Through out the years we had many players come to the Knicks that played great ball for other teams and then fade in New York. Then we had guys like Patrick Ewuing, and John Starks, survive and be stars. Clyde Fraizer and that 1969 and 1973 team Bernard King , Oakley and others. Lebron new if he came to New York and won a title he would no doubt be the greatest player ever even over MJ. Leborn new he couldn't handle NY Knicks Kevin Durant new he could'nt and so did Kyrie Irving. Brooklyn will never be New York Knicks no matter who they get. Yes I know we suck but is there anyone out there who have a pair of balls to come to New York. The next time the Knicks win a championship it will go down in history as the greatest play-off ever and Durant and Lebron will be still running around getting stars to play with them to win another fake and brought championship.

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Through out the years we had many players come to the Knicks that played great ball for other teams and then fade in New York. Then we had guys like Patrick Ewuing, and John Starks, survive and be stars. Clyde Fraizer and that 1969 and 1973 team Bernard King , Oakley and others. Lebron new if he came to New York and won a title he would no doubt be the greatest player ever even over MJ. Leborn new he couldn't handle NY Knicks Kevin Durant new he could'nt and so did Kyrie Irving. Brooklyn will never be New York Knicks no matter who they get. Yes I know we suck but is there anyone out there who have a pair of balls to come to New York. The next time the Knicks win a championship it will go down in history as the greatest play-off ever and Durant and Lebron will be still running around getting stars to play with them to win another fake and brought championship.

Durant and Lebron will be long retired before we win any chip.

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Nalod wrote:

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Through out the years we had many players come to the Knicks that played great ball for other teams and then fade in New York. Then we had guys like Patrick Ewuing, and John Starks, survive and be stars. Clyde Fraizer and that 1969 and 1973 team Bernard King , Oakley and others. Lebron new if he came to New York and won a title he would no doubt be the greatest player ever even over MJ. Leborn new he couldn't handle NY Knicks Kevin Durant new he could'nt and so did Kyrie Irving. Brooklyn will never be New York Knicks no matter who they get. Yes I know we suck but is there anyone out there who have a pair of balls to come to New York. The next time the Knicks win a championship it will go down in history as the greatest play-off ever and Durant and Lebron will be still running around getting stars to play with them to win another fake and brought championship.

Durant and Lebron will be long retired before we win any chip.

Papabear Says

I reached my 70s how old will I be before you think we will win one and what about yourself?

Papa, I hope you got good genetics and a spring in your step! Its not looking good. Im in my 50's and Im not hopeful anytime soon.
You may want to look into who succeeds Dolan if he should become incapacitated to perform his duties as Knicks NBA governor and general partner.
I thought KP was built for this city. Regrettable circumstance! Starks kind of wilted in the big moments. Not just game 6 vs. Rockets, there were numerous times him and mase got ill timed techs.
I think Melo was cool about it but JR as fun as he was did not handle it on the court. Melo did not have enough talent around him.

Only Willis has been a regular season MVP as a knick. That's it. Clyde was built for this. Bernard needed maturity. Remember he was a wild child as a net. It Think Durant wanted to be a knick but the time line was not right. Kyrie maybe? But I doubt it.
Dolan is not man enough to stand up and be accountable.

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It's Fans like this that don't want to hold the organization ACCOUNTABLE. They want to complain that players can't take the pressure or media, and that might be a small part of it.

BUT the BIG picture is the fact that this is not a well run franchise, and when they do have star players they treat them like ROLE players.

Everybody who comes here with a solid reputation, by the time they leave their reputation is damn near in the TANK, from player, to coach, to president.

You think Players don't take that into consideration. All we have to offer is the MONEY and the LIGHTS,and those are the players that you should more concerned about..

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BigDaddyG wrote:

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It's Fans like this that don't want to hold the organization ACCOUNTABLE. They want to complain that players can't take the pressure or media, and that might be a small part of it.

BUT the BIG picture is the fact that this is not a well run franchise, and when they do have star players they treat them like ROLE players.

Everybody who comes here with a solid reputation, by the time they leave their reputation is damn near in the TANK, from player, to coach, to president.

You think Players don't take that into consideration. All we have to offer is the MONEY and the LIGHTS,and those are the players that you should more concerned about..

That fan is an NBA player.

"everyone that comes here"? There are a lot of circumstances. Dyess had an injury reputation, Amare bad knees/back, Spree tried to kill PJ, Melo came with all kinds of Moby-like accolades to idolize and some not so great aspects. Do we talk about Marbury? KVH actually left with a better rep.

