Nalod wrote:By some strange metric had Miller been at the helm at the start of the season might we have won an additional 5 games thus far?
If so, we would have equaled the win total from last year by now. If the expectation was about 27-30 wins, that would have been a vast improvement over last year.

Fiz was a disaster. As a fan I want to know (not conjecture or blog supported) what exactly happened that coach Bud was not offered a contract and was it in fact his first choice to be here?
Mills is the president and it falls on him, but did the guy that signs the pay checks have any input and make the final choice? Fiz had the recruiting slant and public relations slant. Good media guy.
Bud was a basketball coach. I don't know how good Bud does but we do know Fiz was not all we hoped. If Dolan wanted Bud and Mills advocates for Fiz, its not a good look. If Dolan wanted Fiz and got his way (its the owners prerogative) then Dolan can't really put that on Mills.
Its a question none of us really know the answer. We were not in the room. You might call for change and want mills gone but every team has an owner and the owner has final say. For Phil deserved to be fired and by the time he wanted to trade KP Dolan stopped it by firing him. Unless you think its a day time drama where Mills conspires to have phil run out of town because he was jealous of Phil's power and vowed to "get him one day".

Mills needing to be fired is due to his very long involvement with failure here. The way he has acted and what he has done to the Knicks will probably keep him from having any place in any other NBA organization. Backstabbing gets around the league before long. Although the guys he brought on are staring to gel and play better, if we want to build a quality team and change the culture, he has to go. Sadly, I do not think he will ever be totally out of the operations as long as Dolan is the owner. Simply, he is Dolan's watch dog. If he is let go, I guarantee Dolan will replace him with just another watch dog/puppet to carry out his wishes.

Miller has done a great job. Think he should be given a chance to continue to build something. Squad has played better. What ever Miler is doing it is clear that it is motivating players more than what Fiz was doing. Or perhaps it was the player meeting that the Roster had the day before Fiz got fired. Could have been a meeting in which players got called out for their willingness to share the ball. Think the season started with many of short term players trying to pad stats in order to get a long term contract somewhere else. Do feel Miller is running more pick and rolls and making guys accountable. He has been a plus.

Nalod wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Nalod wrote:By some strange metric had Miller been at the helm at the start of the season might we have won an additional 5 games thus far?
If so, we would have equaled the win total from last year by now. If the expectation was about 27-30 wins, that would have been a vast improvement over last year.

Fiz was a disaster. As a fan I want to know (not conjecture or blog supported) what exactly happened that coach Bud was not offered a contract and was it in fact his first choice to be here?
Mills is the president and it falls on him, but did the guy that signs the pay checks have any input and make the final choice? Fiz had the recruiting slant and public relations slant. Good media guy.
Bud was a basketball coach. I don't know how good Bud does but we do know Fiz was not all we hoped. If Dolan wanted Bud and Mills advocates for Fiz, its not a good look. If Dolan wanted Fiz and got his way (its the owners prerogative) then Dolan can't really put that on Mills.
Its a question none of us really know the answer. We were not in the room. You might call for change and want mills gone but every team has an owner and the owner has final say. For Phil deserved to be fired and by the time he wanted to trade KP Dolan stopped it by firing him. Unless you think its a day time drama where Mills conspires to have phil run out of town because he was jealous of Phil's power and vowed to "get him one day".

Mills needing to be fired is due to his very long involvement with failure here. The way he has acted and what he has done to the Knicks will probably keep him from having any place in any other NBA organization. Backstabbing gets around the league before long. Although the guys he brought on are staring to gel and play better, if we want to build a quality team and change the culture, he has to go. Sadly, I do not think he will ever be totally out of the operations as long as Dolan is the owner. Simply, he is Dolan's watch dog. If he is let go, I guarantee Dolan will replace him with just another watch dog/puppet to carry out his wishes.

Miller has done a great job. Think he should be given a chance to continue to build something. Squad has played better. What ever Miler is doing it is clear that it is motivating players more than what Fiz was doing. Or perhaps it was the player meeting that the Roster had the day before Fiz got fired. Could have been a meeting in which players got called out for their willingness to share the ball. Think the season started with many of short term players trying to pad stats in order to get a long term contract somewhere else. Do feel Miller is running more pick and rolls and making guys accountable. He has been a plus.

