The only thing I can’t stand is the lack of hustle we need a proven winner as a coach. Someone who can teach these kids, I don’t care if we loose as long as we give 110% and know we left it all out on the floor... if you don’t you don’t play period.

We are getting out worked on a nightly basis last night when we went up in the first quarter, the raptors just out hustled us they actually gave a S HIt. That team is a well oiled machine, thanks to great coaching... they lost there best player were without there best player in lowery... just look at there bench a bunch of nobody’s. Yes they have a star in pascal, a washed up center in gasol, and a potential 6th man of the year in van vleet.

Everyone on our team isn’t even giving 70 % except for frank and Gibson. That is unacceptable, and that falls solely on the entire coaching staff.

Is this team good no and I don’t even expect a great coach to get this team a winning record... is this team better then 4 wins tied for the worst record in the league, yes absolutely.

Management needs to fire fiz and the staff to show the players we are not going to accept half Assing... we are bringing in a proven winner as a coach and you as players are next on the block if you don’t give 110%

Right now we could put out a g league squad and have a better chance of winning at least they will hustle.

Right now this team is on easy street with no accountability basically going through the motions to collect a paycheck. It’s unacceptable.

Keepers
Barrett
Frank
Knox
Gibson
Robinson
Iggy
Zo

The rest can go

We need to keep building through the draft eventually we are going to strike gold. We should be looking to gather as many first round picks as possible.

Steps to success

fire fiz and entire staff

Bring in a proven winner that holds players accountable and can build a winning culture.

Trade the high priced role players for picks

Maybe open up cap space for a star but don’t count on it.

Next year this team could look like

Pg: top five pick, frank, Payton
Sg: Barrett, zo and dot
Sf: Knox,first round pick from Randal,iggy
Pf: first round pick from Morris, free agent signing
C: Robinson, Gibson

We should also see if someone is willing to give us a first for dsjr

And next year still a lottery team but with another top 5 pick and Dallas pick

Pg: 2020 top pick, Frank, Payton
Sg: Barrett, zo, dot
Sf:2021 top 5 pick, knox, 2020 first round
Pf:2020first, Dallas pick
C: Robinson,Gibson

Hopefully with some of the lottery talent can attract a star throw the Greek freak in that squad and we are contenders. the rebuild is finished by 2021 and we contend for the next 10 years.

That is what a rebuild looks like everyone buckle in and enjoy the circus it’s gonna be a bumpy ride.

Jmpasq wrote:People overrate our core. No one on this team is that good. We have RJ and Mitch as high potiental pieces, Frank and Dotson are useful, and everyone else just sucks. Our front office is horrible we need to fall ass backwards into a star player to have any chance. What has Scott Perry done ? His resume has him trading away better players than he brought in? Who do we have thats better than Oladipo and Porzinigis, but we trust this guy to build our team? Why? We had a shot at Doncic and Young but weren't bad enough. The rules are stacked against us. They took out all the loopholes that gave big market teams an advantage so we can't use our financial might. I see no reason for optimism. Basically I'm just waiting for us to be bad enough in the right year to get our lead guard. Until we get that guy we will continue to suck. I think once we get our lead guard things will fall into place. I hope we are lucky enough to get a top 4 pick. We pick top 4 we will be ok

But, will Mitch ever be able to stop fouling? We don't know. We hope.

RJ definitely looks like a nice talent. But is he a franchise talent? DO you see a player that might be in the running to be an MVP? I don't. All Star, yes for sure.

But we need to be focused on building a championship team.

I say everyone should be available in a trade. If there is a top 3 pick in a solid draft and someone asks for RJ, we need to evaluate and possibly say yes.

I'd see what we can get for DSjr. Maybe it's package.

But, we got nothing for Mudiay and after the season he had, we should have retained or traded him at the deadline last year.

I'll accept that we wouldn't have gotten a lot, but not even a 2nd rounder?

