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1/24/2020  6:22 PM
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1/24/2020  7:09 PM
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Dallas really desperate for a big now. Won't have much of an impact on our Dallas pick. I can't remember the last time GSW mad a trade during the season.

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1/25/2020  3:56 AM
The Houston Rockets have been in win-now mode for the past several seasons as they try to maximize the title window with James Harden.

Sources tell Shams Charania of The Athletic that the Rockets are continuing to make future draft picks available in trade talks.

The Rockets have prioritized a wing player on the trade market.

For now, the Rockets will leave a roster spot open.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/256925/Rockets-Make-Future-First-Round-Picks-Available-In-Trade-Talks

Would that be their 2022 first? I think they have a pick swap in 2021 and owe their first to OKC in 2024 and 2026, so they couldn't trade 2023 or 2027 (they are screwed in the near future). Wonder if their interested in Morris,

I think a 2022 1st would be better than a 2020 as 2020 is the infamous double draft

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1/25/2020  11:37 AM
Kings moved Buddy Hield to the bench last night and put Bogdanovic in the starting lineup. So either they'r doing one last experiment to see if he should be re-signed, or they've already decided to move Buddy and his large contract. Anyone interested? He can actually shoot (unlike any of our SGs), but he has been very complaining-y this season and is older than you think (27). Contract after this season is: $26mil, $24mil, $22mil, $20mil. I don't think I've watched him play much, so I'm not qualified to say!
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1/25/2020  11:54 AM
Don't know whether to hope this is true or not:

Because if they're not, I guess Dolan is

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1/25/2020  12:15 PM
smackeddog wrote:Don't know whether to hope this is true or not:

Because if they're not, I guess Dolan is

Come on now, besides the tiddlywinks trades EVERY owner is both in the loop and will always have the right to nix anything, don’t be fooled. There is definitely a grey area where owners shouldn’t tread - see the Melo and McDyess trades - but this shouldn’t be newsworthy

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1/25/2020  12:16 PM
smackeddog wrote:Don't know whether to hope this is true or not:

Because if they're not, I guess Dolan is

I thought potato head's sources died when Courtney Lee went to the Mavs lol But you're right. I'm not sure this is necessarily good news if Dolan is taking a bigger role in the decision making.

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1/25/2020  12:44 PM
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smackeddog wrote:Don't know whether to hope this is true or not:

Because if they're not, I guess Dolan is

I thought potato head's sources died when Courtney Lee went to the Mavs lol But you're right. I'm not sure this is necessarily good news if Dolan is taking a bigger role in the decision making.

He also might want Houston to have a say. This is concerning because the process maybe too complicated to get deals done. The Knicks need to be sellers at the deadline.

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1/25/2020  12:45 PM
Stands to reason generically owners are in the look when it comes to financial ramifications of trades and the direction of the team. LIke wise if an owner wants a star and thinks it will excite the fan base its the FO that need to remind the owner it might deviate from the previous plan and the ramifications of that. Logic Vs Panic.

Out in Sac They are losing. Made playoff last year and have regressed. Divac’s does not come across as the sharpest GM (He did hire Perry....LOL) and the move to hire Luke Walton was solid but he has made questionable moves over the years. He also has had an enthusiastic rookie owner who might be part of the process too?
Trade Buddy? I suppose what is the price might determine. Letting Bogo walk is an issue and maybe they are just showcasing him a bit and trying to decide what to do as the deadline nears.

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1/25/2020  1:19 PM
smackeddog wrote:Kings moved Buddy Hield to the bench last night and put Bogdanovic in the starting lineup. So either they'r doing one last experiment to see if he should be re-signed, or they've already decided to move Buddy and his large contract. Anyone interested? He can actually shoot (unlike any of our SGs), but he has been very complaining-y this season and is older than you think (27). Contract after this season is: $26mil, $24mil, $22mil, $20mil. I don't think I've watched him play much, so I'm not qualified to say!

I'm interested. He was a joy to watch in college. We desperately need someone who can ****ing shoot. I don't know what we'd give though. He's having a below average year but he's overall body of work I'm a fan of

This came up with Markanaan in another thread... I would be on board with targeting young guys who have performed well in the past but aren't this year for whatever reason

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1/25/2020  1:41 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
smackeddog wrote:Don't know whether to hope this is true or not:

Because if they're not, I guess Dolan is

I thought potato head's sources died when Courtney Lee went to the Mavs lol But you're right. I'm not sure this is necessarily good news if Dolan is taking a bigger role in the decision making.

