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I could see the Knicks acquiring Westbrook and a couple of future FRPs from Houston for a BIG THREE of Randle, Portis, and DSJ.

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Lol, they've just taken my feared trade from another thread and somehow made it even worse!

Lets add CP3 for 2 firsts, Knox and Frank and you have a God Damn deal.

This has as much truthbehind it as Berman and Dolan going on a diet together.

HofstraBBall wrote:

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Lol, they've just taken my feared trade from another thread and somehow made it even worse!

Lets add CP3 for 2 firsts, Knox and Frank and you have a God Damn deal.

This has as much truthbehind it as Berman and Dolan going on a diet together.

Hell no. THREE UNPROTECTED FRPs, Knox, RJB, Dotson, Frankie, and Miller for bench coach.

TheGame wrote:If the Knicks trade RJ, I would be done. Plus, houston is not trading Russell this year. They got him to go for a championship. People are just making up trade rumors now.

Oh, I think Westbrook is on the market alright. But he's an albatross contract more than anything else to contending teams because he eats so much cap space for so little return.

For middling teams I think he's also too expensive. But for a team like the Knicks who are young and can absorb his contract for the temps we signed this summer, he could work. But Houston won't be trading for our best players nor will the Knicks be throwing in extras. Houston would have to cough up some unprotected draft picks given the contractual obligations the Knicks assume.

I doubt the Knicks do something like this but if they do it will be Randle, Portis, and DSJ for Westbrook and a handful of futures. Anything else is lunacy.

Westbrook would make Payton expendable so there's room for additional moves. Would he move the Knicks in a direction they want to go? Sure, why not? But there are probably better options.

Jmpasq wrote:

TheGame wrote:If the Knicks trade RJ, I would be done. Plus, houston is not trading Russell this year. They got him to go for a championship. People are just making up trade rumors now.

Can I ask why? I would do this trade in a second, Houston wouldn't. Why is Barrett untochable because we drafted him 3rd? Can we examine him as a player? All of his negatives on draft day have become even more glaring? The guy can not shoot at all. True shooting at .454 that is kick to the sack bad. He does give 100% effort and thats a plus but effort is not what we need from the 3rd pick, we need a star player. Im convinced already he is not that. What do we reallly expect form Barrett. His ceiling is an above average starter. If we can sell him to another team based on his "potiental" for a real star or low tier All-Star we should do it. Once next year starts and he still sucks he becomes worthless just like Frank, Knox, and Dennis Smith Jr.

Well. First of all you are arguing that Westbrook's value and immediacy far outweighs BarretT's "potential" and that is true. But you have to look at the contractual implications that Westbrook involves. Given how old he is, how much cap space he ties up, and his lack of impact in Houston, you won't trade RJ on that basis.

Its not that RJB is untouchable, its that the return, taken as a whole, doesn't merit the cost. Certainly Morris should not be sacrificed for Westbrook - Morris alone being more productive per se.

Jmpasq wrote:

TheGame wrote:If the Knicks trade RJ, I would be done. Plus, houston is not trading Russell this year. They got him to go for a championship. People are just making up trade rumors now.

Can I ask why? I would do this trade in a second, Houston wouldn't. Why is Barrett untochable because we drafted him 3rd? Can we examine him as a player? All of his negatives on draft day have become even more glaring? The guy can not shoot at all. True shooting at .454 that is kick to the sack bad. He does give 100% effort and thats a plus but effort is not what we need from the 3rd pick, we need a star player. Im convinced already he is not that. What do we reallly expect form Barrett. His ceiling is an above average starter. If we can sell him to another team based on his "potiental" for a real star or low tier All-Star we should do it. Once next year starts and he still sucks he becomes worthless just like Frank, Knox, and Dennis Smith Jr.

