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If frank, dsj,mitch, and knox want more playing time they got to produce in the minutes they get.
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houston20
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2/7/2020  10:54 AM
If frank, dsj, mitch, and knox want more playing time they got to produce if they play like crap like last night then vets are going to get more playing time.Last night against the magic frank,dsj,mitch, and knox combined for 9 points on 4/15 shooting you don't deserve playing time if you play that crappy like last night. Knox has to stop playing lazy on defense and on offense he has grow up the last 30 games and play better. Mitch robinson has to stop committing stupid fouls if he wants more playing time and develop and offensive game . Frank is great defensive player but man his offensive game is trash his goal should be try to average 8 points game the last 30 games. I know dsj is having rough year but if he can average 10 points these last 30 game with 5 assist that will be progress.
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2/7/2020  11:07 AM
I agree makes perfect sense. I mean why give any priority to a young player who might be part of the future when you have guys like Taj, Bullock, Elfrid, Portis and Ellington you can lean on for quality minutes. F-ing brilliant bro!
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2/7/2020  11:11 AM
fishmike wrote:I agree makes perfect sense. I mean why give any priority to a young player who might be part of the future when you have guys like Taj, Bullock, Elfrid, Portis and Ellington you can lean on for quality minutes. F-ing brilliant bro!

If you play like trash then you don't deserve to play you got to earn minutes.
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2/7/2020  11:13 AM
The young players are what they are.
We are yet to find out if they are worthy for Knicks future.
Mitch value and upside is clear but how long it will take is not. Same for other 3.
I am not making any conclusions about young NBA players until they are 23-24 years old.
There are few freaks of nature to be great in 21 but this are bbal superman spaces and we never get a chance to get one.
RJ looks like one who can put it together faster but still his prime years away.
So we will need to rely on Vets for at least 2-3 more seasons considering we already get some peaces.
But having 5 candidates does not make it a future team. So it can take longer.
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2/7/2020  11:32 AM
houston20 wrote:
fishmike wrote:I agree makes perfect sense. I mean why give any priority to a young player who might be part of the future when you have guys like Taj, Bullock, Elfrid, Portis and Ellington you can lean on for quality minutes. F-ing brilliant bro!

If you play like trash then you don't deserve to play you got to earn minutes.

good development work there... def the kind of program young upcoming talent will be super excited to join and be a part of.
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fishmike wrote:
houston20 wrote:
fishmike wrote:I agree makes perfect sense. I mean why give any priority to a young player who might be part of the future when you have guys like Taj, Bullock, Elfrid, Portis and Ellington you can lean on for quality minutes. F-ing brilliant bro!

If you play like trash then you don't deserve to play you got to earn minutes.

good development work there... def the kind of program young upcoming talent will be super excited to join and be a part of.

Development is responsibility of the player, his agent, and his entourage.
Team can provide facilities, stuff, and such.
If player is not capable you can develop him to the death and you will get nothing in return.
Development in NBA is overrated.

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2/7/2020  12:16 PM
arkrud wrote:
fishmike wrote:
houston20 wrote:
fishmike wrote:I agree makes perfect sense. I mean why give any priority to a young player who might be part of the future when you have guys like Taj, Bullock, Elfrid, Portis and Ellington you can lean on for quality minutes. F-ing brilliant bro!

If you play like trash then you don't deserve to play you got to earn minutes.

good development work there... def the kind of program young upcoming talent will be super excited to join and be a part of.

Development is responsibility of the player, his agent, and his entourage.
Team can provide facilities, stuff, and such.
If player is not capable you can develop him to the death and you will get nothing in return.
Development in NBA is overrated.

OMG this is really so backwards and bad I dont know where to start. Look around dude. Development is huge. Toronto? WTF are you talking about its up to the player? Draft picks are 19-20 years old.

Its up to the player and their entourage. Wow. The last player we drafted and developed was prolly David Lee. Just because the Knicks dont see it through doesnt mean its not important or valued. Look around the league at the good programs

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2/7/2020  3:35 PM
arkrud wrote:
fishmike wrote:
houston20 wrote:
fishmike wrote:I agree makes perfect sense. I mean why give any priority to a young player who might be part of the future when you have guys like Taj, Bullock, Elfrid, Portis and Ellington you can lean on for quality minutes. F-ing brilliant bro!

