Nalod wrote:

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BigDaddyG wrote:

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I know it isn't a position of need but this guy can create his own shot, bring the ball up, shoot, make some sweet passes and this film is from the second-best league in the world - not the Australian league ball is in.

If we land around 6 get me avdija.
Trade the clippers pick + Knox + whatever else to get a later lottery pick and pickup whatever PG falls. Most mock drafts have cole falling to 8-10 range

His shooting still needs work, but I agree with you. I'd be happy with him at 6. I see him filling out and becoming a perimeter 4 in the future. I'd be fine with Cole too.

I watched a lot of Deni’s games this season so I’m reasonably familiar with him. Euro league games showed frequently in UK. Unfortunately people fall in love with the notion of drafting the next Luka. I see him really struggling at the NBA level. Even average NBA wings will murder him on D. He lacks athleticism and physicality in comparison to his NBA counterparts. He is far to reliant on his dominant hand, the tape flatters his passing ability. The plus is his perimeter offence. Deni’s jumper is wet. But Luka he ain’t.

And if we’re drafting for perimeter offence I’d much rather go Nesmith or Bey any day. I wouldn’t be disappointed with Cole. Far worse PGs in this draft.

The 6th pick guy all have holes in there games. When your drafting a teenager your hiring a prospect not a finished product. Video on all these guys make them look great.
Luka had his distracters as well. “Too slow”.......not athletic enough, etc. Non of these guys are sure bets and the odds are not favorable they rise to be allstars. IF they are just solid role players is that a disappointment?

Yeah I agree with all prospects having their respective qualities and flaws absolutely. I’m just not massively high on Deni. After watching Luka in the Euro league prior to his NBA debut you knew his game would transfer well, granted I didn’t see him becoming the dominant perennial all star this quickly though!!

My personal preference would be not to draft Deni. Reminds me of Markkanen from CHI - plays soft. We just have to concede that this isn’t a particularly strong draft. My draft order preference would look something like the below based on bpa and team requirements.

Edwards
Wiseman
Haliburton
Okongwu
Cole

Lower in the draft I think Bey and Nesmith would be great additions.

Solid role players wouldn’t be a disappointment, but my attitude is ‘’I want more for us now’’. Think bigger and better.

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Just wondering what the record for one team's roster of guards who can't shoot?

WP76 wrote:

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Just wondering what the record for one team's roster of guards who can't shoot?

WP76 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

WP76 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

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Just wondering what the record for one team's roster of guards who can't shoot?

At least one of them has got to improve. I mean, it happens for other teams. Why not us. The gods have to reward us once in awhile.

I really like your attitude but, as a Knicks fan of about 50 years, my optimism light is burnt out.

I get it, but if the team is no longer willing to take any risks, they may as well pack up and give up. Eventually you have to take risks, be it draft picks, traded or signings- you can't just not do anything. I'm thinking back tot he Steph Curry draft when D'Antoni was running his mouth of saying how much he liked him, and someone on this board (might have been BRIGGs) said if he was our guy, we need to trade up. I was against it because at the time he was a bit risk and I didn't want to waste any future assets- boy was I wrong! Bottom line for me is, the draft is one of, if not the only, realistic ways of us adding a star. If we do our research on LaMelo and he checks out, do it!

smackeddog wrote:I hope this doesn't happen:

The NBA is considering shortening the 19-20 regular season to 70 games with play resuming in July. Teams have played approximately 65 games apiece before the season was suspended.

The potential solutions are “fluid,” one source said.

Playing an additional five regular season games would give playoff contenders an opportunity to play for seeding, while lottery teams would also participate.

If the pandemic doesn't allow the NBA to resume play in July, a relaunch in August is in play with the possibility of instead going straight into the playoffs.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/258221/NBA-Considering-Shortening-19-20-Regular-Season-To-70-Games

We're the only lottery team dumb enough to try to win those meaningless games. 3 more wins and we're down to 9th

Damn. I’m all for addition via subtraction here.