Did Phil deserve to be fired?

This is sports dude, every GM/Presidents are judged on wins and losses and at the very least..PROGRESSION.

Mills has failed in that area BIG TIME..

mills and perry are so petrified at making a bad move, that they would rather make a low risk move that actually does no good or no REAL harm (TO THE SALARY CAP).

They sat there and believe that because phil was gone stars were going to coming running.

The way the Handle Noah, Kanter, Melo,willy and KP made them look even worse than they already were.

They thought that loosing would be understood by fans and free agents

They thought THJ was on his way to being a star, they thought baker was a reincarnation of jeff hornacek

They thought Jack would fill a jason kidd type role

They thought Knox was the next Tatum or kuzma.

All this comes from a lack of experience and having a clueless owner

the way the handle Fiz was a public Embarrassment.

Nalod wrote:If the knicks are to make a front office change who does this? Dolan or MSG sports president Andrew Lustgarten? He is in charge of sports. How do you replace a FO? When do you do this. This group is not together three full years. What is Presti doing now? Over seeing his scouts and grease board. Do we fire our crew in April and what of the scouts? Can we put together a FO without guys that are involved in the playoffs for other teams? Then your drafting your own guys without the new guy. What about draft day trade scenarios?
Im not endorsing Mills, Im just asking the questions about how things get done and how long would it take to assemble a new group and what can we expect.
Facts you blow it you also blow up any momentum that might be under the surface that we can't see because of our anger. Nalod don't care about Mills, I just don't want to "throw the baby out with the bathwater".
Bringing in a guy with cred does not change a thing. We don't change history. The chess pieces that are on the board are unique to us. Question is how would the new person (might be a women) actually play the game going forward. Hindsight is easy.
If MIlls is the issue, then he has to go. I just can't buy into the view that Mills is the only problem. There have been so many influences here over 20 years. He might have been the voice of reason Dolan did not listen to? Can any of you tell me for sure he is not?
Even if he did hire Isiah based Magic Johnson recommendation (we tried to hire him), we do know Mills took the hit when the lawsuit was settled and Dolan was the one who did not want to settle? Dolan was the one that wanted ISiah to actually come back, he hired him to run the liberty. THink about how phuched that was, Hire a guy who sextually harassed women to run a WNBA team!
Mills might not be the solution but the problems are deeper and have been for a very long time. There is just not one thing that stands out that says "Keep Mills" but nothing egregious either that say "Fire him!!" Hardaways contract? Trading KP? After Mills, what is Perry's legacy? Drafting Mitchell? Last thing we need is another panic move. My take is if its well thought out and implemented properly I'd endorse any moves. I don't trust the people at the top when they panic. We tend to make it worse. I trust Mills more than Dolan. That's not an endorsement, its just sad.

Nalod wrote:If the knicks are to make a front office change who does this? Dolan or MSG sports president Andrew Lustgarten? He is in charge of sports. How do you replace a FO? When do you do this. This group is not together three full years. What is Presti doing now? Over seeing his scouts and grease board. Do we fire our crew in April and what of the scouts? Can we put together a FO without guys that are involved in the playoffs for other teams? Then your drafting your own guys without the new guy. What about draft day trade scenarios?
Im not endorsing Mills, Im just asking the questions about how things get done and how long would it take to assemble a new group and what can we expect.
Facts you blow it you also blow up any momentum that might be under the surface that we can't see because of our anger. Nalod don't care about Mills, I just don't want to "throw the baby out with the bathwater".
Bringing in a guy with cred does not change a thing. We don't change history. The chess pieces that are on the board are unique to us. Question is how would the new person (might be a women) actually play the game going forward. Hindsight is easy.
If MIlls is the issue, then he has to go. I just can't buy into the view that Mills is the only problem. There have been so many influences here over 20 years. He might have been the voice of reason Dolan did not listen to? Can any of you tell me for sure he is not?
Even if he did hire Isiah based Magic Johnson recommendation (we tried to hire him), we do know Mills took the hit when the lawsuit was settled and Dolan was the one who did not want to settle? Dolan was the one that wanted ISiah to actually come back, he hired him to run the liberty. THink about how phuched that was, Hire a guy who sextually harassed women to run a WNBA team!
Mills might not be the solution but the problems are deeper and have been for a very long time. There is just not one thing that stands out that says "Keep Mills" but nothing egregious either that say "Fire him!!" Hardaways contract? Trading KP? After Mills, what is Perry's legacy? Drafting Mitchell? Last thing we need is another panic move. My take is if its well thought out and implemented properly I'd endorse any moves. I don't trust the people at the top when they panic. We tend to make it worse. I trust Mills more than Dolan. That's not an endorsement, its just sad.

