franco12 wrote:After 7 games, I have more questions about our coach than our players. And I have more questions about the front office and what they built than the players.

I thought with the players we added and kept, we'd be better than last year, and better than the record we have thus far.

But, there is a big question about fit - and that is on the FO at this stage.

And there is a question in my mind that wasn't there at the beginning of the season - and that is, is Fiz an NBA level coach?

I agree....this year will put tones of pressure on the coach and the front office.

Looks like the front office and fiz was not on the same page. I think thats very clear.

Its like the front office went shopping with mommas big check, but no shopping list.

It's like the front office or fiz never played basketball before. Anybody can see this roster was hand picked with a blind fold.

This is why I said this roster sets Fiz up to fail. He's either a hero or a zero. The good news is he should get the entire year before he's kicked to the side. I hope he finds the right rotation and start building some chemistry.

Trying to be optimistic, but it's hard with this team. Nobody looks comfortable....Everybody looks confused. They just out there punching the clock. We have a good mix or players like Morris, who's a keeper, but not as your best player. Same with all the forwards we added. And at the same time, all of the backup forwards are pressing too much. Trying to show that they are starters, and thats hurting team chemistry.

blkexec wrote:

franco12 wrote:After 7 games, I have more questions about our coach than our players. And I have more questions about the front office and what they built than the players.

I thought with the players we added and kept, we'd be better than last year, and better than the record we have thus far.

But, there is a big question about fit - and that is on the FO at this stage.

And there is a question in my mind that wasn't there at the beginning of the season - and that is, is Fiz an NBA level coach?

I agree....this year will put tones of pressure on the coach and the front office.

Looks like the front office and fiz was not on the same page. I think thats very clear.

Its like the front office went shopping with mommas big check, but no shopping list.

It's like the front office or fiz never played basketball before. Anybody can see this roster was hand picked with a blind fold.

This is why I said this roster sets Fiz up to fail. He's either a hero or a zero. The good news is he should get the entire year before he's kicked to the side. I hope he finds the right rotation and start building some chemistry.

Trying to be optimistic, but it's hard with this team. Nobody looks comfortable....Everybody looks confused. They just out there punching the clock. We have a good mix or players like Morris, who's a keeper, but not as your best player. Same with all the forwards we added. And at the same time, all of the backup forwards are pressing too much. Trying to show that they are starters, and thats hurting team chemistry.

We've been down this road before. Short term contracts are good for GMs and the front office....Gives them flexiblity. But it's terrible for coaches and young players trying to develop.

Having a player on a short term contract, is like having an interview every day at work. You always trying to show your worth...your value to the team. Instead of letting team chemistry evolve organically.

Move on folks...nothing to see here.

Swishfm3 wrote:I think its funny that some here are still calling Frank a "defensive specialist". Still holding on to some sort of hope that he can become something that he is clearly not.

Move on folks...nothing to see here.

I don't get this. What is there to move on from?

knicks1248 wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:Be very careful of trading a player for ineffectiveness when your coaching is in disarray. Especially when the player is so young.

The best we have seen from Frank has been in a well-established system. Hate Hornaceck all you want, but things made a little more sense offensively back then with him.

I think Frank is one of those guys that would flourish away from us simply because of an improvement in his role and the system. Fizdale brings none of that.

I’d rather see many of our youngsters be coached by someone else than trading them away.

I have been saying this for the longest, NY is not for Frank, this system in not for frank, this coach is not for frank, and this Franchise struggles with International players.

Trade him for someone that fits better, instead of holding on to him praying he one day thinks offense. He's struggling, the team is struggling, the coach is definitely struggling and who's benefiting?

Is there an inert distain for foreign players? What theory can you throw out as to why we don't do well with international players?
Do Canadians count? Jamaicans?

knicks1248 wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:Be very careful of trading a player for ineffectiveness when your coaching is in disarray. Especially when the player is so young.

The best we have seen from Frank has been in a well-established system. Hate Hornaceck all you want, but things made a little more sense offensively back then with him.

I think Frank is one of those guys that would flourish away from us simply because of an improvement in his role and the system. Fizdale brings none of that.

I’d rather see many of our youngsters be coached by someone else than trading them away.

I have been saying this for the longest, NY is not for Frank, this system in not for frank, this coach is not for frank, and this Franchise struggles with International players.

Trade him for someone that fits better, instead of holding on to him praying he one day thinks offense. He's struggling, the team is struggling, the coach is definitely struggling and who's benefiting?

