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BRIGGS
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9/29/2004  11:06 PM
we need an athletic defensive player BADLY and ruben is the best player that is available to the market--i know they want to get rid of him and JYD is reasonable compensation
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9/29/2004  11:33 PM
whoa man, now I know you are smokin' something good tonight.

Craw? Ariza? Brewer? JYD himself. I think these are OK players to let develop into defensive players. Acutally I don't know too much about Craw defenisively.

Plus, you add another 2 guard, and the Knicks already have plenty of them.
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9/30/2004  12:00 AM
actually ruben is a 3---can we depend on trevor ariza in year 1? or is he better off served being utilized as a player on IR who takes the year to strengthen his bosy-develop a better jumper and IF needed used as a guy who comes in during FT or injury problems? Really we dont have any SF behind TT because JYD really is a 4. Patterson fits the mold we need--athletic tough perimeter defender who can score inside and rebound off the bench--if something happens to TT Ruben is very capable of starting. Hes a VERY good defensive player--better than JYD--remember his knickname the kobe stopper:>)
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9/30/2004  12:08 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

we need an athletic defensive player BADLY and ruben is the best player that is available to the market--i know they want to get rid of him and JYD is reasonable compensation

We need an athletic defensive player; thus, we need to get rid of JYD??? I just can't understand that reasoning
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9/30/2004  12:26 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

actually ruben is a 3---can we depend on trevor ariza in year 1? or is he better off served being utilized as a player on IR who takes the year to strengthen his bosy-develop a better jumper and IF needed used as a guy who comes in during FT or injury problems? Really we dont have any SF behind TT because JYD really is a 4. Patterson fits the mold we need--athletic tough perimeter defender who can score inside and rebound off the bench--if something happens to TT Ruben is very capable of starting. Hes a VERY good defensive player--better than JYD--remember his knickname the kobe stopper:>)

Isn't Ruben 6'5"? How about develop Ariza? I thought you were down for developing young players.
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9/30/2004  12:45 AM
absolutely, but remember trevor is very young his body is VERy skinny and he has 0 shot whatsoever. He CAN play on an NBA level right now--thats why he made the team + he has very NICE upside. But dont you think that this year if he utilizes the year

A-putting on 10 pounds of muscle
B working dilligently on fundamentals with our assitants
C getting a study on proper nutrition and making sure he follows through
D watching everyone go through the motions from the bench practicing hard against NBA players 2-3 times a week
e getting *some* game time PT at some point during the season
and depending on how the season and his progress goess--increasing his PT later in the year

all in the effort to make sure he is ready mentally physically and fundamentally next year. remember hes only 18-19 years old and needs to fill out a little. Im like you, I want to see trevor play an succeed but we must be reasonable with bringing him along.

as for the other question JYD or patterson? Patterson is twice the athlete and he is a pure 3 who can defend 2-3-4 JYD is a good player but he really cant defdn quick 3s no way 2s and we already have enough 4s if we plan on keeping KT



again if

Nazr plays 28 minutes
Mike Sweetney plays 28 minutes
KT plays 24
Vin plays 16

JYD plays NOTHING id rather have Patterson
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9/30/2004  12:49 AM
I think JYD and Patterson are both good defenders. Maybe Patterson is a slightly better perimeter defender, but that's more than cancelled out by the fact that JYD has a much better attitude, will set a much better example for our young players, won't cry and complain if he gets a DNP like Ruben will.
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9/30/2004  1:13 AM
Also JYD is a better shotblocker at the 3-4. Plus he rebounds.
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9/30/2004  7:52 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

we need an athletic defensive player BADLY and ruben is the best player that is available to the market--i know they want to get rid of him and JYD is reasonable compensation

huh?

jyd brings something this team hasn't had in 3 years and that's all out hustle. he works hard every single second out there and has enough energy for the team to feed off of. i think his hustle alone will win us 3-5 games throughout the season. AND he's a defensive player that can play in the open court. NO WAY do i do this trade, especially for ruben patterson.

why not just start the season out with what we have so, you know, WE'LL KNOW WHAT WE HAVE!!!!
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9/30/2004  7:54 AM
btw, for a proponent of young talent and building through the draft, wouldn't you rather just throw ariza out there to help build him up? even if he stinks it up, 5 mins a game could do wonders.
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9/30/2004  8:11 AM
BRIGGS has lost it. He is not a Knickebocker, he is just a pretender. Ruben Patterson for JYD????? THAT IS INSANE.


