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fishmike
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1/23/2020  1:15 PM
You trade Elf, Marcus, Portis, Ellington, Dotson and Randle for literally any expiring garbage player attached to a 1st or 2nd rounder.
You keep Taj and Bullock because they are the only guys with good fundamentals on both sides off the ball, and Bullock has a super cap friendly deal for next year as well.

PG Frank/DSR/Kadeem (I dont care who starts)
SG RJ/Trier/Bullock
SF Knox/Iggy
PF Wooten (Knox and Taj can play here also)
C Taj/Mitch

We are just past halfway. Enough time to let that group play through some mistakes and see what we got. I want to see Frank play through mistakes, DSJ get healthy and lead a 2nd unit of DSJ/Trier/Mitch

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1/23/2020  1:19 PM
fishmike wrote:You trade Elf, Marcus, Portis, Ellington, Dotson and Randle for literally any expiring garbage player attached to a 1st or 2nd rounder.
You keep Taj and Bullock because they are the only guys with good fundamentals on both sides off the ball, and Bullock has a super cap friendly deal for next year as well.

PG Frank/DSR/Kadeem (I dont care who starts)
SG RJ/Trier/Bullock
SF Knox/Iggy
PF Wooten (Knox and Taj can play here also)
C Taj/Mitch

We are just past halfway. Enough time to let that group play through some mistakes and see what we got. I want to see Frank play through mistakes, DSJ get healthy and lead a 2nd unit of DSJ/Trier/Mitch


I'd like to keep Morris if we can move Randle. One of them will stay, just hopefully not both. I agree about Bullock and Gibson being keepers. But serve a role on this rebuilding team.
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1/23/2020  1:29 PM
Is there a market for Elf and Portis? Also, I would consider deals for Bullock and Taj. I like both guys but Bullock is on a really team friendly contract and could be in demand. Ellington may end up being bought out if there isn't a deal for him.
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knicks1248
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1/23/2020  1:59 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/23/2020  1:59 PM
CrushAlot wrote:Is there a market for Elf and Portis? Also, I would consider deals for Bullock and Taj. I like both guys but Bullock is on a really team friendly contract and could be in demand. Ellington may end up being bought out if there isn't a deal for him.

Randle and RJ are the only 2 players on this team that will net you a 1st rounder..

Whats even more ridiculous is that the F/O wants to trade it's trash for other teams starters, and yet they don't 1)want to add no future salary 2) they will wont add any 1st round picks

( read the article in SNY)

Thats why they trade or sign under achieving players with the hope of stricken lighten in a bottle..

They could have traded Noah but refuse to add any picks, then came back and told the fan base the cost was too high.

They rather pay him the(6.5 mill for the next 3 yrs) to sit at home or play for another team . That money is equivalent salary for a top 10 pick .

This would have been Noah's final yr on his contract.

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1/23/2020  2:00 PM
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fishmike
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1/23/2020  2:19 PM
CrushAlot wrote:Is there a market for Elf and Portis? Also, I would consider deals for Bullock and Taj. I like both guys but Bullock is on a really team friendly contract and could be in demand. Ellington may end up being bought out if there isn't a deal for him.
IDK about Portis but his contract is super trade friendly.

What if OKC offers you two first rounders to take CP3 for Elf and Portis and Morris? Remember they have a treasure chest of picks.
Shroeder replaces CP3 in the starting lineup. Morris replaces Fergesen. They field a big potent 2-way line up. Steve Adams in the middle. Morris/Gallo at the forwards (talk about size+spacing) and two pretty good young attacking guards in SGA and Schroder. Elf is the backup PG and would be a good one. Portis they can do what they want with.

This shaves like $70mm in commitment to CP3.

Yes it kills Knicks cap.

BUT

It sets up the Knicks with a real floor general in CP3 in the short term. He will immediately help.
We keep all your young players.
We know have all our first rounders + 4 extra #1s from Dallas/OKC. So we would now be players in a potential superstar type trade if something were to free up.

OR maybe we just draft well and have a nice pipeline of young talent like you see with Denver and Toronto.

Some would see this is typical KNicks with CP3 being the savior only 10 years too late, but really it would be a quality floor general with a very young roster and guys you hope starting coming into their own.