Do you not realize the Knicks best chance at winning is with defense. I agree Frank is being limited by the coach and his decisions. Frank is very capable of getting to the rim and finishing. The struggle with Frank is he is about team and putting others before his needs. Those type of players you never let go. He will find a balance between scoring and passing.

Vmart wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:Be very careful of trading a player for ineffectiveness when your coaching is in disarray. Especially when the player is so young.

The best we have seen from Frank has been in a well-established system. Hate Hornaceck all you want, but things made a little more sense offensively back then with him.

I think Frank is one of those guys that would flourish away from us simply because of an improvement in his role and the system. Fizdale brings none of that.

I’d rather see many of our youngsters be coached by someone else than trading them away.

I have been saying this for the longest, NY is not for Frank, this system in not for frank, this coach is not for frank, and this Franchise struggles with International players.

Trade him for someone that fits better, instead of holding on to him praying he one day thinks offense. He's struggling, the team is struggling, the coach is definitely struggling and who's benefiting?

Do you not realize the Knicks best chance at winning is with defense. I agree Frank is being limited by the coach and his decisions. Frank is very capable of getting to the rim and finishing. The struggle with Frank is he is about team and putting others before his needs. Those type of players you never let go. He will find a balance between scoring and passing.

You don't have the type of roster that compliments his style of play on either end of the floor, so again who's benefiting?

Are you going to build a roster around frank? You know the answer to that.

Are you going to fire the coach or is fiz supposed to have the other 9 guys play like him.

His defense is completey overrated, kember 33 points, your sending out there to guard the team' best player like Artest

When we struggle to score he's going to get yanked like fiz did against the kings despite frank being the only pg available.

whats going to happen when DSJ and payton return, he is going to rack up DNP's CD, you guys know this

martin wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:I think its funny that some here are still calling Frank a "defensive specialist". Still holding on to some sort of hope that he can become something that he is clearly not.

Move on folks...nothing to see here.

I don't get this. What is there to move on from?

Move on Frank.

We want him to succeed so badly that we find any excuse for his shortcomings. He is not a rotational player on a NBA team and hasn't shown (at least to me) that he ever will be. If the Knicks haven't started yet, they need to start looking to move him before he loses even more value.

Swishfm3 wrote:

martin wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:I think its funny that some here are still calling Frank a "defensive specialist". Still holding on to some sort of hope that he can become something that he is clearly not.

Move on folks...nothing to see here.

I don't get this. What is there to move on from?

Move on Frank.

We want him to succeed so badly that we find any excuse for his shortcomings. He is not a rotational player on a NBA team and hasn't shown (at least to me) that he ever will be. If the Knicks haven't started yet, they need to start looking to move him before he loses even more value.

if he is not a rotational player on the worst team in the league how does he have value?
If we don't perceive value why did we extend his contract? DSjr is bloody awful, we extended him too.
Have to go on the belief that "frank is a good player on a good team". If Frank won't bring us value to make us a good team, then shouldn't we keep and develop him until was are a good team, and he'll make us better?
Did we extend Dennis because we traded for him, or there is a ceiling the plethora of coaches and scouts think he has?

NYKBocker wrote:I am a big Frank fan. Love the kid. He has his warts and he has a few of them.

He needs to improve on the following or he will be forever a backup but if he improves these items then he can be a Charlie Ward type starter in the association. If he can accomplish this then he is the perfect backcourt mate for RJ since RJ is a ball dominant SG.

1. Improve his 3 point %age. He connects at over 37% and he is golden.
2. He needs to start looking for his shots more. He is great at setting up his teammates but he needs to be looked upon as threat at all times or things won't work.
3. When leading the break and he doesn't pass ahead he stops at the 3 point line to pass to a teammate in the wing to reset. I hate it when he does that all the time. He needs to probe and continue if nothing there then bring it back out.

Stating the facts where some of them are obvious, Fizdale is really not helping him at all. There are a lot that Frank can do himself to get better but his coach has to put him in the best possible situation to succeed. Here are some things Fizdale can do to help Frank.