Posted by djsunyc:

btw, for a proponent of young talent and building through the draft, wouldn't you rather just throw ariza out there to help build him up? even if he stinks it up, 5 mins a game could do wonders.
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9/30/2004  8:41 AM
Posted by diderotn:

BRIGGS has lost it. He is not a Knickebocker, he is just a pretender. Ruben Patterson for JYD????? THAT IS INSANE.


Posted by djsunyc:

btw, for a proponent of young talent and building through the draft, wouldn't you rather just throw ariza out there to help build him up? even if he stinks it up, 5 mins a game could do wonders.

JYD is a great dude, but he also gets injured often, and plays PF. We are deep there. Perhaps if KT is traded JYD is more valuable, but that has yet to present itself. THe trade proposal is thoughtful, but I have a feeling: Crawford and KT for Carter when craw can be traded. Carter plays SF and TT plays big.

I am not sure I like it, but its got star power written all over it. Thus, we take out the "Starphuching" word and apply it to a dolan-esqe type trade. Tell me y'all would not watch more games even if you don't like the trade?

Yo Bonnie, what they think of Vince up by you? They want him gone and understand T-mac is not combing back? Or they want to keep him and improve his attitude? OR just care about hockey and don't consider Vince at all?
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9/30/2004  8:47 AM
[b]Posted by Nalod:[/bJYD is a great dude, but he also gets injured often, and plays PF. We are deep there. Perhaps if KT is traded JYD is more valuable, but that has yet to present itself. THe trade proposal is thoughtful, but I have a feeling: Crawford and KT for Carter when craw can be traded. Carter plays SF and TT plays big.

I am not sure I like it, but its got star power written all over it. Thus, we take out the "Starphuching" word and apply it to a dolan-esqe type trade. Tell me y'all would not watch more games even if you don't like the trade?

Yo Bonnie, what they think of Vince up by you? They want him gone and understand T-mac is not combing back? Or they want to keep him and improve his attitude? OR just care about hockey and don't consider Vince at all?

I hate hate hate the thought of this trade. Every single thing about it. Fortunately I think it's impossible becasue Isiah did not dedicate his entire summer to obtaining Crawford to then turn around and trade him - unless there's an incredibly unlikely deal for an impact 7-footer available.
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9/30/2004  9:31 AM
Posted by TheloniusMonk:

Also JYD is a better shotblocker at the 3-4. Plus he rebounds.
Actually, Jerome is a great defender, but he's definitely not a shot-blocker. He got only 8 blocks for the entire season last year. Ruben's not a shot-blocker either, though. So, that wouldn't change my mind about this trade anyway

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 09/30/2004 09:32:05]
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9/30/2004  9:33 AM
Patterson does not have a good rep, and putting him with Marbury, and Crawford could create a problem.

The toughest place to play used to be Madison Square Garden, and that was partially because our defense, but what the building really needs is energy. And JYD can provide it off the bench, along with blue collar workers like Sweets and KT, which is similiar to the Oakly, Mase, Smith, Foward tandem......So i don't think you make a bad situation worse

What you need to do is work with your athletes, Crawford, Marbury, TT, all of whom are very athletic, and just need the defensive commitment....
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9/30/2004  9:40 AM
Patterson is a 3, but JYD guards 3's as good as anyone. Hecan really guard both forward spots, he always has. You also get great rebounding at the 3 if he's there, and hes a good open court player. I could see him easily beating out Penny for the role of TT's backup.
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9/30/2004  9:42 AM
that trade suggestion is plain STUPIDO
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9/30/2004  9:46 AM
it just tells me Briggs doesnt like JYD. Its a very tough need to address when you still have Penny and Shandon on the roster.
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9/30/2004  10:00 AM
Just to show you, some people just don't care about the Knicks. Just because they claim that they are fans of our, doesn't mean that it is true.
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9/30/2004  11:07 AM
The facts is I dont see JYD even playing much. Really he is a 4, Ruben is a 2-3. Ruben can athletically guard 2-3s and is a better offensive player than JYD. We NEED a guy who can guard the wing because we have no one[unless andersen is going to be utilized?] but still patterson is a guy we could use MORE than JYD. Im not taking anything away from JYD who is a very good role player--we are just to stocked at 4 and we have no good perimeter defenders. Craw weighs about 175-180 trvor is not ready allan is awful at defense and so is TT. This is not a bad trade, it's a smart one for our club.
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