Im pretty jaded on the FA front... 4 extra first rounders in the fold is a solid start

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BigDaddyG
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1/23/2020  2:31 PM
fishmike wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:Is there a market for Elf and Portis? Also, I would consider deals for Bullock and Taj. I like both guys but Bullock is on a really team friendly contract and could be in demand. Ellington may end up being bought out if there isn't a deal for him.
IDK about Portis but his contract is super trade friendly.

What if OKC offers you two first rounders to take CP3 for Elf and Portis and Morris? Remember they have a treasure chest of picks.
Shroeder replaces CP3 in the starting lineup. Morris replaces Fergesen. They field a big potent 2-way line up. Steve Adams in the middle. Morris/Gallo at the forwards (talk about size+spacing) and two pretty good young attacking guards in SGA and Schroder. Elf is the backup PG and would be a good one. Portis they can do what they want with.

This shaves like $70mm in commitment to CP3.

Yes it kills Knicks cap.

BUT

It sets up the Knicks with a real floor general in CP3 in the short term. He will immediately help.
We keep all your young players.
We know have all our first rounders + 4 extra #1s from Dallas/OKC. So we would now be players in a potential superstar type trade if something were to free up.

OR maybe we just draft well and have a nice pipeline of young talent like you see with Denver and Toronto.

Some would see this is typical KNicks with CP3 being the savior only 10 years too late, but really it would be a quality floor general with a very young roster and guys you hope starting coming into their own.

Im pretty jaded on the FA front... 4 extra first rounders in the fold is a solid start


Chris Paul would help us do what if we make that trade? We can fall into the lottery just as easily with Chris as we can without him? But not only would we suck, but we'd lose cap flexibility.
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knicks1248
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1/23/2020  3:01 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
fishmike wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:Is there a market for Elf and Portis? Also, I would consider deals for Bullock and Taj. I like both guys but Bullock is on a really team friendly contract and could be in demand. Ellington may end up being bought out if there isn't a deal for him.
IDK about Portis but his contract is super trade friendly.

What if OKC offers you two first rounders to take CP3 for Elf and Portis and Morris? Remember they have a treasure chest of picks.
Shroeder replaces CP3 in the starting lineup. Morris replaces Fergesen. They field a big potent 2-way line up. Steve Adams in the middle. Morris/Gallo at the forwards (talk about size+spacing) and two pretty good young attacking guards in SGA and Schroder. Elf is the backup PG and would be a good one. Portis they can do what they want with.

This shaves like $70mm in commitment to CP3.

Yes it kills Knicks cap.

BUT

It sets up the Knicks with a real floor general in CP3 in the short term. He will immediately help.
We keep all your young players.
We know have all our first rounders + 4 extra #1s from Dallas/OKC. So we would now be players in a potential superstar type trade if something were to free up.

OR maybe we just draft well and have a nice pipeline of young talent like you see with Denver and Toronto.

Some would see this is typical KNicks with CP3 being the savior only 10 years too late, but really it would be a quality floor general with a very young roster and guys you hope starting coming into their own.

Im pretty jaded on the FA front... 4 extra first rounders in the fold is a solid start


Chris Paul would help us do what if we make that trade? We can fall into the lottery just as easily with Chris as we can without him? But not only would we suck, but we'd lose cap flexibility.

Neither of those has been the case as Paul told Rohan Nadkarni of Sports Illustrated that he’s happy right where he is and that neither he nor his agents have ever asked for a trade from the Thunder.

For now, both sides seem content to make the most of the situation, evaluating their options only as necessary. OKC benefits the better CP plays, and the front office isn’t in a rush to dump him. If or when Paul is moved from the Thunder, he and the front office will work together on where he ends up—the same way it happened for Westbrook and George.

As he has from the moment that he brought Paul in from Houston, Thunder General Manager Sam Presti praised his point guard’s professionalism and willingness to be “all in” in his return to OKC.

His professionalism, his outlook, and his maturity have been on another level. We are going through a transition ourselves, so it’s somewhat poetic, how he has returned at this point in the organizational timeline, and how he’s elevated our team. All I can say is that Chris has been all we could have hoped for and more.”

All of the love that Paul has for the Oklahoma City organization doesn’t mean that he still isn’t chasing a championship ring. He is.

He knows it might not happen for him, and he knows it’s unlikely that it will happen with the Thunder. But he’s excited to be part of a team that’s going to compete night in and night out.

“We have a fun team. That’s all you want. A chance and an opportunity to compete. I guess I’m just different. Analytics may say this, the odds may say this. When the ball goes up that night, I think we have a chance to win.”