And if a 2nd rounder is all we can get for DSjr, do it. I just don't see a future for him here.

franco12 wrote:Actually - do we have any players that are keepers? Look, Mitch, RJ have promise.

But, will Mitch ever be able to stop fouling? We don't know. We hope.

RJ definitely looks like a nice talent. But is he a franchise talent? DO you see a player that might be in the running to be an MVP? I don't. All Star, yes for sure.

But we need to be focused on building a championship team.

I say everyone should be available in a trade. If there is a top 3 pick in a solid draft and someone asks for RJ, we need to evaluate and possibly say yes.

I'd see what we can get for DSjr. Maybe it's package.

But, we got nothing for Mudiay and after the season he had, we should have retained or traded him at the deadline last year.

I'll accept that we wouldn't have gotten a lot, but not even a 2nd rounder?

And if a 2nd rounder is all we can get for DSjr, do it. I just don't see a future for him here.

We definitely have 2 potential future all stars in RJ and Mitch and a couple other potential role players in Ntilikina and knox. At this stage that’s all you can ask. We have to get a guard in this draft and get a good one.

Knixkik wrote:

franco12 wrote:Actually - do we have any players that are keepers? Look, Mitch, RJ have promise.

But, will Mitch ever be able to stop fouling? We don't know. We hope.

RJ definitely looks like a nice talent. But is he a franchise talent? DO you see a player that might be in the running to be an MVP? I don't. All Star, yes for sure.

But we need to be focused on building a championship team.

I say everyone should be available in a trade. If there is a top 3 pick in a solid draft and someone asks for RJ, we need to evaluate and possibly say yes.

I'd see what we can get for DSjr. Maybe it's package.

But, we got nothing for Mudiay and after the season he had, we should have retained or traded him at the deadline last year.

I'll accept that we wouldn't have gotten a lot, but not even a 2nd rounder?

And if a 2nd rounder is all we can get for DSjr, do it. I just don't see a future for him here.

We definitely have 2 potential future all stars in RJ and Mitch and a couple other potential role players in Ntilikina and knox. At this stage that’s all you can ask. We have to get a guard in this draft and get a good one.

I have hope he will, but if Mitch can't avoid averaging a foul a minute, he won't be in any all star game.

Knox and Frank are nice, but if someone offered you a potential top ten pick in a future draft, you'd be crazy not to take it.

franco12 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

franco12 wrote:Actually - do we have any players that are keepers? Look, Mitch, RJ have promise.

But, will Mitch ever be able to stop fouling? We don't know. We hope.

RJ definitely looks like a nice talent. But is he a franchise talent? DO you see a player that might be in the running to be an MVP? I don't. All Star, yes for sure.

But we need to be focused on building a championship team.

I say everyone should be available in a trade. If there is a top 3 pick in a solid draft and someone asks for RJ, we need to evaluate and possibly say yes.

I'd see what we can get for DSjr. Maybe it's package.

But, we got nothing for Mudiay and after the season he had, we should have retained or traded him at the deadline last year.

I'll accept that we wouldn't have gotten a lot, but not even a 2nd rounder?

And if a 2nd rounder is all we can get for DSjr, do it. I just don't see a future for him here.

We definitely have 2 potential future all stars in RJ and Mitch and a couple other potential role players in Ntilikina and knox. At this stage that’s all you can ask. We have to get a guard in this draft and get a good one.

I have hope he will, but if Mitch can't avoid averaging a foul a minute, he won't be in any all star game.

Knox and Frank are nice, but if someone offered you a potential top ten pick in a future draft, you'd be crazy not to take it.

The magical thinking with top ten picks is eternal on these boards. Frank and Knox ARE top ten picks who have paid some dues. Why reboot that same cycle over and over and over?

No they aren't generational stars but nobody is trading you one of those intentionally. What they are trading is a lottery ticket. Frankie and Knox are actually two of the more optimistic examples of what that comes out like.

This is not to say they're untradable, simply that that kind of trade isn't even a lateral move.