Your post is 100% a backing of Mills since you fail to see how Mills has been a cancer to the organization for years and a terrible basketball executive overall. Even asking why the need to fire Mills is an insult to the intelligence of this fanbase.

The reasons have already been explained thoroughly. Steve Mills and Scott Perry continually sign and/or trade and/or draft the type of players who are not winning basketball players. Aka they chase players who may have a physical attribute but absolutely zero mental attributes. All of the players they've acquired share similar qualities and none of them are good.

The Knicks have never hired a quality basketball executive outside of Donnie Walsh because of Dolan's need for power and yes men. If they were to hire a good basketball man like a Presti or Ujiri or someone of that ilk and IF (biggest if of all time) they gave these men full autonomy to hire and fire whoever they wanted in the basketball operations department and make any move they wanted without questions then this would be the only saving grace left for the franchise. Dolan is not selling the team. That dream, as much as I want it to happen and as much as it would be the cure that's ailing the franchise, is never going to happen. Dolan will own the team until he dies. The only thing left as a fan is to hope and pray that we get a top executive and allow them to make the moves they want without interference for the idiot known as Dolan. Otherwise, if we can't do that, there's nothing left for this franchise. There's nothing positive going on here. It's becoming more and more irrelevant as the years pass.

JamesKPolk wrote:

Nalod wrote:If the knicks are to make a front office change who does this? Dolan or MSG sports president Andrew Lustgarten? He is in charge of sports. How do you replace a FO? When do you do this. This group is not together three full years. What is Presti doing now? Over seeing his scouts and grease board. Do we fire our crew in April and what of the scouts? Can we put together a FO without guys that are involved in the playoffs for other teams? Then your drafting your own guys without the new guy. What about draft day trade scenarios?
Im not endorsing Mills, Im just asking the questions about how things get done and how long would it take to assemble a new group and what can we expect.
Facts you blow it you also blow up any momentum that might be under the surface that we can't see because of our anger. Nalod don't care about Mills, I just don't want to "throw the baby out with the bathwater".
Bringing in a guy with cred does not change a thing. We don't change history. The chess pieces that are on the board are unique to us. Question is how would the new person (might be a women) actually play the game going forward. Hindsight is easy.
If MIlls is the issue, then he has to go. I just can't buy into the view that Mills is the only problem. There have been so many influences here over 20 years. He might have been the voice of reason Dolan did not listen to? Can any of you tell me for sure he is not?
Even if he did hire Isiah based Magic Johnson recommendation (we tried to hire him), we do know Mills took the hit when the lawsuit was settled and Dolan was the one who did not want to settle? Dolan was the one that wanted ISiah to actually come back, he hired him to run the liberty. THink about how phuched that was, Hire a guy who sextually harassed women to run a WNBA team!
Mills might not be the solution but the problems are deeper and have been for a very long time. There is just not one thing that stands out that says "Keep Mills" but nothing egregious either that say "Fire him!!" Hardaways contract? Trading KP? After Mills, what is Perry's legacy? Drafting Mitchell? Last thing we need is another panic move. My take is if its well thought out and implemented properly I'd endorse any moves. I don't trust the people at the top when they panic. We tend to make it worse. I trust Mills more than Dolan. That's not an endorsement, its just sad.

Your post is 100% a backing of Mills since you fail to see how Mills has been a cancer to the organization for years and a terrible basketball executive overall. Even asking why the need to fire Mills is an insult to the intelligence of this fanbase.

