knicks1248 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:The love for Ntilikina and amount of threads are unreal. How can you quantify a player who legitimately can't put the ball in the basket if he was alone in the gym but clearly makes an impact with his defense? I guess that's why there's such a debate.

Every thread involves Frank, mind as well call him RUDY..RUDY...RUDY

The guy with the least amount of impact is the most talked about, if he has a deflection there's thread started, if he steals the ball, he's DOY candidate, if he shoots 2 fo 100, his offense will come later, if takes 2 free throws in 10 games, he doesn't get the calls, if he makes a couple of stops on Kyrie or Kemba, he's now a the best perimeter defender in the league, so what he can't shoot, thats not important now, we have enough scorers, he can end the game with a plus minus of - 20, and that gets disregarded(only when it comes to him) as a stupid stat that doesn't tell the whole story
and are willing to patient for however long it takes.

No other player on the roster gets a pass for his mistakes like frank, the ones who love him will overlook every flaw and be patient for the next 5 yrs or more

Whatever you need to tell yourself for being banned from the bandwagon

All emotion, no facts.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:The love for Ntilikina and amount of threads are unreal. How can you quantify a player who legitimately can't put the ball in the basket if he was alone in the gym but clearly makes an impact with his defense? I guess that's why there's such a debate.

Every thread involves Frank, mind as well call him RUDY..RUDY...RUDY

The guy with the least amount of impact is the most talked about, if he has a deflection there's thread started, if he steals the ball, he's DOY candidate, if he shoots 2 fo 100, his offense will come later, if takes 2 free throws in 10 games, he doesn't get the calls, if he makes a couple of stops on Kyrie or Kemba, he's now a the best perimeter defender in the league, so what he can't shoot, thats not important now, we have enough scorers, he can end the game with a plus minus of - 20, and that gets disregarded(only when it comes to him) as a stupid stat that doesn't tell the whole story
and are willing to patient for however long it takes.

No other player on the roster gets a pass for his mistakes like frank, the ones who love him will overlook every flaw and be patient for the next 5 yrs or more

Whatever you need to tell yourself for being banned from the bandwagon

All emotion, no facts.

Agreed. Besides not liking Frank he hates the fact that fans are rooting for him which as I as fan I thought that was what we were suppose to do . However even those of us who support Frank have been very fair of his play. We all agree he needs to produce more offensively and hit those shots. Even though he went 0-6 last game i liked what i saw from his looks, they just didn't go down. Hopefully tonight and going forward they will.

I think this love he gets is important as it shows other players at the same time that Knicks aren't looking to just tear everyone down. That they can also shower players with love even if they aren't dropping 20 a night.

Don't like that Smith got booed and that was wrong. But the precedent for Knick fans are being set to what they want. Give Max effort on defense, be a constant pro and team player. If you do those things they will cheer and love you even if you shoot 0-6.

Even Smith honestly got booed because Young, Murray, Walker were both lighting him up. Now if he was balling too they probably let some of that slide. But to perform as bad was he was offensively only to get cooked while on defense is most likely why the chant for Frank and boo birds started singing.

knicks1248 wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:The love for Ntilikina and amount of threads are unreal. How can you quantify a player who legitimately can't put the ball in the basket if he was alone in the gym but clearly makes an impact with his defense? I guess that's why there's such a debate.

Every thread involves Frank, mind as well call him RUDY..RUDY...RUDY

The guy with the least amount of impact is the most talked about, if he has a deflection there's thread started, if he steals the ball, he's DOY candidate, if he shoots 2 fo 100, his offense will come later, if takes 2 free throws in 10 games, he doesn't get the calls, if he makes a couple of stops on Kyrie or Kemba, he's now a the best perimeter defender in the league, so what he can't shoot, thats not important now, we have enough scorers, he can end the game with a plus minus of - 20, and that gets disregarded(only when it comes to him) as a stupid stat that doesn't tell the whole story
and are willing to patient for however long it takes.

No other player on the roster gets a pass for his mistakes like frank, the ones who love him will overlook every flaw and be patient for the next 5 yrs or more

Whatever you need to tell yourself for being banned from the bandwagon

All emotion, no facts.

Agreed. Besides not liking Frank he hates the fact that fans are rooting for him which as I as fan I thought that was what we were suppose to do . However even those of us who support Frank have been very fair of his play. We all agree he needs to produce more offensively and hit those shots. Even though he went 0-6 last game i liked what i saw from his looks, they just didn't go down. Hopefully tonight and going forward they will.