There are many scenarios that play out. True, curry might have tilted things in NY, Melo would be happy to have him in the back court, and gravity of fortune changes. D'antoni resigns and the team pulls Melo to a higher pace game and we draft better. Im not obsolving Walsh of malpractice but I with the clarithy of hindsight I won't simply point to him as the architect of our pain. All things similar you still have the issues of Melo wanting to play in NY, , and Curry's injury. It's easy to think Knicks and their fans would be patient with curry but once again, your looking at him as a missed HOF talent, that time when it happend it was far from most practical projections.
Seriously...........Curry was not even Jordan coming out of college. He was doing great things at Davidson. Not at North Carolina and not in the ACC!
Hindsight Curry goes no. 1 that year with what you and the rest of us know. Objectively he should not have gone any lower than 4th. Hindsight we have been a mess. Minny messed up not once, but twice. Think Sac is hitting themselves they took Tyreke Evens over him?

Yes. Obviusly that draft was seen as a 6 player draft. Not much was picked below HIll, so the lets just say what was the price we had to pay for a team to drop down as the value of the 8th pick was obviously not great. Yes, we shoujld have taken Derozen but that would have set a whole other sequence. Mostly would have ended in a trade with Denver. Maybe we keep Gallo if that was the case. The Grizz took THabeet!!!!

Nalod wrote:Its all weird. Here is my take. MInny was hell bent on Rubio and Flynn. Thats obvious. They had to have thought if they took Curry in a deal for the knicks then GSW takes either Rubio or Flynn. Their take had to be thinking that Rubio does not come over right away and they'd wait him out. In the mean time Flynn looked ready to play. Curry as we learned needed a few years to become the great one. Hindsight tells us what happend.
Lets just assume Donnie did call Kahn and he told him no. Remember, we now know donnie should have emptied the vault to get this kid but lets be honest, Curry was not seen as a HOF talent then.
Lets also be honest, Curry struggled for three years as he was undersized and his ankle issues were problematic. At that moment did Kahn want Hill or Derozen, and what do we give go move up? The thought of coaching this kid as he did Nash, Lin and Harden is incredible.
Your really can't look at this without any thought that MDA might not have lasted with a struggling Curry, and if Denver wanted Curry as part of the Melo trade in those first three years its more probable he goes. Does that mean we hold another player in the trade?
There is another thing to consider and thats Melo playing with Curry and the chemistry of that.

There are many scenarios that play out. True, curry might have tilted things in NY, Melo would be happy to have him in the back court, and gravity of fortune changes. D'antoni resigns and the team pulls Melo to a higher pace game and we draft better. Im not obsolving Walsh of malpractice but I with the clarithy of hindsight I won't simply point to him as the architect of our pain. All things similar you still have the issues of Melo wanting to play in NY, , and Curry's injury. It's easy to think Knicks and their fans would be patient with curry but once again, your looking at him as a missed HOF talent, that time when it happend it was far from most practical projections.
Seriously...........Curry was not even Jordan coming out of college. He was doing great things at Davidson. Not at North Carolina and not in the ACC!
Hindsight Curry goes no. 1 that year with what you and the rest of us know. Objectively he should not have gone any lower than 4th. Hindsight we have been a mess. Minny messed up not once, but twice. Think Sac is hitting themselves they took Tyreke Evens over him?

Yes. Obviusly that draft was seen as a 6 player draft. Not much was picked below HIll, so the lets just say what was the price we had to pay for a team to drop down as the value of the 8th pick was obviously not great. Yes, we shoujld have taken Derozen but that would have set a whole other sequence. Mostly would have ended in a trade with Denver. Maybe we keep Gallo if that was the case. The Grizz took THabeet!!!!

Ty Lawson, Jeff Teafue, even Collinson would have been huge difference makers for us, I like a lot of your analysis, but I don't agree there wasn't much after 8.my issue is it seemed like there was a complete lack of research done and that resulted in making a terrible pick

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