The reasons have already been explained thoroughly. Steve Mills and Scott Perry continually sign and/or trade and/or draft the type of players who are not winning basketball players. Aka they chase players who may have a physical attribute but absolutely zero mental attributes. All of the players they've acquired share similar qualities and none of them are good.

The Knicks have never hired a quality basketball executive outside of Donnie Walsh because of Dolan's need for power and yes men. If they were to hire a good basketball man like a Presti or Ujiri or someone of that ilk and IF (biggest if of all time) they gave these men full autonomy to hire and fire whoever they wanted in the basketball operations department and make any move they wanted without questions then this would be the only saving grace left for the franchise. Dolan is not selling the team. That dream, as much as I want it to happen and as much as it would be the cure that's ailing the franchise, is never going to happen. Dolan will own the team until he dies. The only thing left as a fan is to hope and pray that we get a top executive and allow them to make the moves they want without interference for the idiot known as Dolan. Otherwise, if we can't do that, there's nothing left for this franchise. There's nothing positive going on here. It's becoming more and more irrelevant as the years pass.

I’m not endorsing Mills, What I am discussing is we know Dolan is the root of issue but its kind of silly to say just because Mills was on the peripheral does not mean he was the cause. Everybody here can only guess. The Rainman does not know his thoughts. He barely knows his own. Just became Dolan cannot be extracted does not mean we have to grab the next guy and beat him up. WE did that how many times? “Panic” over and over again. Bad way to run a franchise. That so many are hanging hope on Mills gone is symptomatic of what we do over and over the the years as fans. Savior StarPhuching. Isiah and Phil were that. We want Ujiri or Presti now.
I don’t see Mills making god awful moves. fact is if over reaching becomes the norm thats where it gets ugly. Over paying to move up in the draft, McDyess type deals, Amare, getting a star but not support the plan, etc......Mills over paid for Hardaway because he needed someone to shoot with KP, Paid Baker 4mm per? Hired Fiz who a lot of teams also wanted. These are not franchise killers, and what is not being discuss is what else was on the table? Coach Bud, I agree would have been the better choice but we don’t know the gig do we? Who was next for KP if not Hardaway? Thats my point, we blast Mills but the reality is the table was set for him by Phil. Sure he was in the room, but Phil drove the teams decisions. I’m ok with what we did by clearing cap because nothing happens unless you have the opportunity. I’m ok we did not get Kelly Oubre, Otto Porter or sign Harris/Middleton for that kind if money. We’d be no further. If we lose Morris for nothing we paid nothing for him either and I’m not sure I want to lock him up. I don’t know the market for him, and thus I’m not going off on locking him or thinking we can get a boatload in return because I don’t know what’s being offered.
All I know is Mills and this FO are fundamentally making the proper choices after disappointments I’m not sure they caused. I’m looking for panic moves. The 7 FA we signed was actually a good idea given the circumstance that Irving is ****ng nuts and Durant was broken. Kawahi was never in the mix. Mills might have some KP blood on his hands but seems like enough blame for all involved.
I love that we are drafting youth and understand not all pan out and trades will need to be made.
IM pleased we canned Fiz as painful as it was. I rarely endorse that kind of thing but it was a good move. Don’t matter if I wanted it or not. I’m not running the team.
Dolan is a fact of life for the knicks and I ask who do you trust more, Dolan or Mills? I dont like panic moves, they are reactionary. IF knicks are to make a FO I hope the wheels are in motion now, not a knee jerk reaction at the end of the season. I’m endorsing sanity, not reactive Savior Starphuching fantasy.

SupremeCommander wrote:How would I replace Mills? I think i would literally decommission everything in the office including furniture, bribe Jerry West to serve as a consultant, and have him draw up how the next FO should look

Doubt West would take the job. I hope Dolan doesnt hire McKinsey again to do a search. Those geniuses thought Mills was the best choice. We had our best run in decades the brief time that Mills was exiled from the Knicks, and they tell Dolan to bring back Mills.

There is only one question that matters, can the Knicks do better than Mills? Of course they can, and should.