He also might want Houston to have a say. This is concerning because the process maybe too complicated to get deals done. The Knicks need to be sellers at the deadline.

Definitely need to be sellers at the deadline. Houston seems like the new Steve mills. As long as he is a part of the organization, regardless of who the GM/Prez is, Houston may also have a say which can make things complicated. If this is the case, and Houston does have Dolan's ear, it might be best for Dolan to fire Mills and seasons end and let Houston take over. Houston is a much better basketball background and mind than Mills does. I think Dolan trusts Houston, and I for damn sure trust Houston's decision making abilities over Mills.

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1/25/2020  5:01 PM
Uptown wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
smackeddog wrote:Don't know whether to hope this is true or not:

Because if they're not, I guess Dolan is

I thought potato head's sources died when Courtney Lee went to the Mavs lol But you're right. I'm not sure this is necessarily good news if Dolan is taking a bigger role in the decision making.

He also might want Houston to have a say. This is concerning because the process maybe too complicated to get deals done. The Knicks need to be sellers at the deadline.

Definitely need to be sellers at the deadline. Houston seems like the new Steve mills. As long as he is a part of the organization, regardless of who the GM/Prez is, Houston may also have a say which can make things complicated. If this is the case, and Houston does have Dolan's ear, it might be best for Dolan to fire Mills and seasons end and let Houston take over. Houston is a much better basketball background and mind than Mills does. I think Dolan trusts Houston, and I for damn sure trust Houston's decision making abilities over Mills.

Houston has shown absolutely nothing as a basketball executive in his tenure to make such a statement. Has Houston even been asked to interview for a position with another franchise? The only reason he's employed here, much like Mills, is that he's a favorite of James Dolan. Which usually means that's a bad thing. Just like the time we gave him $100 million when nobody else would come close.

Remember when we refused to hire David Griffin as President because he wanted to fire Allan Houston upon taking over? Good times.

The entire front office needs to be cleaned out - Houston included - before we see any modicum of success.

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1/26/2020  5:14 PM
Never read that he wanted to can H20. I don't see that he earned the pulp in his juice card in Cleveland to to walk in and make some of the power grabs of autnomomy. If you want to work here its a smart request given the history. But I think you have to earn that cred. Phil the iconic HOF coach had earned that. There a few dudes that can ask for it. Not sure Griff is an elite exec. Lebron came back. That was the difference maker.
As for Allan having a better mind then Mills? How do you come to that conclusion?
Ask your self the question of what happend with Allan and the contract. He had an opt out. He became a free agent because of it. MY guess is not that the knicks outbid themselves but they had a verbal agreement when he signed on. Was it smart? Not the way his career was going but knicks kept their end of the bargain. THats my guess. But fact was he had an opt out.
IM not aware of his mind or his acumen as a GM. MIlls is not really a GM despite his former title.
Basketball decisons I'd put on Perry's resume when he was hired. Thats my take. Want to get rid of them all? And replace with whom? Guys that have track record of success which restores faith and hope. I get it.
I want that too.
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1/26/2020  10:22 PM
JamesKPolk wrote:
Uptown wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
smackeddog wrote:Don't know whether to hope this is true or not:

Because if they're not, I guess Dolan is

I thought potato head's sources died when Courtney Lee went to the Mavs lol But you're right. I'm not sure this is necessarily good news if Dolan is taking a bigger role in the decision making.

He also might want Houston to have a say. This is concerning because the process maybe too complicated to get deals done. The Knicks need to be sellers at the deadline.

Definitely need to be sellers at the deadline. Houston seems like the new Steve mills. As long as he is a part of the organization, regardless of who the GM/Prez is, Houston may also have a say which can make things complicated. If this is the case, and Houston does have Dolan's ear, it might be best for Dolan to fire Mills and seasons end and let Houston take over. Houston is a much better basketball background and mind than Mills does. I think Dolan trusts Houston, and I for damn sure trust Houston's decision making abilities over Mills.

Houston has shown absolutely nothing as a basketball executive in his tenure to make such a statement. Has Houston even been asked to interview for a position with another franchise? The only reason he's employed here, much like Mills, is that he's a favorite of James Dolan. Which usually means that's a bad thing. Just like the time we gave him $100 million when nobody else would come close.

Remember when we refused to hire David Griffin as President because he wanted to fire Allan Houston upon taking over? Good times.

