GustavBahler wrote:

martin wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:If it is true that Rose isnt big on details, keeping Perry and Miller where they are would be in his best interest. They're both detail oriented.

Yeah I wouldn’t take one out of context quote from an anonymous source from an article looking for clickbait type reaction and run with it.

High level, wildly successful people know a ****-ton about details.

If I "ran with it" I would have stated it as a fact, not raised as a hypothetical. Plenty of talented and successful people have blown fortunes because they werent big on details. Rose might be a big picture kind of exec, which is a good reason to keep people around him that do sweat the details. All I said.

Did the person who blows a fortune because they did not tend to details the same person who built it?

Nalod wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

martin wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:If it is true that Rose isnt big on details, keeping Perry and Miller where they are would be in his best interest. They're both detail oriented.

Yeah I wouldn’t take one out of context quote from an anonymous source from an article looking for clickbait type reaction and run with it.

High level, wildly successful people know a ****-ton about details.

If I "ran with it" I would have stated it as a fact, not raised as a hypothetical. Plenty of talented and successful people have blown fortunes because they werent big on details. Rose might be a big picture kind of exec, which is a good reason to keep people around him that do sweat the details. All I said.

Did the person who blows a fortune because they did not tend to details the same person who built it?

They may have had a very specific skill which earned them their fortune. Organizational skills might not be one of them. Some folks are great at selling a vision, not as good with the follow through. Why I mentioned detail oriented people like Perry and Miller.

BigDaddyG wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Nalod wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

martin wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:If it is true that Rose isnt big on details, keeping Perry and Miller where they are would be in his best interest. They're both detail oriented.

Yeah I wouldn’t take one out of context quote from an anonymous source from an article looking for clickbait type reaction and run with it.

High level, wildly successful people know a ****-ton about details.

If I "ran with it" I would have stated it as a fact, not raised as a hypothetical. Plenty of talented and successful people have blown fortunes because they werent big on details. Rose might be a big picture kind of exec, which is a good reason to keep people around him that do sweat the details. All I said.

Did the person who blows a fortune because they did not tend to details the same person who built it?

They may have had a very specific skill which earned them their fortune. Organizational skills might not be one of them. Some folks are great at selling a vision, not as good with the follow through. Why I mentioned detail oriented people like Perry and Miller.

Yep. Rose might have a vision, but he needs architects around him to make sure those plans are doable and within reason. He's a successful agent and probably knows basketball. He might know more about basketball than Morey. Knowing the ins and outs of the cap and using to your advantage is a different skill. Just look at Michael Ovitz and Disney. I'm pretty sure Rose knows his limitations and I hope he hires people who can fill in those gaps. I'm not thrilled with this hire, but it's done. Now I hope this guy has the vision to see us through to a title and can use his pull to bring in high IQ people to the FO.

BigDaddyG wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Nalod wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

martin wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:If it is true that Rose isnt big on details, keeping Perry and Miller where they are would be in his best interest. They're both detail oriented.

Yeah I wouldn’t take one out of context quote from an anonymous source from an article looking for clickbait type reaction and run with it.

High level, wildly successful people know a ****-ton about details.

If I "ran with it" I would have stated it as a fact, not raised as a hypothetical. Plenty of talented and successful people have blown fortunes because they werent big on details. Rose might be a big picture kind of exec, which is a good reason to keep people around him that do sweat the details. All I said.

Did the person who blows a fortune because they did not tend to details the same person who built it?

They may have had a very specific skill which earned them their fortune. Organizational skills might not be one of them. Some folks are great at selling a vision, not as good with the follow through. Why I mentioned detail oriented people like Perry and Miller.

Yep. Rose might have a vision, but he needs architects around him to make sure those plans are doable and within reason. He's a successful agent and probably knows basketball. He might know more about basketball than Morey. Knowing the ins and outs of the cap and using to your advantage is a different skill. Just look at Michael Ovitz and Disney. I'm pretty sure Rose knows his limitations and I hope he hires people who can fill in those gaps. I'm not thrilled with this hire, but it's done. Now I hope this guy has the vision to see us through to a title and can use his pull to bring in high IQ people to the FO.

I am curious to see if he can bring in all his own people. There are hangers on that have been at msg for a very long time. I want him to keep Miller. I am on the fence about Perry but otherwise I would hope he cleans house. Nets did that with Marks. If the Knicks are copying the Nets with Stoute's firm it would be wise to copy what the Nets did that was actually right. Grey courts, jersey give aways etc. are fine but the Nets actually changed their entire front office including moving on from guys that had been successful there.