I don't dislike frank, i don't know where you get that from, I'm just not given him every excuse in the book..

I also think we need an elite PG, something he's absolutely not,but I'm fine with him off the bench for 20 minutes

knicks1248 wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:The love for Ntilikina and amount of threads are unreal. How can you quantify a player who legitimately can't put the ball in the basket if he was alone in the gym but clearly makes an impact with his defense? I guess that's why there's such a debate.

Every thread involves Frank, mind as well call him RUDY..RUDY...RUDY

The guy with the least amount of impact is the most talked about, if he has a deflection there's thread started, if he steals the ball, he's DOY candidate, if he shoots 2 fo 100, his offense will come later, if takes 2 free throws in 10 games, he doesn't get the calls, if he makes a couple of stops on Kyrie or Kemba, he's now a the best perimeter defender in the league, so what he can't shoot, thats not important now, we have enough scorers, he can end the game with a plus minus of - 20, and that gets disregarded(only when it comes to him) as a stupid stat that doesn't tell the whole story
and are willing to patient for however long it takes.

No other player on the roster gets a pass for his mistakes like frank, the ones who love him will overlook every flaw and be patient for the next 5 yrs or more

Whatever you need to tell yourself for being banned from the bandwagon

All emotion, no facts.

Agreed. Besides not liking Frank he hates the fact that fans are rooting for him which as I as fan I thought that was what we were suppose to do . However even those of us who support Frank have been very fair of his play. We all agree he needs to produce more offensively and hit those shots. Even though he went 0-6 last game i liked what i saw from his looks, they just didn't go down. Hopefully tonight and going forward they will.

I don't dislike frank, i don't know where you get that from, I'm just not given him every excuse in the book..

I also think we need an elite PG, something he's absolutely not,but I'm fine with him off the bench for 20 minutes

Elite SG
Elite C
Elite SF
Elite PF

Elite President, Elite GM, and Elite coach. Add them too.
Phil was Elite. Larry Brown Elite. Wilkins Elite. Chaney was former COY. Melo was elite. Woodson was not elite. But he had the best season in the last like 18 years. You want elite but elite don't always carry over. CP3 WAS elite. You want guys from elite tree's. You got Fiz, but had a problem in Memphis and bad first year. Since your the rainman and indelible first impressions are your thing, you see him as tainted. You want the ideal of elite. We all do. Some are just more grounded the reality of the situation.

What is the path to an elite PG by the way? Typing it?

knicks1248 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:The love for Ntilikina and amount of threads are unreal. How can you quantify a player who legitimately can't put the ball in the basket if he was alone in the gym but clearly makes an impact with his defense? I guess that's why there's such a debate.

Every thread involves Frank, mind as well call him RUDY..RUDY...RUDY

The guy with the least amount of impact is the most talked about, if he has a deflection there's thread started, if he steals the ball, he's DOY candidate, if he shoots 2 fo 100, his offense will come later, if takes 2 free throws in 10 games, he doesn't get the calls, if he makes a couple of stops on Kyrie or Kemba, he's now a the best perimeter defender in the league, so what he can't shoot, thats not important now, we have enough scorers, he can end the game with a plus minus of - 20, and that gets disregarded(only when it comes to him) as a stupid stat that doesn't tell the whole story
and are willing to patient for however long it takes.

No other player on the roster gets a pass for his mistakes like frank, the ones who love him will overlook every flaw and be patient for the next 5 yrs or more

Whatever you need to tell yourself for being banned from the bandwagon

All emotion, no facts.

Agreed. Besides not liking Frank he hates the fact that fans are rooting for him which as I as fan I thought that was what we were suppose to do . However even those of us who support Frank have been very fair of his play. We all agree he needs to produce more offensively and hit those shots. Even though he went 0-6 last game i liked what i saw from his looks, they just didn't go down. Hopefully tonight and going forward they will.

I don't dislike frank, i don't know where you get that from, I'm just not given him every excuse in the book..

I also think we need an elite PG, something he's absolutely not,but I'm fine with him off the bench for 20 minutes

Nobody is making excuses for him. In fact most are fine with him coming off the bench.

I don't even see why Frank would need excuses.

He has outperformed Smith who is currently out. He fills a need with guards like Murray, Irving, Walker all going off on the Knicks leading to our 0-3 start. Fans want to see him get consistent mins to see if this will lead to him upping his offensive production.

