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raven
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10/1/2004  7:44 AM
Up in the air, that's McDyess

New Pistons forward gets a jump-start on the rest of his career

By Chris McCosky / The Detroit News
http://www.detnews.com/2004/pistons/0410/01/h01-290296.htm

AUBURN HILLS — The ball caromed high off the back of the rim. As several players jockeyed for position, one soared over them all, caught the ball at nearly its apex and slammed it through the net.

“Dang, Dice,” Rasheed Wallace shouted. “I guess that knee is feeling better.”

Antonio McDyess, 30, a onetime all-star power forward whom the Pistons signed to a four-year, $23 million contract last summer, just nodded and smiled.

The three-time surgically repaired left knee that has limited McDyess for the better part of the last three seasons looked as good as new during an informal scrimmage Thursday. According to McDyess, it has looked and felt good since last spring.

“It’s been a long road,” he said. “I am finally able to just go out and play. No pressure. The leg feels great. I don’t even think about it.”

McDyess, who no longer wears a protective brace, said he worked out hard all summer and never had to take any anti-inflammatory medication.

“I am good to go,” he said.

It’s been a long time since he’s been able to say that and mean it. Not since 2001, when he had to have his first surgery to repair a torn tendon.

He was traded from Denver to New York in 2002 and, in the third exhibition game, suffered a fractured kneecap. That took two surgeries to fix and cost him all of 2002-03 and half of last season.

“When you get injured,” he said, “people tend to write you off.”

That’s more or less what Knicks President Isiah Thomas did to him. McDyess was brought in at a high cost by Thomas’ predecessor, Scott Layden. The Knicks gave up Nene Hilario, Marcus Camby and Mark Jackson for him, and he was anointed as the savior by the New York media.

As such, he was under heavy pressure to get back on the court and produce. He came back too soon, making his Knicks debut against the Pistons last Dec. 1. It was not a pretty sight.

“I had no chance to get my body back in New York,” he said. “I rushed it and it took a toll on me.”

McDyess was unable to perform anywhere near the 16.7-point, 8.7-rebound career standards he had set for himself. And, as the Knicks faltered, McDyess felt as if he was made a scapegoat by Thomas.

“It was like they made everything out to be my fault,” he said at the time. “Once Isiah came, he wouldn’t even look me in the eye. Isiah never said a word to me. He slapped my hand, but that was it.”

Thomas, in one of his first moves, traded McDyess to Phoenix last January. There, McDyess was finally allowed time to heal. By the end of the season, his body and game were rounding back into shape.

Now all those clouds have been lifted. In a Pistons practice jersey Thursday, McDyess looked like a man who’s been relieved of a heavy burden. Smiles came easily. He appeared confident, content — in a sense, reborn.

“I am just so happy to be on this team,” he said. “I get an opportunity to play with (longtime friend) Chauncey Billups. We talked the whole summer. I get an opportunity to play for Coach (Larry Brown) again. I just feel like this is the right situation for me.”

There are no grand expectations for him here. He isn’t the savior. He doesn’t have to carry the team. The Pistons would be greatly pleased if, as the first big man off the bench, he can contribute a solid 25 minutes a night in relief of Ben and Rasheed Wallace.

“I don’t need to put any pressure on myself anymore,” McDyess said. “I have worked hard and I feel I am back. I don’t need no starting job. I don’t need to be the man. I just want to be a part of something.

“You know, they had great chemistry here last year and they rode it all the way to a championship. For me, to be able to come in here and play a role, I am happy and thrilled about that.”
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10/1/2004  7:52 AM
Wish him the best. Still sad we coudln't see him play side to side with spree and houston. Would have been a nice combo.
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10/1/2004  8:22 AM
Yeah I'm with you. The guy's a hard worker, I want to see him get to play well and be healthy. But man! What a pickup for Detroit if he stays healthy - another great move by my favorite genius GM Dumars. A healthy Dyess is worth a lot more than Okur - and cheaper! At the same time it's a real win for Isiah. Trading Dyess helped us snag Marbury and opened the door for Sweetney. Also he was truly pathetic last year and was unfortunately the poster boy for the sad state of this franchise. It was a relief when he was off the roster. So this could work out all around.
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10/1/2004  8:26 AM
Posted by Marv:

But man! What a pickup for Detroit if he stays healthy - another great move by my favorite genius GM Dumars. A healthy Dyess is worth a lot more than Okur - and cheaper!
I dont think its a great pick. I cannot see McDyess being effective anymore. He will be a nice body off the bench but thats all. He will not be able to score or rebound enough to make the pickup significant. He lost his knees and his explosiveness in 3 surgeries man.
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10/1/2004  8:36 AM
Posted by Silverfuel:

[quote]Posted by Marv:

But man! What a pickup for Detroit if he stays healthy - another great move by my favorite genius GM Dumars. A healthy Dyess is worth a lot more than Okur - and cheaper!
I dont think its a great pick. I cannot see McDyess being effective anymore. He will be a nice body off the bench but thats all. He will not be able to score or rebound enough to make the pickup significant. He lost his knees and his explosiveness in 3 surgeries man.