Nalod wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Nalod wrote:By some strange metric had Miller been at the helm at the start of the season might we have won an additional 5 games thus far?
If so, we would have equaled the win total from last year by now. If the expectation was about 27-30 wins, that would have been a vast improvement over last year.

Fiz was a disaster. As a fan I want to know (not conjecture or blog supported) what exactly happened that coach Bud was not offered a contract and was it in fact his first choice to be here?
Mills is the president and it falls on him, but did the guy that signs the pay checks have any input and make the final choice? Fiz had the recruiting slant and public relations slant. Good media guy.
Bud was a basketball coach. I don't know how good Bud does but we do know Fiz was not all we hoped. If Dolan wanted Bud and Mills advocates for Fiz, its not a good look. If Dolan wanted Fiz and got his way (its the owners prerogative) then Dolan can't really put that on Mills.
Its a question none of us really know the answer. We were not in the room. You might call for change and want mills gone but every team has an owner and the owner has final say. For Phil deserved to be fired and by the time he wanted to trade KP Dolan stopped it by firing him. Unless you think its a day time drama where Mills conspires to have phil run out of town because he was jealous of Phil's power and vowed to "get him one day".

Mills needing to be fired is due to his very long involvement with failure here. The way he has acted and what he has done to the Knicks will probably keep him from having any place in any other NBA organization. Backstabbing gets around the league before long. Although the guys he brought on are staring to gel and play better, if we want to build a quality team and change the culture, he has to go. Sadly, I do not think he will ever be totally out of the operations as long as Dolan is the owner. Simply, he is Dolan's watch dog. If he is let go, I guarantee Dolan will replace him with just another watch dog/puppet to carry out his wishes.

Miller has done a great job. Think he should be given a chance to continue to build something. Squad has played better. What ever Miler is doing it is clear that it is motivating players more than what Fiz was doing. Or perhaps it was the player meeting that the Roster had the day before Fiz got fired. Could have been a meeting in which players got called out for their willingness to share the ball. Think the season started with many of short term players trying to pad stats in order to get a long term contract somewhere else. Do feel Miller is running more pick and rolls and making guys accountable. He has been a plus.

Did Phil deserve to be fired?

I'll take the bait on this. The problem with Phil was his role. If he served a role like Coughlin did most recently with Jacksonville, and if he were surrounded by a talented GM and FO we might be in a completely different situation. His general plan of having a system, drafting to it, developing to it, having a G-league aligned with the system all make perfect sense. His execution sucked. He gets criticized as Big Chief Triangle but he said, and I believe him, that he would have been happy with alternatives as long as they incorporated passing, team play.

Now we all know he had huge mistakes when he played GM. Ironically many of those mistakes weren't cast as such when they happened (e.g., many thought Noah was the passing big man the team needed; many liked D. Rose over Calderon and his matador defense). That doesn't absolve him. But put it into comparison with Mills who decides to sign THJ to big money WHILE the team is still looking for a GM, then to later consider him such a cap liability you need to trade KP to get someone to take him off your hands).

The other failing with Phil, and one talked less about, is when the organization was considering him, the question should have been what will the FO look like. He brought over very little talent. Now it could have been that he felt he could work with the existing FO, it could have been that none of his prior associates liked him anymore and were happy with their current gig, or it could have been he didn't give a crap and just wanted the $$

One issue: blaming Mills and Mills alone is not much different than blaming Phil (though criticism of Mills is more warranted). this organization needs to clean house and have everyone under the microscope down to the strength and conditioning staff. That's what Riley did (AS A COACH)

knicks1248 wrote:

Chandler wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Nalod wrote:By some strange metric had Miller been at the helm at the start of the season might we have won an additional 5 games thus far?
If so, we would have equaled the win total from last year by now. If the expectation was about 27-30 wins, that would have been a vast improvement over last year.