If you play like trash then you don't deserve to play you got to earn minutes.

good development work there... def the kind of program young upcoming talent will be super excited to join and be a part of.

Development is responsibility of the player, his agent, and his entourage.
Team can provide facilities, stuff, and such.
If player is not capable you can develop him to the death and you will get nothing in return.
Development in NBA is overrated.

all of This.

Development also comes in OFF SEASON. This mindset that fans have of having young players clock in major minutes and "develop" that way is asinine.
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2/7/2020  3:41 PM
Swishfm3 wrote:
arkrud wrote:
fishmike wrote:
houston20 wrote:
fishmike wrote:I agree makes perfect sense. I mean why give any priority to a young player who might be part of the future when you have guys like Taj, Bullock, Elfrid, Portis and Ellington you can lean on for quality minutes. F-ing brilliant bro!

If you play like trash then you don't deserve to play you got to earn minutes.

good development work there... def the kind of program young upcoming talent will be super excited to join and be a part of.

Development is responsibility of the player, his agent, and his entourage.
Team can provide facilities, stuff, and such.
If player is not capable you can develop him to the death and you will get nothing in return.
Development in NBA is overrated.

all of This.

Development also comes in OFF SEASON. This mindset that fans have of having young players clock in major minutes and "develop" that way is asinine.

no its not and there are 1000s of examples... this makes zero sense. What do you think these athletes do after playing 8 months of basketball and traveling and practicing. This is so backwards.
"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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2/7/2020  7:51 PM
houston20 wrote:
fishmike wrote:I agree makes perfect sense. I mean why give any priority to a young player who might be part of the future when you have guys like Taj, Bullock, Elfrid, Portis and Ellington you can lean on for quality minutes. F-ing brilliant bro!

If you play like trash then you don't deserve to play you got to earn minutes.

Its obvious Knox sucks. Guy is a bust Frank has some value as a backup. At this point im convinced we will never be good I dont think it matters if they play or not

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2/7/2020  9:16 PM
fishmike wrote:
houston20 wrote:
fishmike wrote:I agree makes perfect sense. I mean why give any priority to a young player who might be part of the future when you have guys like Taj, Bullock, Elfrid, Portis and Ellington you can lean on for quality minutes. F-ing brilliant bro!

If you play like trash then you don't deserve to play you got to earn minutes.

good development work there... def the kind of program young upcoming talent will be super excited to join and be a part of.

I think that's how most teams work. Players have to earn their minutes to some degree. Young free agents who are desirable generally have proven they can earn their keep, so FA recruitment wouldn't be hurt as you suggest. Rookies might get some burn, but if they suck you don't see them getting the lions share anywhere. Your sarcasm is unwarranted.
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2/7/2020  9:18 PM
Swishfm3 wrote:
arkrud wrote:
fishmike wrote:
houston20 wrote:
fishmike wrote:I agree makes perfect sense. I mean why give any priority to a young player who might be part of the future when you have guys like Taj, Bullock, Elfrid, Portis and Ellington you can lean on for quality minutes. F-ing brilliant bro!

If you play like trash then you don't deserve to play you got to earn minutes.

good development work there... def the kind of program young upcoming talent will be super excited to join and be a part of.

Development is responsibility of the player, his agent, and his entourage.
Team can provide facilities, stuff, and such.
If player is not capable you can develop him to the death and you will get nothing in return.
Development in NBA is overrated.

all of This.

Development also comes in OFF SEASON. This mindset that fans have of having young players clock in major minutes and "develop" that way is asinine.

It's as if practice, scrimmaging and working out is nothing but televised minutes is where it all comes together. SMH
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2/7/2020  9:19 PM
fishmike wrote:
Swishfm3 wrote:
arkrud wrote:
fishmike wrote:
houston20 wrote:
fishmike wrote:I agree makes perfect sense. I mean why give any priority to a young player who might be part of the future when you have guys like Taj, Bullock, Elfrid, Portis and Ellington you can lean on for quality minutes. F-ing brilliant bro!

