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1/28/2020  12:18 PM
It's been suggested that other teams have interest in Julius Randle and Dennis Smith Jr (Minn). I think both need to move on and would do better elsewhere. I'm not a fan of either of their style of play, even though Julius has played much better lately.

Question is what could we get in return for them together or separately? If offered, I'd take Crabbe's expiring with a late first rounder for Randle and DSJr

I think most agree we should be sellers at the deadline and I prefer keeping Frank (defense) and Morris (vet/leadership)... Understand the value of establishing continuity, but we have to do that with the right players - don't believe those 2 are it. Portis and Ellington can also go if anybody wants them.
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1/28/2020  12:47 PM
Randle alone should be worth a first so i wouldn't gift them DSJ as well. I don't think we pull the trigger if the return is just a late pick.
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1/28/2020  12:55 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/28/2020  12:56 PM
jskinny35 wrote:It's been suggested that other teams have interest in Julius Randle and Dennis Smith Jr (Minn). I think both need to move on and would do better elsewhere. I'm not a fan of either of their style of play, even though Julius has played much better lately.

Question is what could we get in return for them together or separately? If offered, I'd take Crabbe's expiring with a late first rounder for Randle and DSJr

I think most agree we should be sellers at the deadline and I prefer keeping Frank (defense) and Morris (vet/leadership)... Understand the value of establishing continuity, but we have to do that with the right players - don't believe those 2 are it. Portis and Ellington can also go if anybody wants them.

So you would rather keep frank than Randle?

Wow..smh

They are not trading Randle for no potential Draft Bust

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1/28/2020  12:57 PM
Would rather keep Frank than Dennis Smith Jr - something doesn't seem right with Dennis all season. Rather Morris to Randle as he plays defense and seems to be a better leader
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1/28/2020  1:05 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/28/2020  1:06 PM
Combined maybe you get a large expiring contract and a heavily protected first or 2 second rounders. I wouldn't expect more than that. Crabbe plus a protected first is along the lines i can believe.
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jskinny35 wrote:Would rather keep Frank than Dennis Smith Jr - something doesn't seem right with Dennis all season. Rather Morris to Randle as he plays defense and seems to be a better leader


I would rather keep our best players and get rid of the ones who are not producing consistently enough , that just seems like the logical thing to do.

Something doesn't seem right with all of the young players on this roster.

It's also Baffling how none of our Pg's can really shoot from the perimeter, especially Payton. Dudes just are not putting in the work

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1/28/2020  1:53 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
jskinny35 wrote:Would rather keep Frank than Dennis Smith Jr - something doesn't seem right with Dennis all season. Rather Morris to Randle as he plays defense and seems to be a better leader


I would rather keep our best players and get rid of the ones who are not producing consistently enough , that just seems like the logical thing to do.

Something doesn't seem right with all of the young players on this roster.

It's also Baffling how none of our Pg's can really shoot from the perimeter, especially Payton. Dudes just are not putting in the work

It's really amazing our PGs can never shoot, and never improve with their outside shooting.
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1/28/2020  2:02 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/28/2020  2:05 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
jskinny35 wrote:Would rather keep Frank than Dennis Smith Jr - something doesn't seem right with Dennis all season. Rather Morris to Randle as he plays defense and seems to be a better leader


I would rather keep our best players and get rid of the ones who are not producing consistently enough , that just seems like the logical thing to do.

Something doesn't seem right with all of the young players on this roster.

It's also Baffling how none of our Pg's can really shoot from the perimeter, especially Payton. Dudes just are not putting in the work

How about you can put some work yourself to hit some ball from 3 targeting 40% shooting with no one guarding.
See how it goes...
I know this dudes are NBA players... but shooting when defended is a talent not just repetition. One has it and many others don't.

As far as keeping best player... How about striving to have better player by NBA standards not Knicks ****ty standards?
Our current best players are just a marginal assets to use for trading for better players on right carrier timeline to match our top draft picks.
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1/28/2020  11:42 PM
Knixkik wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
jskinny35 wrote:Would rather keep Frank than Dennis Smith Jr - something doesn't seem right with Dennis all season. Rather Morris to Randle as he plays defense and seems to be a better leader


I would rather keep our best players and get rid of the ones who are not producing consistently enough , that just seems like the logical thing to do.

Something doesn't seem right with all of the young players on this roster.

It's also Baffling how none of our Pg's can really shoot from the perimeter, especially Payton. Dudes just are not putting in the work

It's really amazing our PGs can never shoot, and never improve with their outside shooting.

One of our PG's is shooting 86% from the free throw line. That's a sign of accomplishment, and I believe it allows that player to show continued progress in his mid range and 3 point shooting.

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1/28/2020  11:48 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
jskinny35 wrote:Would rather keep Frank than Dennis Smith Jr - something doesn't seem right with Dennis all season. Rather Morris to Randle as he plays defense and seems to be a better leader


I would rather keep our best players and get rid of the ones who are not producing consistently enough , that just seems like the logical thing to do.

Something doesn't seem right with all of the young players on this roster.