Fiz was a disaster. As a fan I want to know (not conjecture or blog supported) what exactly happened that coach Bud was not offered a contract and was it in fact his first choice to be here?
Mills is the president and it falls on him, but did the guy that signs the pay checks have any input and make the final choice? Fiz had the recruiting slant and public relations slant. Good media guy.
Bud was a basketball coach. I don't know how good Bud does but we do know Fiz was not all we hoped. If Dolan wanted Bud and Mills advocates for Fiz, its not a good look. If Dolan wanted Fiz and got his way (its the owners prerogative) then Dolan can't really put that on Mills.
Its a question none of us really know the answer. We were not in the room. You might call for change and want mills gone but every team has an owner and the owner has final say. For Phil deserved to be fired and by the time he wanted to trade KP Dolan stopped it by firing him. Unless you think its a day time drama where Mills conspires to have phil run out of town because he was jealous of Phil's power and vowed to "get him one day".

Mills needing to be fired is due to his very long involvement with failure here. The way he has acted and what he has done to the Knicks will probably keep him from having any place in any other NBA organization. Backstabbing gets around the league before long. Although the guys he brought on are staring to gel and play better, if we want to build a quality team and change the culture, he has to go. Sadly, I do not think he will ever be totally out of the operations as long as Dolan is the owner. Simply, he is Dolan's watch dog. If he is let go, I guarantee Dolan will replace him with just another watch dog/puppet to carry out his wishes.

Miller has done a great job. Think he should be given a chance to continue to build something. Squad has played better. What ever Miler is doing it is clear that it is motivating players more than what Fiz was doing. Or perhaps it was the player meeting that the Roster had the day before Fiz got fired. Could have been a meeting in which players got called out for their willingness to share the ball. Think the season started with many of short term players trying to pad stats in order to get a long term contract somewhere else. Do feel Miller is running more pick and rolls and making guys accountable. He has been a plus.

Agree with this post. Jeannie Bush is the only one i know of who essentially publicly called him a back stabber, but I don't think it's a secret. That behavior is indicative of the problem. He's not stand-up; doesn't own his **** -- which he has a lot of. I may be overly jaundiced but I can't think of a single thing Mills has done that I like. I'm not a fan of Perry either but at least I can applaud his second round picks and don't think he flubbed in the first either (as I still think KK will continue to grow and develop; and RJ was the right pick at 3)

Wins motivate players more than speeches. Fiz was clueless -- and not a little clueless, a lot. HE was always swinging for home runs.

Miller deserves a shot. He might not be a magnet for FA superstars but IMO no coach is. They want wins and money (IMO in that order -- since they'll get the money wherever they go); to a lesser degree they also want culture and lifestyle, the latter of which is our best asset at the moment. If you're pulling in 20+ million a year do you want to live in Milwaukee or Detroit?

Isn't miller getting his shot now?

I don't think he is doing a great job, unless you think this is a 15 win roster. I think he is doing better than any coach we had since Woodson, which really Isn't saying much considering all of our previous coaches are no longer HEAD COACHES ON ANY TEAM.

There are too many proven head coaches that are unemployed, so Miller needs to be pretty impressive to convince a New F/O that he's the man.

You want a proven head coach that's not working now. How that work in your mind?

Jeannie Buss, Phils ex called MIlls a back stabber.
What they do?
They smile in your face, all the time they want to take your place.......
Wait, Sorry....

If PHil was doing a bad job, not working, sleeping, and Dolan asks Mills "hows it Goink?", what he suppose to say?
We all saw Phil and what he was doing. In the back room, where nobody was, lets speculate for a minute......

Dolan: Stevo, Phil shopping KP, true right?
Mills: Yeah, you read it in the papers!
Dolan: I don't want him traded, he is a draw. Fans love him.
Phil: Hey man, whats up.
Dolan: Whats going on?
Phil: I exercised my 2 year option. 12mil per.......SahWeet!!!!
Dolan: You trying to trade KP?
Phil: Yeah man, he not coachable, diva, brother is driving me crazy, awkward high center of gravity, Gaines likes his talent but he gonna break.
Dolan: I don't want him traded.
Phil: Hey man, you said "No budinsky", in my contract man! Bogus bro, Bogus!
Dolan: Ok, Buh Bye.
Phil: Dude, really, I can like go back to Malibu? With my 24mil of Bangle?
Dolan: Just leave your Kush, deal?
Phil: Jimbo, thanks man!
dolan: Gag order, don't forget.
Phil: Got 24 mil reasons why! We good broChachoe!
Steve: what about me?
Dolan: I own your ass, go build on KP!
Steve: Ok, can I hire my own guy?
Dolan: sure.
Steve: Ok if they all brothers?
Dolan: Even better!
Steve: No isiah?
Dolan: Over Sterns dead body!
Steve: That can be arranged....
Dolan: Wha?
Steve: Just messing boss!
Dolan: Gonna hire Obama's Brother in Law?
Steve: Princeton baby! Whole lot of them!
Dolan: What ever.......