What would you think if Rose brought in Bobby Marks? It seems unlikely, but that's the kind of people we need.

knicks1248 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Nalod wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

martin wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:If it is true that Rose isnt big on details, keeping Perry and Miller where they are would be in his best interest. They're both detail oriented.

Yeah I wouldn’t take one out of context quote from an anonymous source from an article looking for clickbait type reaction and run with it.

High level, wildly successful people know a ****-ton about details.

If I "ran with it" I would have stated it as a fact, not raised as a hypothetical. Plenty of talented and successful people have blown fortunes because they werent big on details. Rose might be a big picture kind of exec, which is a good reason to keep people around him that do sweat the details. All I said.

Did the person who blows a fortune because they did not tend to details the same person who built it?

They may have had a very specific skill which earned them their fortune. Organizational skills might not be one of them. Some folks are great at selling a vision, not as good with the follow through. Why I mentioned detail oriented people like Perry and Miller.

Yep. Rose might have a vision, but he needs architects around him to make sure those plans are doable and within reason. He's a successful agent and probably knows basketball. He might know more about basketball than Morey. Knowing the ins and outs of the cap and using to your advantage is a different skill. Just look at Michael Ovitz and Disney. I'm pretty sure Rose knows his limitations and I hope he hires people who can fill in those gaps. I'm not thrilled with this hire, but it's done. Now I hope this guy has the vision to see us through to a title and can use his pull to bring in high IQ people to the FO.

I am curious to see if he can bring in all his own people. There are hangers on that have been at msg for a very long time. I want him to keep Miller. I am on the fence about Perry but otherwise I would hope he cleans house. Nets did that with Marks. If the Knicks are copying the Nets with Stoute's firm it would be wise to copy what the Nets did that was actually right. Grey courts, jersey give aways etc. are fine but the Nets actually changed their entire front office including moving on from guys that had been successful there.

Unfortunately I think Perry has to go in order to fully have a clean slate. No more hanging on to a people because of ownership's loyalty, that's been killing this franchise for a long time.

Thinking like that will get you nowhere. Perry is not a Knicks lifer and ingrained into anything.

Gotta assume Rose is a good talent evaluator and he will do his thing. If he thinks Perry will help, he stays, otherwise thank you for your service.

his biggest strength is drafting in the second round, which while valuable is not what makes someone a GM (it makes them a good scout)

What do people think about Ryan West?

Chandler wrote:
Staying off topic from Miller ... i think Perry's downfall will be that he has been all over the place in terms of building (maybe guild by association with Mills). But when he came in the notion was 2-way, smart players. God's honest truth i don't know if we have one player who fits that mold. Who am i missing -- maybe RJ fits it but after that??

his biggest strength is drafting in the second round, which while valuable is not what makes someone a GM (it makes them a good scout)

What do people think about Ryan West?

BigDaddyG wrote:

Chandler wrote:
Staying off topic from Miller ... i think Perry's downfall will be that he has been all over the place in terms of building (maybe guild by association with Mills). But when he came in the notion was 2-way, smart players. God's honest truth i don't know if we have one player who fits that mold. Who am i missing -- maybe RJ fits it but after that??

his biggest strength is drafting in the second round, which while valuable is not what makes someone a GM (it makes them a good scout)

What do people think about Ryan West?

Don't know enough about him. I will say, and this is one of the things Mills got right by bringing in Perry and screwed Phil when he got stuck with Mills, is Rose should bring in someone with experience in the early going. Rose is a newb and it's probably not a good idea for him to bring in someone who also needs on the job training.

it goes both ways. When you get a guy with experience you always have to ask yourself why is this guy even available. Not just for GMs but in real life jobs too. Not saying West is the guy, but the fact that he's been doing this for 10 years and not a celebrity is the kind of guy i want. He is credited with late first round picks for Lakers, and moving to Clips is probably a plus. Yes he's Jerry's son -- which i view more as a positive than a negative but no guarantees

Primarily i want a guy who knows his ****. If he has experience that's a positive and a negative. If he's a newb that's a negative and a positive.