The entire front office needs to be cleaned out - Houston included - before we see any modicum of success.


Houston has looked over the g league which has had success. Pls show the link where Griffen wanted to fire Houston and was not hired . Please!!!
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1/28/2020  3:17 AM
dacash wrote:
JamesKPolk wrote:
Uptown wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
smackeddog wrote:Don't know whether to hope this is true or not:

Because if they're not, I guess Dolan is

I thought potato head's sources died when Courtney Lee went to the Mavs lol But you're right. I'm not sure this is necessarily good news if Dolan is taking a bigger role in the decision making.

He also might want Houston to have a say. This is concerning because the process maybe too complicated to get deals done. The Knicks need to be sellers at the deadline.

Definitely need to be sellers at the deadline. Houston seems like the new Steve mills. As long as he is a part of the organization, regardless of who the GM/Prez is, Houston may also have a say which can make things complicated. If this is the case, and Houston does have Dolan's ear, it might be best for Dolan to fire Mills and seasons end and let Houston take over. Houston is a much better basketball background and mind than Mills does. I think Dolan trusts Houston, and I for damn sure trust Houston's decision making abilities over Mills.

Houston has shown absolutely nothing as a basketball executive in his tenure to make such a statement. Has Houston even been asked to interview for a position with another franchise? The only reason he's employed here, much like Mills, is that he's a favorite of James Dolan. Which usually means that's a bad thing. Just like the time we gave him $100 million when nobody else would come close.

Remember when we refused to hire David Griffin as President because he wanted to fire Allan Houston upon taking over? Good times.

The entire front office needs to be cleaned out - Houston included - before we see any modicum of success.


Houston has looked over the g league which has had success. Pls show the link where Griffen wanted to fire Houston and was not hired . Please!!!

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1/28/2020  3:20 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/28/2020  3:20 AM
Nalod wrote:Never read that he wanted to can H20. I don't see that he earned the pulp in his juice card in Cleveland to to walk in and make some of the power grabs of autnomomy. If you want to work here its a smart request given the history. But I think you have to earn that cred. Phil the iconic HOF coach had earned that. There a few dudes that can ask for it. Not sure Griff is an elite exec. Lebron came back. That was the difference maker.
As for Allan having a better mind then Mills? How do you come to that conclusion?
Ask your self the question of what happend with Allan and the contract. He had an opt out. He became a free agent because of it. MY guess is not that the knicks outbid themselves but they had a verbal agreement when he signed on. Was it smart? Not the way his career was going but knicks kept their end of the bargain. THats my guess. But fact was he had an opt out.
IM not aware of his mind or his acumen as a GM. MIlls is not really a GM despite his former title.
Basketball decisons I'd put on Perry's resume when he was hired. Thats my take. Want to get rid of them all? And replace with whom? Guys that have track record of success which restores faith and hope. I get it.
I want that too.

Everyone needs some power if they are going to be successful.

Phil should have never been hired and given $12 million per season with 0 experience. You could have paid any top executive with experience that money. The problem is that Dolan chases celebrities or yes men as people to run this franchise. The only basketball guy he ever hired (Walsh) he ran out of town as quickly as he got here.

Also Phil was forced to keep Mills so he never got full autonomy to do anything. Not with Dolan's yes man by his side.

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1/28/2020  9:32 AM
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Nalod wrote:Never read that he wanted to can H20. I don't see that he earned the pulp in his juice card in Cleveland to to walk in and make some of the power grabs of autnomomy. If you want to work here its a smart request given the history. But I think you have to earn that cred. Phil the iconic HOF coach had earned that. There a few dudes that can ask for it. Not sure Griff is an elite exec. Lebron came back. That was the difference maker.
As for Allan having a better mind then Mills? How do you come to that conclusion?
Ask your self the question of what happend with Allan and the contract. He had an opt out. He became a free agent because of it. MY guess is not that the knicks outbid themselves but they had a verbal agreement when he signed on. Was it smart? Not the way his career was going but knicks kept their end of the bargain. THats my guess. But fact was he had an opt out.
IM not aware of his mind or his acumen as a GM. MIlls is not really a GM despite his former title.
Basketball decisons I'd put on Perry's resume when he was hired. Thats my take. Want to get rid of them all? And replace with whom? Guys that have track record of success which restores faith and hope. I get it.
I want that too.

Everyone needs some power if they are going to be successful.

