I really want to know. I am not criticizing Fizdale here. I just want to know the mindset behind all of this.

Allanfan20 wrote:With RJ as the PG. The guy we got for one of the potentially best players in the league is now our 3rd PG and the one single guy who had a proven and productive Summer is the 4th PG.

I really want to know. I am not criticizing Fizdale here. I just want to know the mindset behind all of this.

I really hope Fiz has an account here because he might be the only one capable of finding logic to that situation.

Honestly

Allanfan20 wrote:With RJ as the PG. The guy we got for one of the potentially best players in the league is now our 3rd PG and the one single guy who had a proven and productive Summer is the 4th PG.

I really want to know. I am not criticizing Fizdale here. I just want to know the mindset behind all of this.

Kemet wrote:Mavs coach Carlisle gave DSJ several plays to run for teammates to score.
Pelicans coach Gentry & PG-Jrue gave certain plays to Payton to run for teammates to score.
The French FIBA coach gave Frank a few plays to run for teammates to score.
How many coaches design or set plays did our rookie RJ run for teammates to score? NONE in two games.
Fizdale hasn't wrote up a offensive play for any of the Knicks PG since being hired as the Knicks head coach !!!
Fizdale has become a PUPPET headcoach for the Mills/Perry show !!!

This. I could accept the chaos last year. New coach, young players...it irritated me, but I figured coach was developing along with our players. Now we have solid-not necessarily good-professional Leaguers who know how to execute. The losses don't bother, it's the lack of execution. Yeah, I know positions have become fluid, but you still need to have an identity. It's only two games, so I'm not trying to be upset. But our "system" looks no different from the crap I had to sit though last season. The fact that it was the Nets we lost ain't helping either.

We are paying Ellington and Bullock the same thing Lee was making. Hardaway was and is moveable. Honestly Lee and Hardaway fit better than Morris and Portis. We literally have no shooting and are playing three PF at any given time. I’ve never seen anything so stupid. Much like rushing to amnesty Noah when you could have kept him and if you had free agents waiting than you make the move. Instead we signed veterans and have his $6MM stretched instead of expiring this year.

That’s the thing with this team. We rushed a trade with KP, and got back nothing, those picks are not going to be as valuable as people think. We rushed to use all our cap space. I would much rather have Iggy playing the SF right now and helping Knox with a draft pick in hand.4

Doesn’t seem to ever be a plan here.

Bring a bunch of veterans that don’t fit, miss the playoffs take minutes away from young guys and sell Giannis free agency? That’s not a plan.

fwk00 wrote:My observations for what they're worth are these.

DSJ is either injured or has chronic back issues. Fiz, instead of seeing the writing on the wall, is trying to put lipstick on the situation. It has not ended well two games in a row. Blame will be deflected to the foibles of Elfrid and Frank the PG pinatas.

Fiz will ride DSJ until he breaks down - maybe the only acceptable justification for being traded for Porky.

nykshaknbake wrote:

MS wrote:Hysterical we dumped two of the worst contracts in sports. You mean the ones that are expiring this offseason?

We are paying Ellington and Bullock the same thing Lee was making. Hardaway was and is moveable. Honestly Lee and Hardaway fit better than Morris and Portis. We literally have no shooting and are playing three PF at any given time. I’ve never seen anything so stupid. Much like rushing to amnesty Noah when you could have kept him and if you had free agents waiting than you make the move. Instead we signed veterans and have his $6MM stretched instead of expiring this year.

That’s the thing with this team. We rushed a trade with KP, and got back nothing, those picks are not going to be as valuable as people think. We rushed to use all our cap space. I would much rather have Iggy playing the SF right now and helping Knox with a draft pick in hand.4

Doesn’t seem to ever be a plan here.

Bring a bunch of veterans that don’t fit, miss the playoffs take minutes away from young guys and sell Giannis free agency? That’s not a plan.

I think there are well established reasons these things happened. The contracts were moved to clear cap space to have a run at the Kawhai, Durant, Kyrie level free agents. The pitch was come here build a superteam with some intriguing young players(high draft pick, Mitch, at the time DSJ, Frank)as support. It was a gamble that didn't pan out, but it was a reasonable move. Shitting on it like it was done for no reason hurts your argument. KP basically threatened to go back to Europe and not play the year for us. If that news had got out we would have received even less considering his injury concerns. We did not rush to use our cap space. I'm sure you've noticed that they are(except Randle) all 1 year deals so that most of the cap space will be available when its relevant again.

Things are definitely a bit of a mess now. Unfortunately it seems we don't have an NBA calibur point guard on the roster. I'm sure the plan was for DSJ or Frank to take the next step which they are both probably incapable of doing.

Good post!

Vmart wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:

MS wrote:Hysterical we dumped two of the worst contracts in sports. You mean the ones that are expiring this offseason?

We are paying Ellington and Bullock the same thing Lee was making. Hardaway was and is moveable. Honestly Lee and Hardaway fit better than Morris and Portis. We literally have no shooting and are playing three PF at any given time. I’ve never seen anything so stupid. Much like rushing to amnesty Noah when you could have kept him and if you had free agents waiting than you make the move. Instead we signed veterans and have his $6MM stretched instead of expiring this year.