Things would have to be pretty bad in Houston to pull the cord on this experiment so quickly. Durant bailed on OKC because of Westbrook. If Houston wants to bail on Westbrook for Barrett, who is a rook, That would be a big red flag for me in Russ's prime. Let alone in his sunaet years with some athleticism left.

Who with Westbrook's baggage would want to come to NY to play with Westbrook? We trade Barrett for Westbrook, I might be done as well. It would be that Mills Hail Mary I was concerned about.

foosballnick wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

TheGame wrote:If the Knicks trade RJ, I would be done. Plus, houston is not trading Russell this year. They got him to go for a championship. People are just making up trade rumors now.

Can I ask why? I would do this trade in a second, Houston wouldn't. Why is Barrett untochable because we drafted him 3rd? Can we examine him as a player? All of his negatives on draft day have become even more glaring? The guy can not shoot at all. True shooting at .454 that is kick to the sack bad. He does give 100% effort and thats a plus but effort is not what we need from the 3rd pick, we need a star player. Im convinced already he is not that. What do we reallly expect form Barrett. His ceiling is an above average starter. If we can sell him to another team based on his "potiental" for a real star or low tier All-Star we should do it. Once next year starts and he still sucks he becomes worthless just like Frank, Knox, and Dennis Smith Jr.

Smart. A 30 year old with a 40 million dolar contract that escalates to $47 million in 3 years.

Jmpasq wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

TheGame wrote:If the Knicks trade RJ, I would be done. Plus, houston is not trading Russell this year. They got him to go for a championship. People are just making up trade rumors now.

Can I ask why? I would do this trade in a second, Houston wouldn't. Why is Barrett untochable because we drafted him 3rd? Can we examine him as a player? All of his negatives on draft day have become even more glaring? The guy can not shoot at all. True shooting at .454 that is kick to the sack bad. He does give 100% effort and thats a plus but effort is not what we need from the 3rd pick, we need a star player. Im convinced already he is not that. What do we reallly expect form Barrett. His ceiling is an above average starter. If we can sell him to another team based on his "potiental" for a real star or low tier All-Star we should do it. Once next year starts and he still sucks he becomes worthless just like Frank, Knox, and Dennis Smith Jr.

Smart. A 30 year old with a 40 million dolar contract that escalates to $47 million in 3 years.

Yeah not ideal but whats the alternative. Our front office can't draft or develop. We take Frank instead of Mitchell, we take Knox instead of Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, we don't trade Porzingis when the tme was right, instead of signing a useful guard that can shoot we sign 4 frontcourt players. I'm sorry but there is no way this organzation will draft the right players and develop them correctly. The only chance we have is to fall ass backwards into a superstar. So yeah if we could get Westbrook a guy who averaged a triple double for 3 straight seasons before this one I would do it.Its not a great plan but the alterantive is winning 25 games a year and drafting the wrong players over and over again.

Let's unpack this a bit.

Our front office actually drafts pretty well. Your criticism appears to be that it doesn't have the psychic power to draft only those players who a year or two into the future will be more productive than the players they do draft. Using that same logic you should ask yourself why you don't bet on only the teams that will always win, and so on. What's so hard about predicting the future of young basketball players whose IQ is largely below average?

Phil wanted to trade Darko when his value had peaked but ran into a buzz-saw of resistance from our fanbase of armchair Nostradamus-es. You can't blame Perry for that one.

And we actually did sign a useful [not one but three] guard[s] in Payton, Ellington, and Bullock. The jury is still out on this because Fizdale so F'd up their profiles in the first twenty games.

Of the four PFs, all are seeing meaningful minutes and rising fortunes.

Miller seems to be the coach the doctor ordered for player development.

And as a rebuilding team, there's virtue in recalibrating the roster when opportunity knocks. Acquiring superstar caliber players when they're made available is hardly falling ass backwards into winning ways. its a calculated cost benefit risk the FO has to weigh.

The rebuild is actually doing well [despite a W-L record to the contrary]. Its that time of season to ratchet up the quality of the roster yet again.