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diderotn
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10/1/2004  10:22 AM
TT is ready to go and prove the league that they he belong amongst the best of them. He added a little more muscles, and most of all, he is now dedicated to be the best that he can be. Isiah and Lenny showed him love and his actions after the season proved that he incorporated a little of their suggestion to improving all facades of his game.

If they go to him like I believe they will, he will be the most improve player of the league. However, Lenny will have to use him as a go to guy. He will need at least 15 shots per game. Since they plan on going to him inside a little more, his athleticism will cause nothing but problems for the oposition.
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10/1/2004  10:31 AM
If he wants to show big improvement he should work on not disappearing for huge chunks of games.
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10/1/2004  10:48 AM
He will, please believe. Isiah will get his attention. Remember, we have Ariza that will be waiting on the bench for an opportunity.

Posted by Marv:

If he wants to show big improvement he should work on not disappearing for huge chunks of games.
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10/1/2004  10:51 AM
i don't remember him disappearing as a knick for multiple games. maybe on game but in his limited time as a knick i remember a couple 26pt games and lots of 5-10 FG% 16pts games. If he can average 1 more rebound per game and be over 5, 5 from your small forward is pretty good. Besides we have enough rebounders in nazr, kurt, sweetney, baker and jerome

look at his stats as a knick.
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/tim_thomas/game_by_game_stats.html
I don't see any evidence of dissappearing for huge chunks of games. He scored over 12pts virtually every night.

dissapearing would be 2-8 FG% for only 6pts

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 10/01/2004 10:57:48]

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 10/01/2004 11:11:40]
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10/1/2004  10:56 AM
Tim can put the ball in the basket with anyone... nobody has ever questioned that. His issues are he isnt aggressive enough and lets the game come to him. He's not aggressive on defense or rebounding.. two areas with his size and athletic skills he should excell at.

Lets see him attack the passing lane, crash the glass more and play tougher D, and then he can talk about being an elite player in this league.
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10/1/2004  11:00 AM
i think he will do that in New York if he didn't do it in Milwalkee because the media will let him know as will management and the coaching staff. and like diderotn said Ariza in the wings.
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10/1/2004  11:22 AM
KVH & TT are the same type of players, or better said ,they have the same mentality. If you don't involve them in almost every play they tend to dissappear. But TT took that hit from collins personally, and it's probably what has motivated him.

But all in all I like this team and their approach to the up season. If allan is on, and TT & Vin come to play every night. LOOK OUT.
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10/1/2004  11:50 AM
Very welly said...


Posted by knicks1248:

KVH & TT are the same type of players, or better said ,they have the same mentality. If you don't involve them in almost every play they tend to dissappear. But TT took that hit from collins personally, and it's probably what has motivated him.

But all in all I like this team and their approach to the up season. If allan is on, and TT & Vin come to play every night. LOOK OUT.
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10/1/2004  12:18 PM
Posted by diderotn:

Very welly said...
Posted by knicks1248:

KVH & TT are the same type of players, or better said ,they have the same mentality. If you don't involve them in almost every play they tend to dissappear. But TT took that hit from collins personally, and it's probably what has motivated him.

I would agree with this too, but I have a sneaking suspision that TT will break out of his shell. The dude needed to get knocked on his butt to wake him up. He has the next 2 years to show us he is worthy of a new contract too.

I expect him to step up this year.

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10/1/2004  12:50 PM
to me they are nothing alike. KVH has made a career of disappearing in big spots, 4th qtrs and only our own KT has a bigger dropoff from the regular season to the playoffs than KVH. KVH has a career 17.5/7.4 average and a 11.7/6.4 playoff average. That says a lot in 40 playoff games.

In 33 playoff games TT's numbers are better in virtually every catagory except steals. FG%, 3 pt FG%, FT%, points, rebs, assists, blocks... and in virtually the same minutes. Granted the difference is small in most stats but the picture is clear: TT steps it up when it counts the most. TT attacks the basket late in games. TT is not afraid to take big shots or handle the ball in crunchtime.

To me this is huge when your building a team. KVH didnt want to take shots and was a foul or TO waiting to happen in crunch time. KVH is a more productive player over 82 games... easily, but to me TT will be much more valueable to us
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10/1/2004  1:18 PM
I like that. Excellent analogy..


Posted by fishmike:

to me they are nothing alike. KVH has made a career of disappearing in big spots, 4th qtrs and only our own KT has a bigger dropoff from the regular season to the playoffs than KVH. KVH has a career 17.5/7.4 average and a 11.7/6.4 playoff average. That says a lot in 40 playoff games.

In 33 playoff games TT's numbers are better in virtually every catagory except steals. FG%, 3 pt FG%, FT%, points, rebs, assists, blocks... and in virtually the same minutes. Granted the difference is small in most stats but the picture is clear: TT steps it up when it counts the most. TT attacks the basket late in games. TT is not afraid to take big shots or handle the ball in crunchtime.