Frank got his highest min total with 22mins and Knicks got their first win. Fans want to see if this trend will continue with him getting more PT. Pretty cut and dry, all else is noise for us to entertain ourselves with.

Mitch Robinson who also brings it defensively gets tons of love and patience as well. He isn't as polarizing because there aren't many who are going to criticize him for his flaws. If so, there would be debates and threads non stop on the topic.

So you're basically saying that FIZ and his coaching staff are idiots (and don't know what the hell they're doing) for benching Frank over DSJ and Payton..

Which means that frank out perform them in training camp, but was regulated to the bench

Do you really think that frank has been our best guard, or at least better then the other 2 options, and Fizdale benched him because he doesn't like him. Do you feel that frank never got a fair shot.

Franks going to get some minutes over the next few games and i want you to count how many fast breaks he initiates, how many FT's he takes, and how many times he penetrates.

I can't claim them to be idiots because I'm not arrogant enough to act like I have as much information as they have when they make their decisions. But when the games were played. Smith was clearly struggling with his game. We saw PGs get easy layups on him routinely.

If Smith and was playing well and we were winning games nobody is talking about Frank right now. Other than maybe Vmart. But we are because Smith struggled and Gs were having their way with us.

Payton was terrible in preseason leaving the door open for who should start. Since the only thing that stood out in preseason from the PGs was Frank's defense on Young. But Payton's game vs the Spurs when he came in was impactful on both sides of the ball. So he has taken the starting job by having the best overall game so far this season at the position.

The standards are pretty low, but this is what we have.

The things you stated aren't his game. Would be like me expecting Smith Jr or Payton to play defense at the level of Frank. Or expecting Mitch Robinson to have a back to basket game. The videos in the thread highlight Frank's game. Getting the ball to open bigs off the trap and PNR instead of his own drive attempts for fouls. Getting the ball up the court with a pass to his teammate who is ahead of him instead of leading the fast break himself.

Chandler wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:The love for Ntilikina and amount of threads are unreal. How can you quantify a player who legitimately can't put the ball in the basket if he was alone in the gym but clearly makes an impact with his defense? I guess that's why there's such a debate.

Every thread involves Frank, mind as well call him RUDY..RUDY...RUDY

The guy with the least amount of impact is the most talked about, if he has a deflection there's thread started, if he steals the ball, he's DOY candidate, if he shoots 2 fo 100, his offense will come later, if takes 2 free throws in 10 games, he doesn't get the calls, if he makes a couple of stops on Kyrie or Kemba, he's now a the best perimeter defender in the league, so what he can't shoot, thats not important now, we have enough scorers, he can end the game with a plus minus of - 20, and that gets disregarded(only when it comes to him) as a stupid stat that doesn't tell the whole story
and are willing to patient for however long it takes.

No other player on the roster gets a pass for his mistakes like frank, the ones who love him will overlook every flaw and be patient for the next 5 yrs or more

Whatever you need to tell yourself for being banned from the bandwagon

All emotion, no facts.

Agreed. Besides not liking Frank he hates the fact that fans are rooting for him which as I as fan I thought that was what we were suppose to do . However even those of us who support Frank have been very fair of his play. We all agree he needs to produce more offensively and hit those shots. Even though he went 0-6 last game i liked what i saw from his looks, they just didn't go down. Hopefully tonight and going forward they will.

I think this love he gets is important as it shows other players at the same time that Knicks aren't looking to just tear everyone down. That they can also shower players with love even if they aren't dropping 20 a night.

Don't like that Smith got booed and that was wrong. But the precedent for Knick fans are being set to what they want. Give Max effort on defense, be a constant pro and team player. If you do those things they will cheer and love you even if you shoot 0-6.

Even Smith honestly got booed because Young, Murray, Walker were both lighting him up. Now if he was balling too they probably let some of that slide. But to perform as bad was he was offensively only to get cooked while on defense is most likely why the chant for Frank and boo birds started singing.

Let me first say i agree re Smith and we shouldn't have booed. It's the fans' right to boo poor, selfish or unprofessional play. Having said that, the wiser course IMO is to show more class for a young player in particular

But i think the booing was deeper than poor D. He was quoted in the paper for crying about only getting 4 shots the prior game (where he went 0-4). Then when he gets the ball he backs it out for a 3 (not his strength and bricks it). That fueled boos. Now if he hit that different story

I hope the time off helps him; Perhaps he also needs to be checked for depression.

newyorknewyork wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:The love for Ntilikina and amount of threads are unreal. How can you quantify a player who legitimately can't put the ball in the basket if he was alone in the gym but clearly makes an impact with his defense? I guess that's why there's such a debate.