Phil should have never been hired and given $12 million per season with 0 experience. You could have paid any top executive with experience that money. The problem is that Dolan chases celebrities or yes men as people to run this franchise. The only basketball guy he ever hired (Walsh) he ran out of town as quickly as he got here.

Also Phil was forced to keep Mills so he never got full autonomy to do anything. Not with Dolan's yes man by his side.

Ball players after the age of 25 are hard to change their stripes. Muscle memory thru repetition to achieve a high level of output. NBA the top 1% in the world get to that level. executives use the power of though and have the ability to learn. He can be a fat man like Jerry Krause, not mobile like Walsh was for a bit a man of color with a Princeton education, and one day a women. MIlls works for his owner like any other exec in the league.
I believe Dolan wants to win but became impatient. I believe Mills is not an ignorant man and over the years has seen what other franchises do. I think we are about 90% in agreement but what Nalod wants to believe is if Mills is not a half wit, and Dolan Trusts him then the whole rebuilding thing while not not demonstrated any substantial return is a departure from any other era in the last 20 years. So I want to believe that Dolan trusts Mills, Mills hires a real basketball person in Perry and with Blatt, Robinson’s and others are on the right course. If you change course now you might actually do more harm. Thats my point. Its an open concept because we don’t know the future. Hiring someone with a past might work but its the decisions they make that will determine the outcome, not the ones of the past.

I do believe that Phil should not have been hired. That he fired Grunwald AFTER THE MCKINSEY report and hired MIlls, then three months later courts Phil demonstrates a panic move and a likely departure from the very report he paid for. I don’t dispute the McKinsey thing but it was silly to try to implement the ideas into the game. Maybe they they though they could revolutionize the process. Ok, maybe not silly but thankfully it was rejected quickly. ON paper the concept of PHil being hired to bring a culture of winning was not that dumb. But PHil was coach, not an executive. HIs instincts to trade KP was spot on. Problem is it conflicted with the owner who owns an entertainment company.

We can go round and round on this. I fear when Dolan makes a change its in reaction and not part of a long term plan. If Mills has to go then I hope the team just evolves its current course and refines with with new personnel. In fact one need not make wholesale changes to do so. We are not privy to the day to day of what happens. Blatt being bought on might be evidence of the Knicks making such refinements. Good basketball mind and near expert in the international game. Can’t hurt.
IF the Princeton Cabel creates a trusting environment then it could be a good think. IF you think MIlls is fleecing his boss and enriching his friends then thats another view. I hope your wrong. Not because I’m right, but be cause winning is fun!!!!

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Is it me or has the trade deadline been quiet this year?
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1/28/2020  2:10 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/28/2020  2:13 PM
martin wrote:Is it me or has the trade deadline been quiet this year?

I forget the report, it might've been hoops hype, but it's been reported that this season had the longest period between trades in years.
Here it is: https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2019/12/leftovers-notes-from-cavsjazz-trade.html


Leftovers Notes From Cavs/Jazz Trade
December 24th, 2019 at 8:38am CST • By Luke Adams
When the Cavaliers and Jazz make their Jordan Clarkson/Dante Exum swap official, it will end one of the longest trade droughts in NBA history. The Rockets and Thunder formally finalized their Chris Paul/Russell Westbrook deal on July 16, so it has been 161 days since a trade has been completed.

Several weeks ago, Bryan Kalbrosky of HoopsHype noted that the league was already in the midst of its longest trade drought since 1968. That year, there was a 159-day gap between trades, so this year’s drought has now exceeded that one. However, it should finally come to an end today.

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1/28/2020  2:39 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
martin wrote:Is it me or has the trade deadline been quiet this year?

I forget the report, it might've been hoops hype, but it's been reported that this season had the longest period between trades in years.
Here it is: https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2019/12/leftovers-notes-from-cavsjazz-trade.html


Leftovers Notes From Cavs/Jazz Trade
December 24th, 2019 at 8:38am CST • By Luke Adams
When the Cavaliers and Jazz make their Jordan Clarkson/Dante Exum swap official, it will end one of the longest trade droughts in NBA history. The Rockets and Thunder formally finalized their Chris Paul/Russell Westbrook deal on July 16, so it has been 161 days since a trade has been completed.

Several weeks ago, Bryan Kalbrosky of HoopsHype noted that the league was already in the midst of its longest trade drought since 1968. That year, there was a 159-day gap between trades, so this year’s drought has now exceeded that one. However, it should finally come to an end today.

Probably because of the unusually huge amount of movement in the offseason

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