According to the article he didn't lose his knees and explosiveness. He's regained them. The question will be if he can retain them.
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10/1/2004  8:44 AM
Good for Dice. But he really is taking the wrong frame of mind to his game tho IMO. Why is he gonna risk re-injuring something by doing putback dunks in PRACTICE of all things. Just because you feel 100% doesn't mean that you are. I'm no doctor, but I'd say a surgically repaired knee (3 times), is never 100%.
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10/1/2004  8:47 AM
Posted by Marv:

According to the article he didn't lose his knees and explosiveness. He's regained them. The question will be if he can retain them.
They said that was fully recovered Grant Hill too. You can buy it.
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10/1/2004  8:51 AM
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by Marv:

According to the article he didn't lose his knees and explosiveness. He's regained them. The question will be if he can retain them.
They said that was fully recovered Grant Hill too. You can buy it.

I think there's a difference. I never saw an article claiming that Hill recovered his physical gifts. This article quotes Wallace as witnessing it with Dyess. We witnessed it in his preseason performances a couple of years ago. I'm not claiming that his knees will hold up. I'm just "buying" what this article says - that he's regained it now. And I stated that IF he's able to maintain it then it's a great pickup for Detroit.
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10/1/2004  9:10 AM
Posted by Marv:
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by Marv:

According to the article he didn't lose his knees and explosiveness. He's regained them. The question will be if he can retain them.
They said that was fully recovered Grant Hill too. You can buy it.

I think there's a difference. I never saw an article claiming that Hill recovered his physical gifts. This article quotes Wallace as witnessing it with Dyess. We witnessed it in his preseason performances a couple of years ago. I'm not claiming that his knees will hold up. I'm just "buying" what this article says - that he's regained it now. And I stated that IF he's able to maintain it then it's a great pickup for Detroit.
I dont think I will be able to find the articles now but 2 years ago, Grant Hill was supposed to make a full comeback. It was huge news, not just for regular basketball fans but also fantasy team owners. Multiple news articles cliamed Grant Hill had fully recovered and taken the reins of the Magic. Grant Hill actually played T-MAC in a 1-on-1 game to prove to him that he was completely recovered and had his entire game back.

3rd party doctors had informed the Knicks that McDyess would be in severe danger if he attempted to play again. Dice was advised at one point to retire because he will never be able to recover completely. I cannot remind you of every fact because I dont have time to find articles with links but they even said this about Dice. They said McDyess had fully recovered. Then he re-injuered his knees and they tried to tell us it was a different injury.

I hope no Knick fan feels bad that we let this guy go and he recovered. Dice will never have his explosiveness. He was traded by the Knicks and let go by Phoenix for a reason. Detroit will use him just as a sub off the bench.
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10/1/2004  9:17 AM
layden and chaney put too much pressure on him to be the savior of the franchise. isiah didn't want to build around a 30 year old with 3 knee surgeries so he traded him. i don't care if he looked him in the eye or spit in his face. it was a good move on isiah's part.

i hope dice is healthy b/c he can play (or at least used to be able to) but he's nothing more than a bench player now.
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10/1/2004  9:21 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

i don't care if he looked him in the eye or spit in his face. it was a good move on isiah's part.

i hope dice is healthy b/c he can play (or at least used to be able to) but he's nothing more than a bench player now.
EXACTLY!! I dont want any knick fan to get influenced by this article and for even one second wonder if we should have stuck with McDyess. McDyess will never be explosive again and would not have lead the Knicks to anything had he still been here.
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10/1/2004  9:32 AM
Sometimes I can't believe what I am reading on this site...McDyess shouldn't be going strong in practice, the man has to be confident in his abilities and can't think about his knee....

Sadly the Knicks were in a tough spot last year and they rushed him back and put a lot of pressure on him....Slowly you began to see shades of the old dice, 8 & 8 is hardly pathetic playing limited minutes, getting your timing and conditioning back.....

He needed to be traded and it was sad to see him go, although it would have been nice to package Harrington and Thomas in the deal instead of Dice....

They would have been something special with Dice, as he looked extremely dominating in the preseason, and the Knicks only finished around 5-6 games under 500....and that was with spree missing the first 10 games....The Knicks would have at least made it to the second round, and maybe even further considering Boston went to the conference finals....

Wish Dice luck, which he won't need he average 11 & 8, and the Pistons will win another championship as they have improved greatly with his addition, Delfino, and Darko should make a small contribution
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10/1/2004  9:34 AM
I think we did the right thing in moving McDyess, but I also think he will be very close to the player he once was. when he first came to the Knicks after the Denver surgury he was high flying and dunking. Granted it was only 3 preseason games but he obviously had his physical skills.