Every thread involves Frank, mind as well call him RUDY..RUDY...RUDY

The guy with the least amount of impact is the most talked about, if he has a deflection there's thread started, if he steals the ball, he's DOY candidate, if he shoots 2 fo 100, his offense will come later, if takes 2 free throws in 10 games, he doesn't get the calls, if he makes a couple of stops on Kyrie or Kemba, he's now a the best perimeter defender in the league, so what he can't shoot, thats not important now, we have enough scorers, he can end the game with a plus minus of - 20, and that gets disregarded(only when it comes to him) as a stupid stat that doesn't tell the whole story
and are willing to patient for however long it takes.

No other player on the roster gets a pass for his mistakes like frank, the ones who love him will overlook every flaw and be patient for the next 5 yrs or more

Whatever you need to tell yourself for being banned from the bandwagon

All emotion, no facts.

Agreed. Besides not liking Frank he hates the fact that fans are rooting for him which as I as fan I thought that was what we were suppose to do . However even those of us who support Frank have been very fair of his play. We all agree he needs to produce more offensively and hit those shots. Even though he went 0-6 last game i liked what i saw from his looks, they just didn't go down. Hopefully tonight and going forward they will.

I don't dislike frank, i don't know where you get that from, I'm just not given him every excuse in the book..

I also think we need an elite PG, something he's absolutely not,but I'm fine with him off the bench for 20 minutes

Nobody is making excuses for him. In fact most are fine with him coming off the bench.

I don't even see why Frank would need excuses.

He has outperformed Smith who is currently out. He fills a need with guards like Murray, Irving, Walker all going off on the Knicks leading to our 0-3 start. Fans want to see him get consistent mins to see if this will lead to him upping his offensive production.

Frank got his highest min total with 22mins and Knicks got their first win. Fans want to see if this trend will continue with him getting more PT. Pretty cut and dry, all else is noise for us to entertain ourselves with.

Mitch Robinson who also brings it defensively gets tons of love and patience as well. He isn't as polarizing because there aren't many who are going to criticize him for his flaws. If so, there would be debates and threads non stop on the topic.

So you're basically saying that FIZ and his coaching staff are idiots (and don't know what the hell they're doing) for benching Frank over DSJ and Payton..

Which means that frank out perform them in training camp, but was regulated to the bench

Do you really think that frank has been our best guard, or at least better then the other 2 options, and Fizdale benched him because he doesn't like him. Do you feel that frank never got a fair shot.

Franks going to get some minutes over the next few games and i want you to count how many fast breaks he initiates, how many FT's he takes, and how many times he penetrates.

I can't claim them to be idiots because I'm not arrogant enough to act like I have as much information as they have when they make their decisions. But when the games were played. Smith was clearly struggling with his game. We saw PGs get easy layups on him routinely.

If Smith and was playing well and we were winning games nobody is talking about Frank right now. Other than maybe Vmart. But we are because Smith struggled and Gs were having their way with us.

Payton was terrible in preseason leaving the door open for who should start. Since the only thing that stood out in preseason from the PGs was Frank's defense on Young. But Payton's game vs the Spurs when he came in was impactful on both sides of the ball. So he has taken the starting job by having the best overall game so far this season at the position.

The standards are pretty low, but this is what we have.

The things you stated aren't his game. Would be like me expecting Smith Jr or Payton to play defense at the level of Frank. Or expecting Mitch Robinson to have a back to basket game. The videos in the thread highlight Frank's game. Getting the ball to open bigs off the trap and PNR instead of his own drive attempts for fouls. Getting the ball up the court with a pass to his teammate who is ahead of him instead of leading the fast break himself.

Cmon on now... 83 points

knicks1248 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:The love for Ntilikina and amount of threads are unreal. How can you quantify a player who legitimately can't put the ball in the basket if he was alone in the gym but clearly makes an impact with his defense? I guess that's why there's such a debate.

