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knicks1248
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11/25/2019  12:00 PM
I'm asking because this F/O couldn't trade (kanter's) expiring contracts, and pretty much waived anyone who had and expiring contract including Mathews.

No team is giving up 1st rounders for the likes of morris (who left the spurs hanging) or randles 20 mill.

Ellington, payton, bullock, have almost no value.

So when I hear ppl talking about dec 15 can't get here fast enough, i have to laugh, because what team would really give away picks for what we have, and the F/O isn't taking on any future salary in any trades.

They refused to give up anything significant in an AD trade( that shows you how conservative they are).

I think they built this roster with the hopes of a super star( AD or KAT) requesting a trade, where they can package all of their expiring contracts and a couple of draft picks.

IMO the only players that have real value is (Knox, frank, dsj, mitch, RJ)

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11/25/2019  12:12 PM
Yeah they aren’t worth anything. Morris is the only one that probably is. He could land a late first but I question if that’s worth it for us. He has value moving forward as a 2-way player with elite outside shooting and leadership. We need that with a rebuilding team regardless of his age. We won’t get that type of return on a late first round pick. But everyone else is worthless and rightfully so.
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11/25/2019  12:44 PM
Seems like this is a post not about the players, but fans you can laugh at.

While its well documented how feel about our "Conservative FO", do you think an aggressive move that might have landed AD and an attractive team for him to play with that would have motivated him to resign with the the knicks?
AD has not resigned with lakers despite the boat load they gave them AAAAND, he plays with Lebron? Its stand to logic that they will resign him and if need be trade him if he becomes disenfranchised with what ever happens with the Lakers.
If you sign Lebron for "free" as they did. Or clippers land Kawhi then it stands to reason you can push your chips to the middle of the table and make a deal as they did for AD and Clips for Paul George. My thoughts were erhaps if Knicks could have made nice with KP, signed a free agent to pair with him then use youth/picks (not including Dallas picks of course) to round out the roster then its a "win now" type team.
Your concepts are often half baked lacking details.

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11/25/2019  12:49 PM
Morris would draw a lot of interest. He is shooting an amazing 3 point FG and I can see him fitting well with so many teams that are well established. I might be on the short list but I don’t mind having him.
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11/25/2019  12:52 PM
Knixkik wrote:Yeah they aren’t worth anything. Morris is the only one that probably is. He could land a late first but I question if that’s worth it for us. He has value moving forward as a 2-way player with elite outside shooting and leadership. We need that with a rebuilding team regardless of his age. We won’t get that type of return on a late first round pick. But everyone else is worthless and rightfully so.

Also don't want to be the franchise that signs guys then trades them two months into a season.
I'll repeat myself, Morris and Randle are not franchise players but we are utilizing them as such.
The only way these guys get moved is to teams that will move salary off, give us incentive and a player with alonger deal. The caveat is they will want to resign them. Portis or Morris fit this.
Given the free agent market this year stinks its a way for us to gain assets. Im not saying that happens BTW. Its an option. The key to success is rarely a starphuch big move but lots of small ones that eventually add up.

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11/25/2019  12:53 PM
Vmart wrote:Morris would draw a lot of interest. He is shooting an amazing 3 point FG and I can see him fitting well with so many teams that are well established. I might be on the short list but I don’t mind having him.

Short list, short bus.....if the knicks logo on it its the same thing!!!

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11/25/2019  12:54 PM
Vmart wrote:Morris would draw a lot of interest. He is shooting an amazing 3 point FG and I can see him fitting well with so many teams that are well established. I might be on the short list but I don’t mind having him.

exactly. He's the one chip. Assuming there is an arm's race out west many teams will be all in and will absolutely see Morris as difference maker. Defends multiple positions well, spaces floor... he's very good and can help almost any team.

After that its doo doo

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11/25/2019  1:02 PM
I guess there is an assumption to trading Morris for 1st round picks only?

Morris for a guy on a rookie deal would also be fair value (with some expiring contracts).

Portland and Nassir Little seems like a target. Something like that

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11/25/2019  1:07 PM
fishmike wrote:
Vmart wrote:Morris would draw a lot of interest. He is shooting an amazing 3 point FG and I can see him fitting well with so many teams that are well established. I might be on the short list but I don’t mind having him.

exactly. He's the one chip. Assuming there is an arm's race out west many teams will be all in and will absolutely see Morris as difference maker. Defends multiple positions well, spaces floor... he's very good and can help almost any team.

After that its doo doo

I would rather keep morris and add players that can help him move the needle even if their contract runs pass next season.

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11/25/2019  1:30 PM
I doubt they trade randle because there going to give him more time adjust but they would probably trade for danagelo russell. I could see the knicks trading portis, payton and dallas first round pick 2023 for danagelo russell.
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11/25/2019  1:36 PM
Morris is the only player we have that would probably give the Knicks a significant return but he is also the player that you would want to keep and build a team with.

I like this team. I really believe we have all the pieces minus that ONE "superstar" player that can create and take over but, if I had to trade anyone to acquire that "player" it would have to be Randle/Knox. I think those two players are expendable.

I would also include Frank but only if the return is an upgrade at the PG position.