I think people are only looking at his salary..CP3 brings much more to the Table than assist and points. I don't think you guys realize how lost our young guys are. Having him and Morris on the knicks will be such a benefit to every young player on the team, considering we are more than like drafting a PG in this yrs draft.

I think you need to look beyond the salary when discussing CP3's worth...Besides in 3 yrs his salary is not going to look as bad as it does now because that's going to be the going rate for above avg players.

Look how productive Jason kid was at 38/39, if it wasn't for his leadership we would have never won 54 games

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1/23/2020  3:23 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
fishmike wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:Is there a market for Elf and Portis? Also, I would consider deals for Bullock and Taj. I like both guys but Bullock is on a really team friendly contract and could be in demand. Ellington may end up being bought out if there isn't a deal for him.
IDK about Portis but his contract is super trade friendly.

What if OKC offers you two first rounders to take CP3 for Elf and Portis and Morris? Remember they have a treasure chest of picks.
Shroeder replaces CP3 in the starting lineup. Morris replaces Fergesen. They field a big potent 2-way line up. Steve Adams in the middle. Morris/Gallo at the forwards (talk about size+spacing) and two pretty good young attacking guards in SGA and Schroder. Elf is the backup PG and would be a good one. Portis they can do what they want with.

This shaves like $70mm in commitment to CP3.

Yes it kills Knicks cap.

BUT

It sets up the Knicks with a real floor general in CP3 in the short term. He will immediately help.
We keep all your young players.
We know have all our first rounders + 4 extra #1s from Dallas/OKC. So we would now be players in a potential superstar type trade if something were to free up.

OR maybe we just draft well and have a nice pipeline of young talent like you see with Denver and Toronto.

Some would see this is typical KNicks with CP3 being the savior only 10 years too late, but really it would be a quality floor general with a very young roster and guys you hope starting coming into their own.

Im pretty jaded on the FA front... 4 extra first rounders in the fold is a solid start


Chris Paul would help us do what if we make that trade? We can fall into the lottery just as easily with Chris as we can without him? But not only would we suck, but we'd lose cap flexibility.

Neither of those has been the case as Paul told Rohan Nadkarni of Sports Illustrated that he’s happy right where he is and that neither he nor his agents have ever asked for a trade from the Thunder.

For now, both sides seem content to make the most of the situation, evaluating their options only as necessary. OKC benefits the better CP plays, and the front office isn’t in a rush to dump him. If or when Paul is moved from the Thunder, he and the front office will work together on where he ends up—the same way it happened for Westbrook and George.

As he has from the moment that he brought Paul in from Houston, Thunder General Manager Sam Presti praised his point guard’s professionalism and willingness to be “all in” in his return to OKC.

His professionalism, his outlook, and his maturity have been on another level. We are going through a transition ourselves, so it’s somewhat poetic, how he has returned at this point in the organizational timeline, and how he’s elevated our team. All I can say is that Chris has been all we could have hoped for and more.”

All of the love that Paul has for the Oklahoma City organization doesn’t mean that he still isn’t chasing a championship ring. He is.

He knows it might not happen for him, and he knows it’s unlikely that it will happen with the Thunder. But he’s excited to be part of a team that’s going to compete night in and night out.

“We have a fun team. That’s all you want. A chance and an opportunity to compete. I guess I’m just different. Analytics may say this, the odds may say this. When the ball goes up that night, I think we have a chance to win.”

I think people are only looking at his salary..CP3 brings much more to the Table than assist and points. I don't think you guys realize how lost our young guys are. Having him and Morris on the knicks will be such a benefit to every young player on the team, considering we are more than like drafting a PG in this yrs draft.

I think you need to look beyond the salary when discussing CP3's worth...Besides in 3 yrs his salary is not going to look as bad as it does now because that's going to be the going rate for above avg players.

Look how productive Jason kid was at 38/39, if it wasn't for his leadership we would have never won 54 games


Morris would be included in the above trade. I don't really care how much anyone gets paid, just the impact it has on the team making any other moves.
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knicks1248
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1/23/2020  3:37 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
fishmike wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:Is there a market for Elf and Portis? Also, I would consider deals for Bullock and Taj. I like both guys but Bullock is on a really team friendly contract and could be in demand. Ellington may end up being bought out if there isn't a deal for him.
IDK about Portis but his contract is super trade friendly.