Chandler wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:Fiz confirms what a lot of us suspected. I'm not the biggest fan as Fix as coach, but he is a likeable guy and I hope he lands another gig one day.
https://www.sny.tv/knicks/news/david-fizdale-says-he-needed-to-be-tougher-on-young-knicks-roster/312709096

"I probably needed to crack the whip a little more and be more demanding of the young guys to do more winning things and not be as patient with them from that standpoint," Fizdale said. "So it was a balance of just trying to find the right lane with each team."

I think his problem was he was just dumb. Too much talk. He still can’t stop

Does he even believe what he’s saying or does he just think it sounds good

He is reaching for straws at this point. Yes David , you needed to crack that whip. You motivational speaker you. It wasn't your rotations, out of bounds and after the time out plays. It wasn't the XnO's. Nope , if only u had cracked that whip more it would have been all good right there

franco12 wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

Chandler wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:Fiz confirms what a lot of us suspected. I'm not the biggest fan as Fix as coach, but he is a likeable guy and I hope he lands another gig one day.
https://www.sny.tv/knicks/news/david-fizdale-says-he-needed-to-be-tougher-on-young-knicks-roster/312709096

"I probably needed to crack the whip a little more and be more demanding of the young guys to do more winning things and not be as patient with them from that standpoint," Fizdale said. "So it was a balance of just trying to find the right lane with each team."

I think his problem was he was just dumb. Too much talk. He still can’t stop

Does he even believe what he’s saying or does he just think it sounds good

He is reaching for straws at this point. Yes David , you needed to crack that whip. You motivational speaker you. It wasn't your rotations, out of bounds and after the time out plays. It wasn't the XnO's. Nope , if only u had cracked that whip more it would have been all good right there

Exactly! I saw the headlines and thought the exact same thing.

He's been so exposed he just needs to shut up already.

If that is the lesson he takes, then he will fail if he ever gets another head coaching job. And does anyone really expect he will? I can't see it. Not at the pro level.

He's a good coach to have on your staff

martin wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Nalod wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

martin wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:If it is true that Rose isnt big on details, keeping Perry and Miller where they are would be in his best interest. They're both detail oriented.

Yeah I wouldn’t take one out of context quote from an anonymous source from an article looking for clickbait type reaction and run with it.

High level, wildly successful people know a ****-ton about details.

If I "ran with it" I would have stated it as a fact, not raised as a hypothetical. Plenty of talented and successful people have blown fortunes because they werent big on details. Rose might be a big picture kind of exec, which is a good reason to keep people around him that do sweat the details. All I said.

Did the person who blows a fortune because they did not tend to details the same person who built it?

They may have had a very specific skill which earned them their fortune. Organizational skills might not be one of them. Some folks are great at selling a vision, not as good with the follow through. Why I mentioned detail oriented people like Perry and Miller.

Yep. Rose might have a vision, but he needs architects around him to make sure those plans are doable and within reason. He's a successful agent and probably knows basketball. He might know more about basketball than Morey. Knowing the ins and outs of the cap and using to your advantage is a different skill. Just look at Michael Ovitz and Disney. I'm pretty sure Rose knows his limitations and I hope he hires people who can fill in those gaps. I'm not thrilled with this hire, but it's done. Now I hope this guy has the vision to see us through to a title and can use his pull to bring in high IQ people to the FO.

I am curious to see if he can bring in all his own people. There are hangers on that have been at msg for a very long time. I want him to keep Miller. I am on the fence about Perry but otherwise I would hope he cleans house. Nets did that with Marks. If the Knicks are copying the Nets with Stoute's firm it would be wise to copy what the Nets did that was actually right. Grey courts, jersey give aways etc. are fine but the Nets actually changed their entire front office including moving on from guys that had been successful there.

Unfortunately I think Perry has to go in order to fully have a clean slate. No more hanging on to a people because of ownership's loyalty, that's been killing this franchise for a long time.

Thinking like that will get you nowhere. Perry is not a Knicks lifer and ingrained into anything.

Gotta assume Rose is a good talent evaluator and he will do his thing. If he thinks Perry will help, he stays, otherwise thank you for your service.

On October 7, 2015, the Westchester Knicks hired him to be their head coach.While with the Knicks, Miller won the NBA G League Coach of the Year for the 2017–18 season. After four seasons in Westchester, Miller was promoted to the New York Knicks as an assistant coach.

So its entirely possible this guy has a great work ethic and coaching chops and certainly hasnt been a part of past regimes. Now I understand the next FO gets to build their own staff in their own vision but casting off valuable people and players is emotional and stupid.