Its also obvious the Knicks rushed him back out of desperation when he needed a full 18 months to heal. No reason he cant be the old Dice... and I hope for his sake he is. Always liked that guy. At some point you need to move away from your mistakes and build something. We are doing that. I'm ok with all of this.
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10/1/2004  9:36 AM
ah, what could have been.

It would have been nice to see a healthy combo of Dice, H20 and Spree/KVH.

We waited a long time for these guys to heal, and we argued over them so much, that I would have liked to have seen it. With our draft picks, Lampe, sweets, frank, there was a design. It was faulty of course, but in a perfect world all those guys would have logged in games togehter and would have been a competitive core while obviously Laydog was going with youth.

He rolled the dice and lost, and of course having fatspoon, eyes, and Shandon made it impossible to do any deals with an owner whom obviously lost confidence in his GM.

I repeat, IM not saying i prefer a dice led team and have layden. But it would have been intresting to have seen it. And lets be real, had Layden been successful, so would have the team!

I think some will feel bette if dice is "nothing more than a bench player", but I hope he returns full strength and regains his form. Naturally this might conflict with what he might do to us, but he is a good guy, was one of us, and was nothing but a professional about things.

He is not happy with Isiah, but I think he will handle it better than when spree made his return to the garden!
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10/1/2004  9:55 AM
“I had no chance to get my body back in New York,” he said. “I rushed it and it took a toll on me.”

McDyess was unable to perform anywhere near the 16.7-point, 8.7-rebound career standards he had set for himself. And, as the Knicks faltered, McDyess felt as if he was made a scapegoat by Thomas.

“It was like they made everything out to be my fault,” he said at the time. “Once Isiah came, he wouldn’t even look me in the eye. Isiah never said a word to me. He slapped my hand, but that was it.”

Thomas, in one of his first moves, traded McDyess to Phoenix last January. There, McDyess was finally allowed time to heal. By the end of the season, his body and game were rounding back into shape.

almost 2 years & he says he didn't have enough time to heal? gimme a break...the Knicks were very patient w/Dice, & he rushed HIMSELF back to prove to everyone that the trade was a good one...him blaming the Knicks for his own failed attempt to comeback & be a factor is ridiculous...just chalk it up to bad luck, bad timing, & a bad decision by Scott Layden to trade for your injured ass to begin with...have fun in DET Antonio...the Knicks have moved on & so should you
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10/1/2004  10:32 AM
I think Layden screwed the franchise by trading for McDyess giving up Nene and Camby, but Isiah did the right thing in moving McDyess + others for Marbury & Penny (I just didn't agree with the Lampe inclusion).

The only thing I wanna say about Dice is that I truly wish him the best, and I'd be very happy to see his explosive plays regardless of which team he plays for. Who knows how his knee will turn out this season. I don't think it's worth my time to speculate (same with Houston). It is always good to see a quality player come back and shine again. It'd be great if Dice, Grant, Houston, and Kidd could fully play without holding anything back.
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10/1/2004  10:38 AM
Posted by SKY:

The only thing I wanna say about Dice is that I truly wish him the best, and I'd be very happy to see his explosive plays regardless of which team he plays for. Who knows how his knee will turn out this season. I don't think it's worth my time to speculate (same with Houston). It is always good to see a quality player come back and shine again. It'd be great if Dice, Grant, Houston, and Kidd could fully play without holding anything back.

Yeah that's a good comment. It's about love of the game. I'll tell you a guy I would have loved to see have a career without a major injury - LJ. Man, remember him in Charlotte in his early days?? Good Lord, flying, dishing, boarding, scoring every way possible. Maybe would have been one of the all-time greats without that back injury,

Here's another: Clark Kellogg.
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10/1/2004  10:43 AM
I still think we lost out. I'm almost certain he'll get a ring the season.
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10/2/2004  12:21 PM
One thing I'm not thrilled about is Isiah's treatment of some guys - like Dice, Mutombo, Chaney, etc, and now Anderson. There's no class in not being professional and respectful, especially as a GM. And it could hurt the franchise.

I'm not liking the NBA resembling a zoo. It's one thing to see emotions colliding on the court, but it's utterly disappointing to see many players having trouble with the law... Guns, drugs, rape, fights, etc, etc. It's about having self-disciline and respect for others. GM of all people should exude professionalism and respect. It starts from the top.
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10/2/2004  12:51 PM
It's so funny how Isiah didn't want to give up McDyess in the Marbury trade but in order to acquire the star PG, Phoenix wanted McDyess last yr contract included in the deal..

It's was a risky move on LayDum's part when he acquired McDyess
during draft night. That move was one of his blundering moves which enabled him to get fired..
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