What if OKC offers you two first rounders to take CP3 for Elf and Portis and Morris? Remember they have a treasure chest of picks.
Shroeder replaces CP3 in the starting lineup. Morris replaces Fergesen. They field a big potent 2-way line up. Steve Adams in the middle. Morris/Gallo at the forwards (talk about size+spacing) and two pretty good young attacking guards in SGA and Schroder. Elf is the backup PG and would be a good one. Portis they can do what they want with.

This shaves like $70mm in commitment to CP3.

Yes it kills Knicks cap.

BUT

It sets up the Knicks with a real floor general in CP3 in the short term. He will immediately help.
We keep all your young players.
We know have all our first rounders + 4 extra #1s from Dallas/OKC. So we would now be players in a potential superstar type trade if something were to free up.

OR maybe we just draft well and have a nice pipeline of young talent like you see with Denver and Toronto.

Some would see this is typical KNicks with CP3 being the savior only 10 years too late, but really it would be a quality floor general with a very young roster and guys you hope starting coming into their own.

Im pretty jaded on the FA front... 4 extra first rounders in the fold is a solid start


Chris Paul would help us do what if we make that trade? We can fall into the lottery just as easily with Chris as we can without him? But not only would we suck, but we'd lose cap flexibility.

Neither of those has been the case as Paul told Rohan Nadkarni of Sports Illustrated that he’s happy right where he is and that neither he nor his agents have ever asked for a trade from the Thunder.

For now, both sides seem content to make the most of the situation, evaluating their options only as necessary. OKC benefits the better CP plays, and the front office isn’t in a rush to dump him. If or when Paul is moved from the Thunder, he and the front office will work together on where he ends up—the same way it happened for Westbrook and George.

As he has from the moment that he brought Paul in from Houston, Thunder General Manager Sam Presti praised his point guard’s professionalism and willingness to be “all in” in his return to OKC.

His professionalism, his outlook, and his maturity have been on another level. We are going through a transition ourselves, so it’s somewhat poetic, how he has returned at this point in the organizational timeline, and how he’s elevated our team. All I can say is that Chris has been all we could have hoped for and more.”

All of the love that Paul has for the Oklahoma City organization doesn’t mean that he still isn’t chasing a championship ring. He is.

He knows it might not happen for him, and he knows it’s unlikely that it will happen with the Thunder. But he’s excited to be part of a team that’s going to compete night in and night out.

“We have a fun team. That’s all you want. A chance and an opportunity to compete. I guess I’m just different. Analytics may say this, the odds may say this. When the ball goes up that night, I think we have a chance to win.”

I think people are only looking at his salary..CP3 brings much more to the Table than assist and points. I don't think you guys realize how lost our young guys are. Having him and Morris on the knicks will be such a benefit to every young player on the team, considering we are more than like drafting a PG in this yrs draft.

I think you need to look beyond the salary when discussing CP3's worth...Besides in 3 yrs his salary is not going to look as bad as it does now because that's going to be the going rate for above avg players.

Look how productive Jason kid was at 38/39, if it wasn't for his leadership we would have never won 54 games


Morris would be included in the above trade. I don't really care how much anyone gets paid, just the impact it has on the team making any other moves.

I get that, but look at who were talking about here (mills and Perry) dude they are not making any power moves..

Up until last summer they were hoping to net a late first rounder or early 2nd rounder for frank and since the couldn't do that they extended him and DSJ.

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1/23/2020  3:45 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
fishmike wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:Is there a market for Elf and Portis? Also, I would consider deals for Bullock and Taj. I like both guys but Bullock is on a really team friendly contract and could be in demand. Ellington may end up being bought out if there isn't a deal for him.
IDK about Portis but his contract is super trade friendly.

What if OKC offers you two first rounders to take CP3 for Elf and Portis and Morris? Remember they have a treasure chest of picks.
Shroeder replaces CP3 in the starting lineup. Morris replaces Fergesen. They field a big potent 2-way line up. Steve Adams in the middle. Morris/Gallo at the forwards (talk about size+spacing) and two pretty good young attacking guards in SGA and Schroder. Elf is the backup PG and would be a good one. Portis they can do what they want with.

This shaves like $70mm in commitment to CP3.

Yes it kills Knicks cap.

BUT

It sets up the Knicks with a real floor general in CP3 in the short term. He will immediately help.
We keep all your young players.
We know have all our first rounders + 4 extra #1s from Dallas/OKC. So we would now be players in a potential superstar type trade if something were to free up.

