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fwk00
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10/27/2019  4:35 PM
1.) Enough is enough

Fans have a right to be frustrated. This simply can't be yet another pointless exercise in wishful thinking. Fans have a right to expect winning basketball to be played.

2.) This is no longer a team that is rebuilding. It is rebuilt. That doesn't mean its perfect and that doesn't mean its not constantly looking to improve but it needs to turn a corner to respectability this year. The days of dreaming about tanking to some over-the-horizon paradise are over.

3.) The coaching staff needs to win with the team they have and not with the imagined fantasy team they don't have.

4.) The team we do have is not a traditional basketball team. There are no superstars or "premiere" players. Get over it.

5.) No "premiere" player is going to show up and make it all better.

6.) We have three fine young, incomplete and developing PGs who all all worthy of playing assuming they are healthy and on their game. The MSM needs to recognize this sooner than later.

7.) There is no excuse for bad coaching at these prices and at this volume. Talk to each other.

8.) When in doubt start with item #1.

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arkrud
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10/27/2019  9:19 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/27/2019  9:22 PM
fwk00 wrote:1.) Enough is enough (misconception)

Fans have a right to be frustrated (correct). This simply can't be yet another pointless exercise in wishful thinking (correct). Fans have a right to expect winning basketball to be played (correct)

2.) This is no longer a team that is rebuilding (misconception) . It is rebuilt (misconception) . That doesn't mean its perfect and that doesn't mean its not constantly looking to improve but it needs to turn a corner to respectability this year (misconception) . The days of dreaming about tanking to some over-the-horizon paradise are over (correct).

3.) The coaching staff needs to win with the team they have and not with the imagined fantasy team they don't have (correctbut they cannot win this team row material).

4.) The team we do have is not a traditional basketball team (misconception) . There are no superstars or "premiere" players (correct on this team but there are plenty in NBA). Get over it (correct).

5.) No "premiere" player is going to show up and make it all better (correct we do not have one).

6.) We have three fine young, incomplete and developing PGs who all all worthy of playing assuming they are healthy and on their game (misconception) . The MSM needs to recognize this sooner than later (yes.. recognize that this is misconception but I think they already did).

7.) There is no excuse for bad coaching at these prices and at this volume (at any price and any volume.. but what is good or bad?). Talk to each other (correct).

8.) When in doubt start with item #1 misconception .

But main thing is don't get high and post..

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
Uptown
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10/27/2019  9:28 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/27/2019  9:40 PM
fwk00 wrote:1.) Enough is enough

Fans have a right to be frustrated. This simply can't be yet another pointless exercise in wishful thinking. Fans have a right to expect winning basketball to be played.

2.) This is no longer a team that is rebuilding. It is rebuilt. That doesn't mean its perfect and that doesn't mean its not constantly looking to improve but it needs to turn a corner to respectability this year. The days of dreaming about tanking to some over-the-horizon paradise are over.

3.) The coaching staff needs to win with the team they have and not with the imagined fantasy team they don't have.

4.) The team we do have is not a traditional basketball team. There are no superstars or "premiere" players. Get over it.

5.) No "premiere" player is going to show up and make it all better.

6.) We have three fine young, incomplete and developing PGs who all all worthy of playing assuming they are healthy and on their game. The MSM needs to recognize this sooner than later.

7.) There is no excuse for bad coaching at these prices and at this volume. Talk to each other.

8.) When in doubt start with item #1.

You couldn't be more wrong!!! How is the team rebuilt when almost half the team is on 1 year contracts? Clearly, your blind to the long term objectives but why let facts get in the way of a good rant.

fwk00
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10/27/2019  11:06 PM
I think many of you have forgotten that the long term goal in 1975 or so was to win another ring. Few teams in NBA history have pursued longer goals. With the hiring of Phil, we transitioned from attempting to buy ourselves into a ring to attempting to build our way into a ring.

Last year was a housecleaning and the drafting of our second unicorn [Frankie being the holdover from Phil]. Last year's housecleaning resulted in a re-imagining of free agency due to circumstances beyond management's control.

While everyone anticipated a different rebuild, what we got was a more pragmatic model with a longer runway to the goal.

The team has not been deeper in young talent for decades and there is virtually no cruft on a three deep roster at every position. Its a fully realized rebuild.

Now you can argue you don't think much of it or that you would have done it differently. But it was thoughtful, deliberate, and has a visionary trajectory [hard-nosed, underdog BB].

The execution of free agency indicates that management has learned some lessons about contracts and expectations. Shorter contracts will yield stronger results and are more portable in trades. Recalibrating the roster on the fly is a feature.

*Hopefully* last year's tanking experience has taught them not to do that again.

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10/28/2019  6:46 AM
The math of the Tank could not have expected Zion with just a 14.5% chance of landing the top pick. You use it to play the youth and audition others like Mudiay. We stripped the contracts of Hardaway and Lee too in the regrettable instance that was KP. IT seemed like Fans were shocked and angered by the math of the lottery and the Media used it to insight anger as if knicks were negligent to know how it worked. Facts were were were guaranteed a top 5 pick.
Oddsmakers and predictions have the team winning 25-27 games this season. Seems to me if your a fan and ignore all these facts then its self induced. Rainman thinks this team has the tallent to win 44 games and if not everyone should be fired. Thats his own baseline. That happens Fiz is candidate for coach of the year and no doubt something wonderful would be occurring with the roster.
I have long ago stopped calling espn or others “Haters” for predicting what usually was an accurate assessment.
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