Every thread involves Frank, mind as well call him RUDY..RUDY...RUDY

The guy with the least amount of impact is the most talked about, if he has a deflection there's thread started, if he steals the ball, he's DOY candidate, if he shoots 2 fo 100, his offense will come later, if takes 2 free throws in 10 games, he doesn't get the calls, if he makes a couple of stops on Kyrie or Kemba, he's now a the best perimeter defender in the league, so what he can't shoot, thats not important now, we have enough scorers, he can end the game with a plus minus of - 20, and that gets disregarded(only when it comes to him) as a stupid stat that doesn't tell the whole story
and are willing to patient for however long it takes.

No other player on the roster gets a pass for his mistakes like frank, the ones who love him will overlook every flaw and be patient for the next 5 yrs or more

Whatever you need to tell yourself for being banned from the bandwagon

All emotion, no facts.

Agreed. Besides not liking Frank he hates the fact that fans are rooting for him which as I as fan I thought that was what we were suppose to do . However even those of us who support Frank have been very fair of his play. We all agree he needs to produce more offensively and hit those shots. Even though he went 0-6 last game i liked what i saw from his looks, they just didn't go down. Hopefully tonight and going forward they will.

I don't dislike frank, i don't know where you get that from, I'm just not given him every excuse in the book..

I also think we need an elite PG, something he's absolutely not,but I'm fine with him off the bench for 20 minutes

Nobody is making excuses for him. In fact most are fine with him coming off the bench.

I don't even see why Frank would need excuses.

He has outperformed Smith who is currently out. He fills a need with guards like Murray, Irving, Walker all going off on the Knicks leading to our 0-3 start. Fans want to see him get consistent mins to see if this will lead to him upping his offensive production.

Frank got his highest min total with 22mins and Knicks got their first win. Fans want to see if this trend will continue with him getting more PT. Pretty cut and dry, all else is noise for us to entertain ourselves with.

Mitch Robinson who also brings it defensively gets tons of love and patience as well. He isn't as polarizing because there aren't many who are going to criticize him for his flaws. If so, there would be debates and threads non stop on the topic.

So you're basically saying that FIZ and his coaching staff are idiots (and don't know what the hell they're doing) for benching Frank over DSJ and Payton..

Which means that frank out perform them in training camp, but was regulated to the bench

Do you really think that frank has been our best guard, or at least better then the other 2 options, and Fizdale benched him because he doesn't like him. Do you feel that frank never got a fair shot.

Franks going to get some minutes over the next few games and i want you to count how many fast breaks he initiates, how many FT's he takes, and how many times he penetrates.

I can't claim them to be idiots because I'm not arrogant enough to act like I have as much information as they have when they make their decisions. But when the games were played. Smith was clearly struggling with his game. We saw PGs get easy layups on him routinely.

If Smith and was playing well and we were winning games nobody is talking about Frank right now. Other than maybe Vmart. But we are because Smith struggled and Gs were having their way with us.

Payton was terrible in preseason leaving the door open for who should start. Since the only thing that stood out in preseason from the PGs was Frank's defense on Young. But Payton's game vs the Spurs when he came in was impactful on both sides of the ball. So he has taken the starting job by having the best overall game so far this season at the position.

The standards are pretty low, but this is what we have.

The things you stated aren't his game. Would be like me expecting Smith Jr or Payton to play defense at the level of Frank. Or expecting Mitch Robinson to have a back to basket game. The videos in the thread highlight Frank's game. Getting the ball to open bigs off the trap and PNR instead of his own drive attempts for fouls. Getting the ball up the court with a pass to his teammate who is ahead of him instead of leading the fast break himself.

In 29 minutes, no fast breaks, no layups, 8 wide open jump shots 3-8, no free throws.

Cmon on now... 83 points

Knicks shot 7-31 from 3 missing a ton of open 3 threes as a team. Magic missed a lot early then got hot at the right time and got all the loose ball late.

Frank didn’t have any layups or fts. I also can’t remember any of the Magic pgs getting layups or breaking down our defense leading to open shots for their teammates, or leading fast breaks, or getting to the line applying pressure on the Knicks. Haven seen much of that in his 51mins so far this season.

Would have preferred during that late stretch Fiz put the ball in Franks hands over having him stand in the corner letting Morris run the show. To see if he can offer some FIBA Frank or at least maybe work the pick.

newyorknewyork wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:The love for Ntilikina and amount of threads are unreal. How can you quantify a player who legitimately can't put the ball in the basket if he was alone in the gym but clearly makes an impact with his defense? I guess that's why there's such a debate.