Besides the obvious that speaks for itself wins vs. Losses, what is the real issue? Not abstract please! I think players do want to come here but they are afraid not of the media, but of the constant instability?

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BigDaddyG wrote:

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It's Fans like this that don't want to hold the organization ACCOUNTABLE. They want to complain that players can't take the pressure or media, and that might be a small part of it.

BUT the BIG picture is the fact that this is not a well run franchise, and when they do have star players they treat them like ROLE players.

Everybody who comes here with a solid reputation, by the time they leave their reputation is damn near in the TANK, from player, to coach, to president.

You think Players don't take that into consideration. All we have to offer is the MONEY and the LIGHTS,and those are the players that you should more concerned about..

how does one hold an organization accountable? What exactly is 1248 doing and how does it have an affect? Does Dolan listen to you? Or for that matter, does anyone listen to you?

Here is where the panic sets in. REVENUE. Team value rises based on inflaton and NBA popularity. Knicks cable is a monster. The gate is good because tourists will go to games still. its the best place to see a game. But, losing is not good for revenue. Dolan's "Starpuchs" are panic responses. The brand is dying. Phil did raise interest even if it was not a technically a good move. Sucked me in. The triangle cultural revolution was fascinating. when garden was "Dying" he brings in Isiah and Marbury. Then undoes that mess to open up for Lebron. when that fails he brings in Amare and trades for Melo. Its broadway. Its drama. Its good for business.
Players can get the money from other teams and branding comes from success. This notion that players don't have the stones for it is BS. That Durant is not "Man enough"? That's not tangible. Its that Durant came from a well run organization and wants to go to another. The knicks reputation is one of Panic.

Fans like the Rainman fuel that. Fret not, your a product of the environment. To break the cycle of starphuching is not easy. I think we are stuck in a very bad place now and the cure might be the most unsexy boring process sure to unmotivated the NY fan. There is no basis to argue about past failures and sell that as a future.

How to really demonstrate stability? Firing Mills because he traded KP because we fired Phil for wanting to trade him is insanely unstable. Hiring fiz to bring in FA then firing him for not, all the while asking him to develop yoot which he might not have been all that good at is and was a bad idea. How do you stop doing bad things?

Its starts at the top. Have a plan and stick to it. Its not easy. I used to have an old Porsche 911. Engine is behind the rear wheels. awful design brilliantly executed. If you take a corner too fast and either break or let up on the gas the back will come undone. You actually have to stay with it or add more power and understand what happens next. Bascially not panic. If you don't understand this don't drive that car, drive another. If you drive it have a plan on what to do when things are not going well. Not Me, not the Rainman, but ownership. Dolan tries, but he does not have the fortitude or experience to have built something he did not inherit. That does not mean it can't get done. It can. Just Be COOL!!!
Be Cool when fans call you out. Riley had some awful seasons in Miami. They do the same thing all the time. They develop players, don't fire coaches, play a brand of ball and some years are really bad. Often they sign or over pay players. Riley knows this. Him and the owner get it. some years will suck, lose money, but there is a plan. Sometimes the plan does not work. Or work "Yet". Be cool, in time it does.

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martin wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

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It's Fans like this that don't want to hold the organization ACCOUNTABLE. They want to complain that players can't take the pressure or media, and that might be a small part of it.

BUT the BIG picture is the fact that this is not a well run franchise, and when they do have star players they treat them like ROLE players.

Everybody who comes here with a solid reputation, by the time they leave their reputation is damn near in the TANK, from player, to coach, to president.

You think Players don't take that into consideration. All we have to offer is the MONEY and the LIGHTS,and those are the players that you should more concerned about..

how does one hold an organization accountable? What exactly is 1248 doing and how does it have an affect? Does Dolan listen to you? Or for that matter, does anyone listen to you?

Why don't the Yankees have Issues with signing anyone they want, in the same Market The Knicks are in. Its because they are a well run organization

We are in a new era, and New generation of Kids (where players call the shots and play with who they want) and the ppl running in the KNICKS have a OLD school approach (build through the draft) and the owner hires his friends, as oppose to the most qualified.

So when KD says the Knicks are not cool, most old school fans are going to point to the franchise history 20 yrs ago and think this guy has lost his mind, We're NY, we are always cool.

80% of the players in the NBA were in Diapers when the knicks were good, some were not even born. They look at this as a consistently poorly run ORGANIZATION.

So when you say guys don't have the GUTS, don't act like it's all because of pressure and media, please take into consideration how the franchise has been appearing to them since they learned how to read and write.