OR maybe we just draft well and have a nice pipeline of young talent like you see with Denver and Toronto.

Some would see this is typical KNicks with CP3 being the savior only 10 years too late, but really it would be a quality floor general with a very young roster and guys you hope starting coming into their own.

Im pretty jaded on the FA front... 4 extra first rounders in the fold is a solid start


Chris Paul would help us do what if we make that trade? We can fall into the lottery just as easily with Chris as we can without him? But not only would we suck, but we'd lose cap flexibility.
you take CP3 because he comes with 2 first round picks (or more) attached to him.

As far as cap goes I am working under the assumption that while Dolan is here no marquee FAs are coming. There will be no Lebron/Bosh duo coming in. But CP3 is playing very well. He's just not worth the money, especially to a small market luxury sensitive team.

With the Dallas picks Knicks could have 7 first rounders in the next 3 years. Also you have CP3 a guy who can an offense and helps execute better plays then the "RJ smash his way to basket" play

Its just another angle to find a way to bring in talent.

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1/23/2020  3:57 PM
fishmike wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
fishmike wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:Is there a market for Elf and Portis? Also, I would consider deals for Bullock and Taj. I like both guys but Bullock is on a really team friendly contract and could be in demand. Ellington may end up being bought out if there isn't a deal for him.
IDK about Portis but his contract is super trade friendly.

What if OKC offers you two first rounders to take CP3 for Elf and Portis and Morris? Remember they have a treasure chest of picks.
Shroeder replaces CP3 in the starting lineup. Morris replaces Fergesen. They field a big potent 2-way line up. Steve Adams in the middle. Morris/Gallo at the forwards (talk about size+spacing) and two pretty good young attacking guards in SGA and Schroder. Elf is the backup PG and would be a good one. Portis they can do what they want with.

This shaves like $70mm in commitment to CP3.

Yes it kills Knicks cap.

BUT

It sets up the Knicks with a real floor general in CP3 in the short term. He will immediately help.
We keep all your young players.
We know have all our first rounders + 4 extra #1s from Dallas/OKC. So we would now be players in a potential superstar type trade if something were to free up.

OR maybe we just draft well and have a nice pipeline of young talent like you see with Denver and Toronto.

Some would see this is typical KNicks with CP3 being the savior only 10 years too late, but really it would be a quality floor general with a very young roster and guys you hope starting coming into their own.

Im pretty jaded on the FA front... 4 extra first rounders in the fold is a solid start


Chris Paul would help us do what if we make that trade? We can fall into the lottery just as easily with Chris as we can without him? But not only would we suck, but we'd lose cap flexibility.
you take CP3 because he comes with 2 first round picks (or more) attached to him.

As far as cap goes I am working under the assumption that while Dolan is here no marquee FAs are coming. There will be no Lebron/Bosh duo coming in. But CP3 is playing very well. He's just not worth the money, especially to a small market luxury sensitive team.

With the Dallas picks Knicks could have 7 first rounders in the next 3 years. Also you have CP3 a guy who can an offense and helps execute better plays then the "RJ smash his way to basket" play

Its just another angle to find a way to bring in talent.


OK, so you're looking at it purely from an asset aquisition mindset. It would depend on the picks. As for cap, you need to be in it to win it. Even if it's through a trade, you need to have cap to even be in the conversation. Remember how worried people got when the KAT rumors surfaced? Before, most people would have just rolled their eyes. Now though those rumors have a little more merit because we have the infrastructure in place to get a deal done. We don't have the most impressive stockpile of assets, but we do have enough to be considered a "darkhorse" in most talks now.
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1/23/2020  4:42 PM
fishmike wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:Is there a market for Elf and Portis? Also, I would consider deals for Bullock and Taj. I like both guys but Bullock is on a really team friendly contract and could be in demand. Ellington may end up being bought out if there isn't a deal for him.
IDK about Portis but his contract is super trade friendly.

What if OKC offers you two first rounders to take CP3 for Elf and Portis and Morris? Remember they have a treasure chest of picks.
Shroeder replaces CP3 in the starting lineup. Morris replaces Fergesen. They field a big potent 2-way line up. Steve Adams in the middle. Morris/Gallo at the forwards (talk about size+spacing) and two pretty good young attacking guards in SGA and Schroder. Elf is the backup PG and would be a good one. Portis they can do what they want with.

