Knixkik wrote:JrZyHuStLa wrote:knicks1248 wrote:JrZyHuStLa wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Knixkik wrote:Just keep him. He’s been our best shooter, best scorer, one of our best defenders, and emotional leader. All while playing out of position. Move Randle and play him at the 4 and we become a much better team.
They don't even realize we have been doing that stupid sht for 6 ys, and it's amount to 6, 50+ loss seasons, and haven't drafted a game changer yet
Trade away the best players, and start all over next season, and round and round we go, that's the mills way.
How about keep your best players and add better complimentary players
No, because he's a complimentary player.
So the you think the best way to get better is to trade away your best players for trash, then take the 2% odds of landing a star in the draft, be bad again, add some more role player FA, trade them by dec 15,
and repeat the process.So after 6 yrs of doing that, you think were on to something? lmao
Show me where you derived at 2% on landing a star in the draft. With a top 5 pick, that % is way higher.
I have no interest in having a role player as our best player.
With a 6-21 record with Morris as your best player, you think we're on to something?
The goal isn't to have him as our best player. He's a good starter though. We need good starters. The point was, why trade him for a late first round draft pick that has a very low chance of yielding a quality starter like Morris? Right now you have 1 very good starter and 2 players (Mitch and RJ) with the chance to become very good starters in the next year or 2. How about building ontop of that?
This is precisely correct.
I rarely find the rainman's arguments compelling but he's correct and this dovetails into another thread "Why trade Morris to a contender". Its a bit of self-flagellation to trade Morris to a team that will improve enough to diminish the value of the pick you are trading for.
Picks in the late twenties are only slightly more likely to succeed in the NBA than a second-rounder. And, yes, those chances are slim and none.
Martin makes a good point. We don't want to have him walk away either.
So the context is that the FO must resign Morris if they plan on keeping him (and it helps if he's open to a trade). And when we speak about signing him - front load that contract so that, if it ever comes to it, he becomes easier to move later with a handshake agreement that if he's traded, he can discreetly pick a handful of teams.
But let's assume there's a compelling trade out there. What should it look like.
First, the Knicks should make it clear that DSJ (and/or another under-performing player) is bundled with Morris.
Second, yes we'll take a late FRP but DSJ takes the bite out of it being an empty talent.
Third, the player coming back can't be a basket case. It has to be a potential rotation player who isn't just a thinly disguised medical exception waiting to happen.
And fourth, a young player with some upside needs to be part of the return preferably a former first round lottery pick.
So, the return should be no less than a player who may not be as productive as Morris and 2 chances at a useful first round lottery pick - a future pick and a former pick (or compelling candidate) who isn't an obvious bust.
I think that's a reasonable baseline.