I don't think anyone would take a JOB at a poorly run company that has a revolving door(high turnover)

First of Knicks never build throught the draft
They still dont untill they will noy trade picks for washed out stars fot 4-5 years.
So keep making stuff up...

Front office thought having a rah rah buddy as a coach could lure star players. It’s actually disrespectful to those players.

martin wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

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It's Fans like this that don't want to hold the organization ACCOUNTABLE. They want to complain that players can't take the pressure or media, and that might be a small part of it.

BUT the BIG picture is the fact that this is not a well run franchise, and when they do have star players they treat them like ROLE players.

Everybody who comes here with a solid reputation, by the time they leave their reputation is damn near in the TANK, from player, to coach, to president.

You think Players don't take that into consideration. All we have to offer is the MONEY and the LIGHTS,and those are the players that you should more concerned about..

how does one hold an organization accountable? What exactly is 1248 doing and how does it have an affect? Does Dolan listen to you? Or for that matter, does anyone listen to you?

Why don't the other 20 or so teams who never win anything hold their organizations "accountable".

The NBA is not organized baseball so comparing the running of the organization is an apples/oranges thing.

Like Martin, I find the organizational criticism to be magical thinking.

On one hand Dolan is criticized for an organization that's unstable and on the other, long-time FO types like Mills, Houston, Gabriel, and others are called out to be fired. And I don't recall the MSM or rainman advocating that Isaiah, Brown, Phil, and others be retained for the sake of continuity.

The fact is that Dolan has maintained a stable continuity of FO administrators who, when hired, were some of the most desirable executives in basketball.

Of course Dolan, like Trump, is blamed no matter what he does, doesn't, might, and won't do. He's guilty as charged by *EVERYBODY*. He can't buy wins, love, or loyalty.

And, like Steinbrenner before him, Dolan is villified with a desire by certain fans that he be forced to sell an organization that in the minds of these fans should never lose, always have the sun shining on them, and always provide a positive buzz. Lacking that, the owner must be dysfunctional for having a life that doesn't center around the one asset fans care about - the Knicks.

When fans complain about mismangement the most striking example is how well compensated the players all are. Dolan rarely if ever has instructed to tell the FO to carefully budget player salaries. The NBA players who don't sign here weaponize that weakness during free agency by playing their options against the Knicks willingness to pay. Of course there is no intention to sign here and even when they do sign, its not taken as an obligation to consistently produce. The character of the NBA players association is never criticized. Its the coaches, the FO, and - it goes without saying - Dolan who are scapegoated.

The MSM love to ridicule the Knicks as if the Knicks were the biggest threat upsetting the dominance of the small market teams ability to monopolize the playoffs. *Those owners* hold periodic pitty parties about their inability to sign and keep the LeBrons, Antedekoumpos, Wades, and other superstars who have never played for the Knicks. Heaven forbid the Knicks should sign one - it would end all competitiveness in NBA basketball.

Is that dead horse the Knicks? Let's kick it again and again and again.

martin wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

martin wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

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It's Fans like this that don't want to hold the organization ACCOUNTABLE. They want to complain that players can't take the pressure or media, and that might be a small part of it.

BUT the BIG picture is the fact that this is not a well run franchise, and when they do have star players they treat them like ROLE players.

Everybody who comes here with a solid reputation, by the time they leave their reputation is damn near in the TANK, from player, to coach, to president.

You think Players don't take that into consideration. All we have to offer is the MONEY and the LIGHTS,and those are the players that you should more concerned about..

how does one hold an organization accountable? What exactly is 1248 doing and how does it have an affect? Does Dolan listen to you? Or for that matter, does anyone listen to you?

Why don't the Yankees have Issues with signing anyone they want, in the same Market The Knicks are in. Its because they are a well run organization

We are in a new era, and New generation of Kids (where players call the shots and play with who they want) and the ppl running in the KNICKS have a OLD school approach (build through the draft) and the owner hires his friends, as oppose to the most qualified.

So when KD says the Knicks are not cool, most old school fans are going to point to the franchise history 20 yrs ago and think this guy has lost his mind, We're NY, we are always cool.

80% of the players in the NBA were in Diapers when the knicks were good, some were not even born. They look at this as a consistently poorly run ORGANIZATION.

So when you say guys don't have the GUTS, don't act like it's all because of pressure and media, please take into consideration how the franchise has been appearing to them since they learned how to read and write.

I don't think anyone would take a JOB at a poorly run company that has a revolving door(high turnover)

I don’t know what you are blathering about. Feel free to respond to what I asked

Your question makes no sense