If you play like trash then you don't deserve to play you got to earn minutes.

good development work there... def the kind of program young upcoming talent will be super excited to join and be a part of.

Development is responsibility of the player, his agent, and his entourage.
Team can provide facilities, stuff, and such.
If player is not capable you can develop him to the death and you will get nothing in return.
Development in NBA is overrated.

all of This.

Development also comes in OFF SEASON. This mindset that fans have of having young players clock in major minutes and "develop" that way is asinine.

no its not and there are 1000s of examples... this makes zero sense. What do you think these athletes do after playing 8 months of basketball and traveling and practicing. This is so backwards.

Lets see a few of the 1000s of examples of players playing like crap and getting major minutes for the whole year.
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2/8/2020  10:46 AM
Breaking it down

https://www.postingandtoasting.com/2020/2/7/21112729/development-or-nah-checking-in-on-the-young-knicks-part-2
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2/10/2020  11:47 AM
nykshaknbake wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Swishfm3 wrote:
arkrud wrote:
fishmike wrote:
houston20 wrote:
fishmike wrote:I agree makes perfect sense. I mean why give any priority to a young player who might be part of the future when you have guys like Taj, Bullock, Elfrid, Portis and Ellington you can lean on for quality minutes. F-ing brilliant bro!

If you play like trash then you don't deserve to play you got to earn minutes.

good development work there... def the kind of program young upcoming talent will be super excited to join and be a part of.

Development is responsibility of the player, his agent, and his entourage.
Team can provide facilities, stuff, and such.
If player is not capable you can develop him to the death and you will get nothing in return.
Development in NBA is overrated.

all of This.

Development also comes in OFF SEASON. This mindset that fans have of having young players clock in major minutes and "develop" that way is asinine.

no its not and there are 1000s of examples... this makes zero sense. What do you think these athletes do after playing 8 months of basketball and traveling and practicing. This is so backwards.

Lets see a few of the 1000s of examples of players playing like crap and getting major minutes for the whole year.

Sure... here's one all star who has talked about how he and other young players were able to play through mistakes when they were younger, and thats much harder on a playoff team:
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/greendr01.html

Memphis lost 60 games and they kept running this kid out there:
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/lowryky01.html

Ingram was 19 and the team lost 55+ games. Might as well just keep running him out there:
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/lowryky01.html

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2/10/2020  12:27 PM
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I like how Miller used Frank last night

9 points, 8 assists, 1 TO, +10 in 25 minutes. He missed all his 3s (one was a chuck) which sucks.

He and Mitch will be fantastic role players if we can get a couple high impact guys in here. I am still high on Frank as backup PG and bench guy in the Marcus Smart role

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2/10/2020  12:47 PM
Most of our young guys have so many holes in their game that you can't just leave them out there for every situation. They are not all around players, and they are not extremely good at anything.

When you have holes in your game you will always get inconsistent minutes, and will always be trade bate.

It's also about fit and system, which is more important than anything, one of the main reasons the GSW traded DLO.

If you can get a player that does what Frank does and more, or what Mitch does and more, or what knox does and more, do you hang on to these players just because you drafted them?

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knicks1248 wrote:Most of our young guys have so many holes in their game that you can't just leave them out there for every situation. They are not all around players, and they are not extremely good at anything.

When you have holes in your game you will always get inconsistent minutes, and will always be trade bate.

It's also about fit and system, which is more important than anything, one of the main reasons the GSW traded DLO.

If you can get a player that does what Frank does and more, or what Mitch does and more, or what knox does and more, do you hang on to these players just because you drafted them?

i am replying against my better judgment

the short answer is everything else being equal you do hang on because they have familiarity with the teammates/system better than a new comer and that has value

the longer answer is your criticism is inane. Every player (even Lebron) has flaws. It comes down to value because we're salary capped. You want more talent/$. By way of comparison. Marcus Smart is making 12.5 million this year compared to Frank's 4.8. Capela is making 14.9 compared to Mitch's 1.55
(to be clear these are for comparison only -- not saying Frank = Marcus, etc.)

they are not our problem. of course beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and as the old saying goes "there is no pleasing, some people" something you may want to consider

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