This shaves like $70mm in commitment to CP3.

Yes it kills Knicks cap.

BUT

It sets up the Knicks with a real floor general in CP3 in the short term. He will immediately help.
We keep all your young players.
We know have all our first rounders + 4 extra #1s from Dallas/OKC. So we would now be players in a potential superstar type trade if something were to free up.

OR maybe we just draft well and have a nice pipeline of young talent like you see with Denver and Toronto.

Some would see this is typical KNicks with CP3 being the savior only 10 years too late, but really it would be a quality floor general with a very young roster and guys you hope starting coming into their own.

Im pretty jaded on the FA front... 4 extra first rounders in the fold is a solid start


Interesting thought. I am pretty much done with Randle but a big upgrade at the point might make him a keeper. I don't think the Knicks are players for Giannis. The more bites at the apple take certainly has merits. Also, the Knicks should try to get Malik Beasley from Denver. He might be available for a couple of seconds.
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1/23/2020  4:59 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
fishmike wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
fishmike wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:Is there a market for Elf and Portis? Also, I would consider deals for Bullock and Taj. I like both guys but Bullock is on a really team friendly contract and could be in demand. Ellington may end up being bought out if there isn't a deal for him.
IDK about Portis but his contract is super trade friendly.

What if OKC offers you two first rounders to take CP3 for Elf and Portis and Morris? Remember they have a treasure chest of picks.
Shroeder replaces CP3 in the starting lineup. Morris replaces Fergesen. They field a big potent 2-way line up. Steve Adams in the middle. Morris/Gallo at the forwards (talk about size+spacing) and two pretty good young attacking guards in SGA and Schroder. Elf is the backup PG and would be a good one. Portis they can do what they want with.

This shaves like $70mm in commitment to CP3.

Yes it kills Knicks cap.

BUT

It sets up the Knicks with a real floor general in CP3 in the short term. He will immediately help.
We keep all your young players.
We know have all our first rounders + 4 extra #1s from Dallas/OKC. So we would now be players in a potential superstar type trade if something were to free up.

OR maybe we just draft well and have a nice pipeline of young talent like you see with Denver and Toronto.

Some would see this is typical KNicks with CP3 being the savior only 10 years too late, but really it would be a quality floor general with a very young roster and guys you hope starting coming into their own.

Im pretty jaded on the FA front... 4 extra first rounders in the fold is a solid start


Chris Paul would help us do what if we make that trade? We can fall into the lottery just as easily with Chris as we can without him? But not only would we suck, but we'd lose cap flexibility.
you take CP3 because he comes with 2 first round picks (or more) attached to him.

As far as cap goes I am working under the assumption that while Dolan is here no marquee FAs are coming. There will be no Lebron/Bosh duo coming in. But CP3 is playing very well. He's just not worth the money, especially to a small market luxury sensitive team.

With the Dallas picks Knicks could have 7 first rounders in the next 3 years. Also you have CP3 a guy who can an offense and helps execute better plays then the "RJ smash his way to basket" play

Its just another angle to find a way to bring in talent.


OK, so you're looking at it purely from an asset aquisition mindset. It would depend on the picks. As for cap, you need to be in it to win it. Even if it's through a trade, you need to have cap to even be in the conversation. Remember how worried people got when the KAT rumors surfaced? Before, most people would have just rolled their eyes. Now though those rumors have a little more merit because we have the infrastructure in place to get a deal done. We don't have the most impressive stockpile of assets, but we do have enough to be considered a "darkhorse" in most talks now.
primarily yes... not purely. CP3 is a massive upgrade over any guard play we have seen in eons. It means there is only room for one other PG on the roster also (rotation) but I think a guy like that is really needed. Obviously his pricetag is stupid so you make them pay. Moving CP3 allows OKC to really revamp their roster how they want. With him there its an absolute albatross. I think they are ready to win a bit sooner than thought. They have a nice young core and like 8 extra #1s from the Westbrook/PG trades.

Food for thought

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1/23/2020  5:03 PM
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fishmike wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:Is there a market for Elf and Portis? Also, I would consider deals for Bullock and Taj. I like both guys but Bullock is on a really team friendly contract and could be in demand. Ellington may end up being bought out if there isn't a deal for him.
IDK about Portis but his contract is super trade friendly.

