I can't see the FO trading Randle this soon, but if they did there would be suitors.
OKC might want to move Gallinari (ending contract) for a young player under contract like Rand el.

Sambakick wrote:I'd keep Taj Gibson also. Bullock is a wait and see.
Randle, Portis, and Ellington seem redundant.
But only Randle is signed past this season.

I can't see the FO trading Randle this soon, but if they did there would be suitors.
OKC might want to move Gallinari (ending contract) for a young player under contract like Rand el.

I wonder if we could package Randle and DSJ to Minn for Covington and a filler like Dieng? Covington fits as a starting 3 & D forward alongside Morris better than Randle. Balances things out a bit. He's a good ball player.

And i agree about Gibson and Bullock. I like Gibson as a backup-mentor to Mitch. Bullock is obviously wait and see but can't have enough good shooting wings. Portis and Ellington should be released after the trade deadline if we can't get a 2nd round pick for either of them.

HofstraBBall wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Sambakick wrote:I'd keep Taj Gibson also. Bullock is a wait and see.
Randle, Portis, and Ellington seem redundant.
But only Randle is signed past this season.

I can't see the FO trading Randle this soon, but if they did there would be suitors.
OKC might want to move Gallinari (ending contract) for a young player under contract like Rand el.

I wonder if we could package Randle and DSJ to Minn for Covington and a filler like Dieng? Covington fits as a starting 3 & D forward alongside Morris better than Randle. Balances things out a bit. He's a good ball player.

And i agree about Gibson and Bullock. I like Gibson as a backup-mentor to Mitch. Bullock is obviously wait and see but can't have enough good shooting wings. Portis and Ellington should be released after the trade deadline if we can't get a 2nd round pick for either of them.

What is so special about Covington? And why would you throw in Randle, who seems to be a strong offensive threat and younger along with a 21 years old DSJR who, in spite of a bad start to the season, put up pretty good numbers in first two years. Only in NY do we give up players for hopes of players we don't know much about. Would be open to trading Randle and DSJR but for some better returns.

Covington has been a top defensive player for the last few years and solid 3pt shooter. DSJ really hasn't put up good numbers ever. He scored but with bad efficiency and no defense. I think it's time to focus more on building a team as opposed to just who has more talent. We need to improve our shooting and figure out how to build a team around Barrett and Mitch who are clearly our most important players going forward. Ultimately we need to chose between Morris and Randle as they are both PFs and i chose Morris because he's a better 3pt shooter, defender, and leader. IF we can get more for Randle fine, but my aim would be packaging a couple of these guys together for a solid starter that fits better with our core players. We badly need shooters in the lineup. Morris is our only shooter.

HofstraBBall wrote:

Knixkik wrote:These 2 are quality players that fit what we are trying to do here. Morris with his leadership, toughess, and shooting, and Payton with his playmaking and defense. Payton is the best playmaking guard we have had in a long-time. He may still be a stopgap, but he would be excellent to pair with a rookie PG. Smith and Frank are playing well, but both are backup PGs and simply don't have Payton's overall impact. Mike Miller has been great, but the success coinciding with Payton being healthy is no coincidence. Randle will put up numbers, but it's clear that Morris and Payton have a true impact on winning. Honestly if the Knicks just signed these 2 guys over the summer and let the young guys roll, we would still be a bad team (especially considering Payton has been hurt) but it would have made enough sense to say we can understand what Perry/Mills were trying to do; add a couple of quality impact starters to a team of young players to help accelerate their growth. That was the plan all along. Payton and Morris accomplish that. The rest make no sense.

Agreed. Both are good guys to keep around. Payton should be a good value and feel Morris if kept around 15M a year is a good value as well. Think Morris will be solid for the next three or four years. Feel Payton is the one that is more of a back up though. But solid in running an offense. Was hoping Smith could be a break out player. Has shown signs but feel he does not have the confidence or outside shot to take the next step here in NY. Frank has been solid but still playing like just a solid role player.

I think there's a high chance we will draft a PG this year. I agree that Payton may be more of a high level backup. We can start him next year until the rookie PG is ready, since he's under a team controlled contract for next season. After that, we can resign him or not.

knicks1248 wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:Depends on what they ask for. Morris is probably looking for one last good contract especially if he keeps playing like this. I am a little nervous about giving it to him at this stage in his career.

Why

The next Big FA market is 20/21, we need to show some some stability, if we keep players like randle and morris for the next 2 seasons and continue to have productive seasons, with a new F/O, you become a more attractive destination.

HofstraBBall wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Knixkik wrote:These 2 are quality players that fit what we are trying to do here. Morris with his leadership, toughess, and shooting, and Payton with his playmaking and defense. Payton is the best playmaking guard we have had in a long-time. He may still be a stopgap, but he would be excellent to pair with a rookie PG. Smith and Frank are playing well, but both are backup PGs and simply don't have Payton's overall impact. Mike Miller has been great, but the success coinciding with Payton being healthy is no coincidence. Randle will put up numbers, but it's clear that Morris and Payton have a true impact on winning. Honestly if the Knicks just signed these 2 guys over the summer and let the young guys roll, we would still be a bad team (especially considering Payton has been hurt) but it would have made enough sense to say we can understand what Perry/Mills were trying to do; add a couple of quality impact starters to a team of young players to help accelerate their growth. That was the plan all along. Payton and Morris accomplish that. The rest make no sense.

Agreed. Both are good guys to keep around. Payton should be a good value and feel Morris if kept around 15M a year is a good value as well. Think Morris will be solid for the next three or four years. Feel Payton is the one that is more of a back up though. But solid in running an offense. Was hoping Smith could be a break out player. Has shown signs but feel he does not have the confidence or outside shot to take the next step here in NY. Frank has been solid but still playing like just a solid role player.

I think there's a high chance we will draft a PG this year. I agree that Payton may be more of a high level backup. We can start him next year until the rookie PG is ready, since he's under a team controlled contract for next season. After that, we can resign him or not.

Agreed. Much better plan than others have suggested. Mainly, the ones that would take on some 30 plus vets ridiculous salary or one to take a chance on one of the many overpriced and over hyped well known names. (ie Rubio)

Another thing is over the years this board has consistently complained about the lack of 2-way players we acquire. Payton and Morris are legitimate 2-way players. Them in addition to Barrett and Mitch gives us 4 of them, very rare for the Knicks.

Morris performance is a ASSET u keep for 4 years to build chemistry in lineups having RJ, Knox, and MitchRob.
Payton performance are becoming an ASSET if he could keep on putting the young-core players & Vets in the offense throughout midseason.
Gibson experience are a KEEPER !!!