CrushAlot wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Chandler wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Nalod wrote:By some strange metric had Miller been at the helm at the start of the season might we have won an additional 5 games thus far?
If so, we would have equaled the win total from last year by now. If the expectation was about 27-30 wins, that would have been a vast improvement over last year.

Fiz was a disaster. As a fan I want to know (not conjecture or blog supported) what exactly happened that coach Bud was not offered a contract and was it in fact his first choice to be here?
Mills is the president and it falls on him, but did the guy that signs the pay checks have any input and make the final choice? Fiz had the recruiting slant and public relations slant. Good media guy.
Bud was a basketball coach. I don't know how good Bud does but we do know Fiz was not all we hoped. If Dolan wanted Bud and Mills advocates for Fiz, its not a good look. If Dolan wanted Fiz and got his way (its the owners prerogative) then Dolan can't really put that on Mills.
Its a question none of us really know the answer. We were not in the room. You might call for change and want mills gone but every team has an owner and the owner has final say. For Phil deserved to be fired and by the time he wanted to trade KP Dolan stopped it by firing him. Unless you think its a day time drama where Mills conspires to have phil run out of town because he was jealous of Phil's power and vowed to "get him one day".

Mills needing to be fired is due to his very long involvement with failure here. The way he has acted and what he has done to the Knicks will probably keep him from having any place in any other NBA organization. Backstabbing gets around the league before long. Although the guys he brought on are staring to gel and play better, if we want to build a quality team and change the culture, he has to go. Sadly, I do not think he will ever be totally out of the operations as long as Dolan is the owner. Simply, he is Dolan's watch dog. If he is let go, I guarantee Dolan will replace him with just another watch dog/puppet to carry out his wishes.

Miller has done a great job. Think he should be given a chance to continue to build something. Squad has played better. What ever Miler is doing it is clear that it is motivating players more than what Fiz was doing. Or perhaps it was the player meeting that the Roster had the day before Fiz got fired. Could have been a meeting in which players got called out for their willingness to share the ball. Think the season started with many of short term players trying to pad stats in order to get a long term contract somewhere else. Do feel Miller is running more pick and rolls and making guys accountable. He has been a plus.

Agree with this post. Jeannie Bush is the only one i know of who essentially publicly called him a back stabber, but I don't think it's a secret. That behavior is indicative of the problem. He's not stand-up; doesn't own his **** -- which he has a lot of. I may be overly jaundiced but I can't think of a single thing Mills has done that I like. I'm not a fan of Perry either but at least I can applaud his second round picks and don't think he flubbed in the first either (as I still think KK will continue to grow and develop; and RJ was the right pick at 3)

Wins motivate players more than speeches. Fiz was clueless -- and not a little clueless, a lot. HE was always swinging for home runs.

Miller deserves a shot. He might not be a magnet for FA superstars but IMO no coach is. They want wins and money (IMO in that order -- since they'll get the money wherever they go); to a lesser degree they also want culture and lifestyle, the latter of which is our best asset at the moment. If you're pulling in 20+ million a year do you want to live in Milwaukee or Detroit?

Isn't miller getting his shot now?

I don't think he is doing a great job, unless you think this is a 15 win roster. I think he is doing better than any coach we had since Woodson, which really Isn't saying much considering all of our previous coaches are no longer HEAD COACHES ON ANY TEAM.

There are too many proven head coaches that are unemployed, so Miller needs to be pretty impressive to convince a New F/O that he's the man.

Miller has this team playing at a 30 win pace. He did get Payton and now has Bullock but that is still a respectable job.

agree plus he has been very competitive against some very good teams (whereas with Fizz game was over and fans booing in the second quarter)

Personally i like what I'm seeing; he needs more talent though