What if OKC offers you two first rounders to take CP3 for Elf and Portis and Morris? Remember they have a treasure chest of picks.
Shroeder replaces CP3 in the starting lineup. Morris replaces Fergesen. They field a big potent 2-way line up. Steve Adams in the middle. Morris/Gallo at the forwards (talk about size+spacing) and two pretty good young attacking guards in SGA and Schroder. Elf is the backup PG and would be a good one. Portis they can do what they want with.

This shaves like $70mm in commitment to CP3.

Yes it kills Knicks cap.

BUT

It sets up the Knicks with a real floor general in CP3 in the short term. He will immediately help.
We keep all your young players.
We know have all our first rounders + 4 extra #1s from Dallas/OKC. So we would now be players in a potential superstar type trade if something were to free up.

OR maybe we just draft well and have a nice pipeline of young talent like you see with Denver and Toronto.

Some would see this is typical KNicks with CP3 being the savior only 10 years too late, but really it would be a quality floor general with a very young roster and guys you hope starting coming into their own.

Im pretty jaded on the FA front... 4 extra first rounders in the fold is a solid start


Interesting thought. I am pretty much done with Randle but a big upgrade at the point might make him a keeper. I don't think the Knicks are players for Giannis. The more bites at the apple take certainly has merits. Also, the Knicks should try to get Malik Beasley from Denver. He might be available for a couple of seconds.
Right a precision PG would really open things up for him for sure, also making him a really nice asset as well. More bites on the apple is it exactly.

Feels like the fastest path to building up a good young core of players is lots of first rounders and a stable PG/floor general. Why would Giannis or anyone short of Amare/Melo types come here?

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1/23/2020  5:55 PM
fishmike wrote:You trade Elf, Marcus, Portis, Ellington, Dotson and Randle for literally any expiring garbage player attached to a 1st or 2nd rounder.
You keep Taj and Bullock because they are the only guys with good fundamentals on both sides off the ball, and Bullock has a super cap friendly deal for next year as well.

PG Frank/DSR/Kadeem (I dont care who starts)
SG RJ/Trier/Bullock
SF Knox/Iggy
PF Wooten (Knox and Taj can play here also)
C Taj/Mitch

We are just past halfway. Enough time to let that group play through some mistakes and see what we got. I want to see Frank play through mistakes, DSJ get healthy and lead a 2nd unit of DSJ/Trier/Mitch

Been saying since pre season that I hoped the plan was to try to make the playoffs and if not, sell and play the kids.

Problem is. we are only six games back in the win column. And Miller has them playing better. FO probably seeing the same. Probably a mirage but both Mills and Dolan have something to prove.

Trying to think if they may be able to do both? RJ, Mitch have been getting their minutes. Knox has been hurt with Morris, Bullock getting more minutes. If we deal Portis and try to get a pick that does not help Knox. Bullock played some minutes at the 3 when Dotson is in. Dotson spelled Bullock last night so maybe FO sees that we can do without Bullock, who i like. Get a pick for him? Free up minutes for Dot and Knox? Only issue is at PG. No coincidence that the Knicks have played better with Payton back in the lineup. He is our best PG so far. So that leaves Frank and Smith to scrap. Hard to get it going for them if that is the case. Don't want to trade either of them due to low value and feel Frank is playing better and Smith has shown potential 2 previous years aside from last 22 injury filled games with limited minutes. Would like to think that we can get to the playoffs with Frank as a starter. But that may be hopeful thinking and contrary to what we have seen this year. It will be interesting to see what the FO decides. Just hope we don't go all in on a starphuck.

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1/23/2020  8:55 PM
smackeddog wrote:Looks happy to be a Knick!


Hes a dead man walking. Just waiting to be traded.

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1/23/2020  9:38 PM
blkexec wrote:
smackeddog wrote:Looks happy to be a Knick!


Hes a dead man walking. Just waiting to be traded.

Smith was booed at msg. Not sure where you go from there as a 22 yr old.
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1/24/2020  9:10 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/24/2020  9:12 AM
blkexec wrote:
smackeddog wrote:Looks happy to be a Knick!


Hes a dead man walking. Just waiting to be traded.

What is he trying to accomplish by being traded? He has 2 very medicore PGs ahead of him here. Most teams have a better starting PG than Payton. This is still one of his best opportunities in the league to take over as a big contributor. Does he blame the Knicks for his horrible performance this year? Can he simply not handle this market and needs a small market? Maybe Minnesota is a better place for him but ultimately he needs to perform or he will be out of the league.

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