1. In offense, run the PnR with Frank and Randle. Frank ran this with Porzingis and they ran it well. Randle needs to learn how to read the defense and know when to pop or roll and he will get a lot of open looks. Randle also needs to learn how to set a ****ing pick. Frank delivers very accurate passes to bigs when they roll. I don't understand why Fizdale never uses this.
2. Tell Frank that he needs to learn how to back cut. Dude is standing in the corner and his defender is not paying attention to him all the time. CUT FRANK!
3. Stop yanking Frank out for offense/defense situations at the end of games. You want to show him confidence then this is the best time to do it.
4. Get rid of that stupid 3 man weave going east and west at the top of the key. That **** never works. The only thing it does is piss me off and take 5 seconds off the 24 second clock.
5. Pass and cut. Too much standing around. If you pass and cut to the basket then you are putting pressure on the defense to guard the paint and your 3 point shooters will be open.

OK. Rant over.

EDIT: Oh, and stop the ****ing ISO. You have 2 capable ISO players in RJ and Trier. Stop ISO centric offense with Randle and Morris. Have Morris be a 3 and D player and he will flourish.

Spot on.

GustavBahler wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:

martin wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:I think its funny that some here are still calling Frank a "defensive specialist". Still holding on to some sort of hope that he can become something that he is clearly not.

Move on folks...nothing to see here.

I don't get this. What is there to move on from?

Move on Frank.

We want him to succeed so badly that we find any excuse for his shortcomings. He is not a rotational player on a NBA team and hasn't shown (at least to me) that he ever will be. If the Knicks haven't started yet, they need to start looking to move him before he loses even more value.

if he is not a rotational player on the worst team in the league how does he have value?
If we don't perceive value why did we extend his contract? DSjr is bloody awful, we extended him too.
Have to go on the belief that "frank is a good player on a good team". If Frank won't bring us value to make us a good team, then shouldn't we keep and develop him until was are a good team, and he'll make us better?
Did we extend Dennis because we traded for him, or there is a ceiling the plethora of coaches and scouts think he has?

Frank is a rotational player who has limited value on a bad team. Which we are right now. Frank's best role IMO is on a contender, as a backup 1-3. When a starter/star player rests, gets in foul trouble. Frank can come in and help keep the other team from taking advantage of the situation.

Dont see him as a catalyst on offense. Thats what this team needs badly. Frank has value, but keeping him around long term is feeling more like a luxury. If trading Frank could get us a high second round pick. A chance to draft some PGs, that would be a good deal

Smith jr (from a distance) doesnt seem to be emotionally or physically sharp. Before the sad news of the passing of a family member, didnt show the fire we were expecting. Hope he is in a better place when he gets back. Physically and emotionally.

Was the right thing to do pick up both their options. If both players dont look to be a fit long term, then its good to know we have a GM with a good draft record since taking the job, and lots of draft picks. If it doesnt work out with Smith jr. and Frank. Maybe they can bring us even more.

I seriously doubt that when we are desperate for a pg and Shai Gilgeous-Alexander (avg 21 ppg, 7 rbs, and 3.5 asst even with chris paul on the roster for okc)was picked after knox. He also was on the 2nd team all rookie.

There are a good amount of players that were picked after Knox and frank that are doing so much better.

Mitch was definitely a solid pick, but he is in desperate need of a reliable jumper to be a real offensive threat, in today's game it's all about spacing, which is why he was regulated to the bench.

Right now i would prefer The heats BAM ADEBAYO #13 (15 ppg, 9rb, and 5assit) over knox#9(10ppg 3.7 rebounds, 1 asst) i would even prefer herro TYLER HERRO over RJ who shoots FT's worse than ShAQ.

I like RJ, but herro is a much better shooter, and rebonds just as well..

So when you start talking about our GM making great draft picks, go check how other players are doing that were picked after.

OUR gm is hoping signing guy he drafted yrs ago, as if he's trying to justify why he draft them where he was with orlando.

Funny how orlando made the playoffs after revamping their roster when perry was fired, in fact, the magic retain the guy under scott perry, and perry was an assistant gm that's how bad he was..tell me this doesnt sound familiar

There are auxiliary factors to consider, though. As my Ringer teammate Kevin Clark pointed out, the Magic haven’t had lottery luck in loaded draft classes; if the balls bounce a different way, maybe Hennigan looks like a brilliant GM. It’s also not easy to build a team with a lack of organizational alignment. The Magic were trying to go young with the likes of Aaron Gordon and Victor Oladipo, but the youth movement was stopped last summer. They dumped youth and picks for an aging Serge Ibaka, signed Jeff Green to mope on the bench, and brought in Bismack Biyombo to awkwardly fit alongside Nikola Vucevic.