To me this is huge when your building a team. KVH didnt want to take shots and was a foul or TO waiting to happen in crunch time. KVH is a more productive player over 82 games... easily, but to me TT will be much more valueable to us
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10/1/2004  3:22 PM
When KVH played for the knicks he was as agressive as I ever seen him. I really hated that guy with a passion prior to him coming here.

As soon as he went the bucks, he started off good, and totally dissapeared ( again) in the playoffs.
I never said that there games were the same, it's more there approach to the game that seems to mirror each other. One rebounds the ball well( KVH) the other is as athletic as they come.

TT steps it up in the playoffs, but theres no way in hell your going to sit there and tell me this guy doesn't take way to many possesions off. TT wouldn't even been here if it wasn't for Nazy, and KVH was really showing us a different KVH before he got traded.

I'm fine with either one on my roster.
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10/1/2004  4:30 PM
Really thats great...you mean after years of underachieving and stealing money, while getting paid to do something you love, he is finally dedicated....

Stop blowing smoke up our asses....If TT or any NBA player wants to improve it is so pathetically easy its sad...Gee so nice to see all these over paid babies work out a couple hours a day... These chumps should be working on their games and conditioning 5 hours a day easy, and considering they have personal trainers, nutritionist, people to feed them the ball, state of the art training facilities and messages anytime they want them, we should all be excited that TT is looking to make an impact....

MIP in the entire league, dumbest comment ever.... That’s like saying that Candler, Curry, and Brown are all going to have breakout years, two of the aforementioned have a better chance to win the award, as does Darius Miles, Chris Bosh, and Gerald Wallace.

Lets be serious, if he plays and dedicates himself there is no reason he shouldn’t be in the top 20-25 in the league, but as of now he isn’t even a top 40 player, he sad, pathetic and so very Tim Thomas of him…

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10/1/2004  4:44 PM
MS, good for you. That's TT in a nutshell. Anytime he wants to check out what an off-season is for, every single year, he can go check out what MJ, Magic and Bird did with theirs every year.
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10/1/2004  4:47 PM
Seriously, after 7 years in the league, with 3 different teams, he's finally decided to dedicate his offseason to getting better at his craft and he deserves props for that? Shouldn't he have been doing that every offseason isn't of waiting for him to get dumped on his ass before being on "a mission"?

No wonder this waste of space has been a career underachiever. Well at least now he might have some new boxing moves, although I'd rather they were boxing out moves to help his pathetic rebounding.
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10/1/2004  4:56 PM
Posted by islesfan:

Seriously, after 7 years in the league, with 3 different teams, he's finally decided to dedicate his offseason to getting better at his craft and he deserves props for that? Shouldn't he have been doing that every offseason isn't of waiting for him to get dumped on his ass before being on "a mission"?

No wonder this waste of space has been a career underachiever. Well at least now he might have some new boxing moves, although I'd rather they were boxing out moves to help his pathetic rebounding.
It's kickboxing, not boxing. (There's a huge difference.) Kickboxing turned around Kobe's career and is a fantastic workout for your lower and upper body
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10/1/2004  5:00 PM
I am sorry did you say turned around kobe's career, your career needs to digress in order to turn it around, improving your body and maturing usually happens when your 18, he was an all-star by 21. TT has never been an all-star nor considered....
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10/1/2004  5:02 PM
You guy's got it all wrong. The fact that he's been underachieving has never been because of his lack of commitment or off season work outs. The guy has just never been the the aggressor, and thats basically his mentality. He's always been fit, he's always been leathal from the perimeter, and has crazy hops, and is hardly ever injured. The fact that he took some boxing lesson, was probably due to the fact that the next time he may just knock some body the f.. out if they try that sht on him again.



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10/1/2004  5:12 PM
no.. the kickboxing was in response to Lenny specificlly telling him he wanted to use TT more in the post, and to concentrate this offseason on that area of his game.

TT is a good player, has been for years. Again, his biggest knock is he's overpaid, but he's a good player and has always been solid in crunchtime. Why should he be a 20/8 player? Because Milw paid him that?

All I care about is seeing TT be a part of a winning Knick team that goes out and wins the Atlantic. If we fall short I will start looking at TT, Marbury and everyone else in terms of how to improve. Calling the guy a waste of space is pretty lame. TT averaged 16/5 shooting 45% for us in 31 minutes, while playing a major role in a myriad of comebacks.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3170/gamelog

take a refresher... this guy has been a solid player for us. What gives?
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10/1/2004  7:46 PM
Posted by fishmike:


take a refresher... this guy has been a solid player for us. What gives?

I think what some of us are saying is that we watched him in a Knicks uniform last year and were struck with the amount of times in games when he hung around, was passive, uninvolved, literally took up space. It's especially glaring because he also has his times when he's absolutely dominant, demands the ball and shows off his full repertoire of talents. You didn't see the large lapses in his performance? You never thought to yourself , or muttered out loud, "Jesus, Thomas, what the f are you doing out there????"
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