Every thread involves Frank, mind as well call him RUDY..RUDY...RUDY

The guy with the least amount of impact is the most talked about, if he has a deflection there's thread started, if he steals the ball, he's DOY candidate, if he shoots 2 fo 100, his offense will come later, if takes 2 free throws in 10 games, he doesn't get the calls, if he makes a couple of stops on Kyrie or Kemba, he's now a the best perimeter defender in the league, so what he can't shoot, thats not important now, we have enough scorers, he can end the game with a plus minus of - 20, and that gets disregarded(only when it comes to him) as a stupid stat that doesn't tell the whole story
and are willing to patient for however long it takes.

No other player on the roster gets a pass for his mistakes like frank, the ones who love him will overlook every flaw and be patient for the next 5 yrs or more

Whatever you need to tell yourself for being banned from the bandwagon

All emotion, no facts.

Agreed. Besides not liking Frank he hates the fact that fans are rooting for him which as I as fan I thought that was what we were suppose to do . However even those of us who support Frank have been very fair of his play. We all agree he needs to produce more offensively and hit those shots. Even though he went 0-6 last game i liked what i saw from his looks, they just didn't go down. Hopefully tonight and going forward they will.

I don't dislike frank, i don't know where you get that from, I'm just not given him every excuse in the book..

I also think we need an elite PG, something he's absolutely not,but I'm fine with him off the bench for 20 minutes

Nobody is making excuses for him. In fact most are fine with him coming off the bench.

I don't even see why Frank would need excuses.

He has outperformed Smith who is currently out. He fills a need with guards like Murray, Irving, Walker all going off on the Knicks leading to our 0-3 start. Fans want to see him get consistent mins to see if this will lead to him upping his offensive production.

Frank got his highest min total with 22mins and Knicks got their first win. Fans want to see if this trend will continue with him getting more PT. Pretty cut and dry, all else is noise for us to entertain ourselves with.

Mitch Robinson who also brings it defensively gets tons of love and patience as well. He isn't as polarizing because there aren't many who are going to criticize him for his flaws. If so, there would be debates and threads non stop on the topic.

So you're basically saying that FIZ and his coaching staff are idiots (and don't know what the hell they're doing) for benching Frank over DSJ and Payton..

Which means that frank out perform them in training camp, but was regulated to the bench

Do you really think that frank has been our best guard, or at least better then the other 2 options, and Fizdale benched him because he doesn't like him. Do you feel that frank never got a fair shot.

Franks going to get some minutes over the next few games and i want you to count how many fast breaks he initiates, how many FT's he takes, and how many times he penetrates.

I can't claim them to be idiots because I'm not arrogant enough to act like I have as much information as they have when they make their decisions. But when the games were played. Smith was clearly struggling with his game. We saw PGs get easy layups on him routinely.

If Smith and was playing well and we were winning games nobody is talking about Frank right now. Other than maybe Vmart. But we are because Smith struggled and Gs were having their way with us.

Payton was terrible in preseason leaving the door open for who should start. Since the only thing that stood out in preseason from the PGs was Frank's defense on Young. But Payton's game vs the Spurs when he came in was impactful on both sides of the ball. So he has taken the starting job by having the best overall game so far this season at the position.

The standards are pretty low, but this is what we have.

The things you stated aren't his game. Would be like me expecting Smith Jr or Payton to play defense at the level of Frank. Or expecting Mitch Robinson to have a back to basket game. The videos in the thread highlight Frank's game. Getting the ball to open bigs off the trap and PNR instead of his own drive attempts for fouls. Getting the ball up the court with a pass to his teammate who is ahead of him instead of leading the fast break himself.

In 29 minutes, no fast breaks, no layups, 8 wide open jump shots 3-8, no free throws.

Cmon on now... 83 points

Knicks shot 7-31 from 3 missing a ton of open 3 threes as a team. Magic missed a lot early then got hot at the right time and got all the loose ball late.

Frank didn’t have any layups or fts. I also can’t remember any of the Magic pgs getting layups or breaking down our defense leading to open shots for their teammates, or leading fast breaks, or getting to the line applying pressure on the Knicks. Haven seen much of that in his 51mins so far this season.

Would have preferred during that late stretch Fiz put the ball in Franks hands over having him stand in the corner letting Morris run the show. To see if he can offer some FIBA Frank or at least maybe work the pick.

Agreed. At present, that's just telling Magic they can have 5 to defend our 4. Was very puzzling