract guy.
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2/15/2020  4:43 PM
Nalod wrote:Again, y’all pretend as if the team owner has no input to how team is run. Jordan been doing the same stupid shyt for years and Choo is not different. Jordan has a bad track record in Washington and with his own team.
He was in Portland just a year. Not sure what his gig is but reading it seems he is more the numbers/contract guy.

Even taking into account ownership, he should have made a few good drafts or trades or signings, the fact he didn’t is worrying

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2/15/2020  4:46 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/15/2020  4:47 PM
smackeddog wrote:
Nalod wrote:Again, y’all pretend as if the team owner has no input to how team is run. Jordan been doing the same stupid shyt for years and Choo is not different. Jordan has a bad track record in Washington and with his own team.
He was in Portland just a year. Not sure what his gig is but reading it seems he is more the numbers/contract guy.

Even taking into account ownership, he should have made a few good drafts or trades or signings, the fact he didn’t is worrying

If you think Jordan is not running the show there your mistaken. He might be delegating with Kupchek now.

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2/15/2020  4:46 PM
Nalod wrote:Again, y’all pretend as if the team owner has no input to how team is run. Jordan been doing the same stupid shyt for years and Choo is not different. Jordan has a bad track record in Washington and with his own team.
He was in Portland just a year. Not sure what his gig is but reading it seems he is more the numbers/contract guy.

I've seen some people but the Batum signing and the Kaminsky/MKG drafts on Jordan. What were you observations being down there, in-between bouts of spitting tobacco lol
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Nalod wrote:Again, y’all pretend as if the team owner has no input to how team is run. Jordan been doing the same stupid shyt for years and Choo is not different. Jordan has a bad track record in Washington and with his own team.
He was in Portland just a year. Not sure what his gig is but reading it seems he is more the numbers/contract guy.

I've seen some people but the Batum signing and the Kaminsky/MKG drafts on Jordan. What were you observations being down there, in-between bouts of spitting tobacco lol

Jordan is uber loyal to his inner circle. The whole Oak thing weird. Guy was not qualified to be on the bench as a coach and had a drinking problem. He has yes men all around him. He makes the picks. Jordan is cheap, he got Cho at a bargain and being a Neophyte he would be grateful for the opportunity. Jordan is beloved in North Carolina. He is a god. Charlotte is a transient city like ATL with a big corporate ticket base. Its a weird experience going to games.

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2/15/2020  7:02 PM
Nalod wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
Nalod wrote:Again, y’all pretend as if the team owner has no input to how team is run. Jordan been doing the same stupid shyt for years and Choo is not different. Jordan has a bad track record in Washington and with his own team.
He was in Portland just a year. Not sure what his gig is but reading it seems he is more the numbers/contract guy.

I've seen some people but the Batum signing and the Kaminsky/MKG drafts on Jordan. What were you observations being down there, in-between bouts of spitting tobacco lol

Jordan is uber loyal to his inner circle. The whole Oak thing weird. Guy was not qualified to be on the bench as a coach and had a drinking problem. He has yes men all around him. He makes the picks. Jordan is cheap, he got Cho at a bargain and being a Neophyte he would be grateful for the opportunity. Jordan is beloved in North Carolina. He is a god. Charlotte is a transient city like ATL with a big corporate ticket base. Its a weird experience going to games.

I can imagine. Been to ACC games and the experience was surreal. Never been to home Charlotte game, but I can't imagine it without the hometown college feel. But you don't seem to worried with the Cho talks. We'll have to wait and see, I guess.

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2/16/2020  9:39 AM
BigDaddyG wrote:
Nalod wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
Nalod wrote:Again, y’all pretend as if the team owner has no input to how team is run. Jordan been doing the same stupid shyt for years and Choo is not different. Jordan has a bad track record in Washington and with his own team.
He was in Portland just a year. Not sure what his gig is but reading it seems he is more the numbers/contract guy.

I've seen some people but the Batum signing and the Kaminsky/MKG drafts on Jordan. What were you observations being down there, in-between bouts of spitting tobacco lol

Jordan is uber loyal to his inner circle. The whole Oak thing weird. Guy was not qualified to be on the bench as a coach and had a drinking problem. He has yes men all around him. He makes the picks. Jordan is cheap, he got Cho at a bargain and being a Neophyte he would be grateful for the opportunity. Jordan is beloved in North Carolina. He is a god. Charlotte is a transient city like ATL with a big corporate ticket base. Its a weird experience going to games.

I can imagine. Been to ACC games and the experience was surreal. Never been to home Charlotte game, but I can't imagine it without the hometown college feel. But you don't seem to worried with the Cho talks. We'll have to wait and see, I guess.

For sure not college. They love Jordan and don’t hate on the team. Its just weird. Let’s just say its not MSG!! lOl

I don’t fret over execs past record for the same reason i would not jump up and down if RC Buford was signed to work here. Neither is transferable and we don’t get to examine the elements of the moment when trades are made and who they draft at that moment and all the dynamics that go into it. Also failure is a great teacher. SO I look a the man. Its akin to why Larry brown went from winning a title in Detroit to abject failure in NY. The dynamic is way different. His knick team did not lack talent. If Dolan is a big part of the knicks dynamic over the last 20 years, then Jordan has to be for Hornets given his involvement. In fact we give owners way to little credence regarding the process. Simply we just don’t know.
Worry? Get mad? I’ll give the man a chance. what else can we do. THis is suppose to be fun.

SNY: Opposing execs expect Rich Cho to be considered for next Knicks president Leon Rose's staff

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