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11/25/2019  1:39 PM
Sure looks like we match up pretty well with GSW if they decide to trade Russel. Expiring contracts would give them cap relief and the Mavs 1st rounders which, if they keep playing as well as they have been are out of the lottery. Maybe swap a couple youngins if needed
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11/25/2019  1:46 PM
I think all of the vets are very tradeable. With the exception of Randle, all of them has a 1 year contract.
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11/25/2019  2:54 PM
other team's just look to make the most of the buyout market. no one pays up for expiring contracts at deadline. who are we fooling.
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11/25/2019  3:03 PM
NYKBocker wrote:I think all of the vets are very tradeable. With the exception of Randle, all of them has a 1 year contract.

98% of NBA players are tradable, it's who or what your willing to to give up in order to acquire a player that will leave your team.

Teams will gamble with a superstar in hopes of retaining him (AD, Kawhi, melo, WB) but no ones giving up solid assets to trade for a role player in hopes he gets them over the hump.

The worst port about the KP trade is we lost Jordan and mathews (solid role players), and are left with just one player (dsj)

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11/25/2019  3:28 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/25/2019  3:29 PM
Guys like Morris, Trier, and Dotson have trade value. I think Morris would definitely net a 1st round pick but the only tricky point is his salary would have to be matched with expiring contracts, but it could be done. I actually like Morris though. We really need to trade Randle, but I don't think that is happening due to his salary and the fact the FO would look like idiots if they traded him (even though that is not a good excuse if trading him is best for the team). I think we could get a high 2nd rounder for Trier or Dotson. In fact, Trier might net us a 1st for a team looking for a scorer off the bench. Whatever we do, we need to accumulate draft picks and hope that at some point in the future the FO can put together a package of deals that makes sense. It is what Boston did ten years ago when they got KD and Ray Allen. Keep accumulating assets and hope we get lucky in the lottery or in free agency or through a trade (as long as it is not for a incomplete player). All we can do at the moment though is keep developing these young guys. RJ looks like the real deal, and Mitch (once he figures out how to not foul as much) is going to be a quality center. Iggy also looks like a high IQ/Scorer (if he can play defense). So we have some pieces.
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11/25/2019  3:36 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/25/2019  3:36 PM
TheGame wrote:Guys like Morris, Trier, and Dotson have trade value. I think Morris would definitely net a 1st round pick but the only tricky point is his salary would have to be matched with expiring contracts, but it could be done. I actually like Morris though. We really need to trade Randle, but I don't think that is happening due to his salary and the fact the FO would look like idiots if they traded him (even though that is not a good excuse if trading him is best for the team). I think we could get a high 2nd rounder for Trier or Dotson. In fact, Trier might net us a 1st for a team looking for a scorer off the bench. Whatever we do, we need to accumulate draft picks and hope that at some point in the future the FO can put together a package of deals that makes sense. It is what Boston did ten years ago when they got KD and Ray Allen. Keep accumulating assets and hope we get lucky in the lottery or in free agency or through a trade (as long as it is not for a incomplete player). All we can do at the moment though is keep developing these young guys. RJ looks like the real deal, and Mitch (once he figures out how to not foul as much) is going to be a quality center. Iggy also looks like a high IQ/Scorer (if he can play defense). So we have some pieces.

so if your a GM you would give up your teams first round pick and watch morris depart in june, leaving you with no pick and no player.....FIRED..lol
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11/25/2019  5:27 PM
Nalod wrote:
Knixkik wrote:Yeah they aren’t worth anything. Morris is the only one that probably is. He could land a late first but I question if that’s worth it for us. He has value moving forward as a 2-way player with elite outside shooting and leadership. We need that with a rebuilding team regardless of his age. We won’t get that type of return on a late first round pick. But everyone else is worthless and rightfully so.

Also don't want to be the franchise that signs guys then trades them two months into a season.
I'll repeat myself, Morris and Randle are not franchise players but we are utilizing them as such.
The only way these guys get moved is to teams that will move salary off, give us incentive and a player with alonger deal. The caveat is they will want to resign them. Portis or Morris fit this.
Given the free agent market this year stinks its a way for us to gain assets. Im not saying that happens BTW. Its an option. The key to success is rarely a starphuch big move but lots of small ones that eventually add up.

Yeah I don’t think we should just move guys quickly. This is a franchise trying to stabilize and build culture and the turn and churn doesn’t help that. Rebuilding means establishing a plan and sticking with it. Winning isn’t happening right now but constantly turning over the roster doesn’t solve anything.

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11/25/2019  5:42 PM
NYKBocker wrote:I think all of the vets are very tradeable. With the exception of Randle, all of them has a 1 year contract.

DING.....DING....DING

Thank u for saving me the time to explain....

That's why they signed these 1yr deals. Every year theres 1 or 2 stars seeking a trade. Stars like demar derozon would love to use the broadway lights to self promote and show they can lead a bad team. Theres lots of players on teams ready to leave and shine. I can see this self agent strategy increasing each year. Players see these guys asking for what they want and getting it.

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11/25/2019  5:51 PM
blkexec wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:I think all of the vets are very tradeable. With the exception of Randle, all of them has a 1 year contract.

DING.....DING....DING

Thank u for saving me the time to explain....

That's why they signed these 1yr deals. Every year theres 1 or 2 stars seeking a trade. Stars like demar derozon would love to use the broadway lights to self promote and show they can lead a bad team. Theres lots of players on teams ready to leave and shine. I can see this self agent strategy increasing each year. Players see these guys asking for what they want and getting it.

Yeah, but given the group we have, we'll have to throw in other assets as well. These guys, with the exception of Morris are nothing more than salary ballasts. I guess everyone is tradeable, but how much is a team giving up for Portia or Taj, who I want to keep? There are probably cheaper options out there.

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