It's also Baffling how none of our Pg's can really shoot from the perimeter, especially Payton. Dudes just are not putting in the work

LOL, Knicks1248 makes logic into the illogical. Special talent.
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1/29/2020  2:13 AM
jskinny35 wrote:It's been suggested that other teams have interest in Julius Randle and Dennis Smith Jr (Minn). I think both need to move on and would do better elsewhere. I'm not a fan of either of their style of play, even though Julius has played much better lately.

Question is what could we get in return for them together or separately? If offered, I'd take Crabbe's expiring with a late first rounder for Randle and DSJr

I think most agree we should be sellers at the deadline and I prefer keeping Frank (defense) and Morris (vet/leadership)... Understand the value of establishing continuity, but we have to do that with the right players - don't believe those 2 are it. Portis and Ellington can also go if anybody wants them.

To answer your question:

Smith Jr has negative value and Randle is a bench player making starter money.

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1/29/2020  8:44 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/29/2020  8:46 AM
knicks1248 wrote:
jskinny35 wrote:Would rather keep Frank than Dennis Smith Jr - something doesn't seem right with Dennis all season. Rather Morris to Randle as he plays defense and seems to be a better leader


I would rather keep our best players and get rid of the ones who are not producing consistently enough , that just seems like the logical thing to do.

Something doesn't seem right with all of the young players on this roster.

It's also Baffling how none of our Pg's can really shoot from the perimeter, especially Payton. Dudes just are not putting in the work

There are only 2 players on the team that I am interested in keeping. They are Mitch and RJ.... and Mitch hasn’t shown nearly enough development.

Morris and Randle can go. They may be the 2 best players on the team but that says something about them and the team when we are this bad. I understand you like them. That’s the extent though. If you can get a good package for them, then you do it. I’m not confident in their games on a good team though despite the fact that Morris was on the Celtics last year.

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1/29/2020  9:50 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/29/2020  9:57 AM
My take on what the roster is worth:

RJ Barrett - first
Kadeem Allen - nothing
Ignas Brazdeikis - nothing
Reggie Bullock - second
Damyean Dotson - likely nothing, maybe a second
Wayne Ellington - nothing
Taj Gibson - second
Kevin Knox - second
Marcus Morris Sr. - first
Frank Ntilikina - second, maybe two?
Elfrid Payton - second if a playoff team gets desperate (backup points are always in demand at the deadline)
Bobby Portis - nothing
Julius Randle - first
Mitchell Robinson - two seconds
Dennis Smith Jr. - second
Allonzo Trier - nothing
Kenny Wooten - nothing

Great, so by my math we only have three guys on our roster worth a first.

So what would that package be worth jskinny? I think a first and a middling prospect. I guess we could ask for Culver but I don't think he's going to be remembered as a bust. So yay.

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1/29/2020  2:43 PM
Randle is a very good 3rd option. He is not our problem.
Its that was really don't have a solid 1st or second option. Morris a nice surprise but you see the flaws in crunch time.
Funny we blasted knicks for signing Bullock. Guy is actually pretty good.
Randle is really very good. My view the signing was like Hardaway, we are asking more than he is capable.
RJ is runner up ROY thus far. Not bad, not bad at all!!
As for trades? Im not sure there are many teams that will give a no. 1 for Morris as those teams are tapped out. Im not saying its not worth it, I just don't know. WE can talk ourselves into it, but that don't make it real.
I doubt Sac trades Fox. They banked the franchise on him. Not saying its a smart move. But they went their.
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1/29/2020  3:11 PM
Nalod wrote:Randle is a very good 3rd option. He is not our problem.
Its that was really don't have a solid 1st or second option. Morris a nice surprise but you see the flaws in crunch time.
Funny we blasted knicks for signing Bullock. Guy is actually pretty good.
Randle is really very good. My view the signing was like Hardaway, we are asking more than he is capable.
RJ is runner up ROY thus far. Not bad, not bad at all!!
As for trades? Im not sure there are many teams that will give a no. 1 for Morris as those teams are tapped out. Im not saying its not worth it, I just don't know. WE can talk ourselves into it, but that don't make it real.
I doubt Sac trades Fox. They banked the franchise on him. Not saying its a smart move. But they went their.

cant believe i'm agreeing with you.

But if we had thj and KP now, it would have been a much deeper roster, and no one would have to play hero ball

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1/29/2020  5:43 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
Nalod wrote:Randle is a very good 3rd option. He is not our problem.
Its that was really don't have a solid 1st or second option. Morris a nice surprise but you see the flaws in crunch time.
Funny we blasted knicks for signing Bullock. Guy is actually pretty good.
Randle is really very good. My view the signing was like Hardaway, we are asking more than he is capable.
RJ is runner up ROY thus far. Not bad, not bad at all!!
As for trades? Im not sure there are many teams that will give a no. 1 for Morris as those teams are tapped out. Im not saying its not worth it, I just don't know. WE can talk ourselves into it, but that don't make it real.
I doubt Sac trades Fox. They banked the franchise on him. Not saying its a smart move. But they went their.

cant believe i'm agreeing with you.

But if we had thj and KP now, it would have been a much deeper roster, and no one would have to play hero ball

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