That’s the thing with this team. We rushed a trade with KP, and got back nothing, those picks are not going to be as valuable as people think. We rushed to use all our cap space. I would much rather have Iggy playing the SF right now and helping Knox with a draft pick in hand.4

Doesn’t seem to ever be a plan here.

Bring a bunch of veterans that don’t fit, miss the playoffs take minutes away from young guys and sell Giannis free agency? That’s not a plan.

I think there are well established reasons these things happened. The contracts were moved to clear cap space to have a run at the Kawhai, Durant, Kyrie level free agents. The pitch was come here build a superteam with some intriguing young players(high draft pick, Mitch, at the time DSJ, Frank)as support. It was a gamble that didn't pan out, but it was a reasonable move. Shitting on it like it was done for no reason hurts your argument. KP basically threatened to go back to Europe and not play the year for us. If that news had got out we would have received even less considering his injury concerns. We did not rush to use our cap space. I'm sure you've noticed that they are(except Randle) all 1 year deals so that most of the cap space will be available when its relevant again.

Things are definitely a bit of a mess now. Unfortunately it seems we don't have an NBA calibur point guard on the roster. I'm sure the plan was for DSJ or Frank to take the next step which they are both probably incapable of doing.

Why do fan know better than NYK management I have been saying for years that NYK is not a destination top tier free agents covet. Why is it that management of the Knicks don’t know this. They will do stupid thing like hire Fizdale not because he is a good coach but because he knows or has an in with top tier free agents. They will make comments like free agents will come because their front office is African-American. This is how an organization functions I find it ridiculous how these guys come to decisions that has Millions of dollars at stake.

I mean creating space for what they picked up when you could have just not made any moves. This team looks a whole lot better with KP, Barrett, Hardaway, Ntlikina, Robinson, Knox we have a lot of stupid moves made. That is why I feel Perry, Mills and Fizdale need to be fired ASAP.

There were better moves out there. I don’t care what information this clown car released, regarding KP. Let’s remember Stay Woke. Misinformation and stupidity are the hallmark of this franchise. When you strike out in free agency and you publicly issue a statement you didn’t want to give Durant the max to save face? There is a pattern here and it’s been going on for two decades!

I think Fizz is trying to start (or at least give most minutes) to the 5 he thinks are playing best -- regardless of position

it's not necessarily what i would do but there is some logic to it. Bucks, Clips, Rockets and Lakers (at a minimum) are not running offense through a pg. You can add GS to a degree with Draymond. There is no rule that requires a pg. Issue is our pas are not putting any consistent pressure on the defense. Take a look at Bucks, Rockets etc. Giannis and Harden demand double teams (or you pay). Then the rest of the guys are playing 4 on 3.

We are far from that situation, I realize, but I'm not ready to kill Fizz over the tactic. I think the issue is he is still way too ISO and has way too many mistakes (e.g., you have to attack Kyrie all game long, not just when he has 5 fouls -- tire him out, foul trouble etc.)

He also needs to stop talking so much and stop trying to appease everyone

I have very little hope for him as a coach but since I'm a fan will root for him and the team

HofstraBBall wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:

Vmart wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:

MS wrote:Hysterical we dumped two of the worst contracts in sports. You mean the ones that are expiring this offseason?

We are paying Ellington and Bullock the same thing Lee was making. Hardaway was and is moveable. Honestly Lee and Hardaway fit better than Morris and Portis. We literally have no shooting and are playing three PF at any given time. I’ve never seen anything so stupid. Much like rushing to amnesty Noah when you could have kept him and if you had free agents waiting than you make the move. Instead we signed veterans and have his $6MM stretched instead of expiring this year.

That’s the thing with this team. We rushed a trade with KP, and got back nothing, those picks are not going to be as valuable as people think. We rushed to use all our cap space. I would much rather have Iggy playing the SF right now and helping Knox with a draft pick in hand.4

Doesn’t seem to ever be a plan here.

Bring a bunch of veterans that don’t fit, miss the playoffs take minutes away from young guys and sell Giannis free agency? That’s not a plan.

I think there are well established reasons these things happened. The contracts were moved to clear cap space to have a run at the Kawhai, Durant, Kyrie level free agents. The pitch was come here build a superteam with some intriguing young players(high draft pick, Mitch, at the time DSJ, Frank)as support. It was a gamble that didn't pan out, but it was a reasonable move. Shitting on it like it was done for no reason hurts your argument. KP basically threatened to go back to Europe and not play the year for us. If that news had got out we would have received even less considering his injury concerns. We did not rush to use our cap space. I'm sure you've noticed that they are(except Randle) all 1 year deals so that most of the cap space will be available when its relevant again.

Things are definitely a bit of a mess now. Unfortunately it seems we don't have an NBA calibur point guard on the roster. I'm sure the plan was for DSJ or Frank to take the next step which they are both probably incapable of doing.

Why do fan know better than NYK management I have been saying for years that NYK is not a destination top tier free agents covet. Why is it that management of the Knicks don’t know this. They will do stupid thing like hire Fizdale not because he is a good coach but because he knows or has an in with top tier free agents. They will make comments like free agents will come because their front office is African-American. This is how an organization functions I find it ridiculous how these guys come to decisions that has Millions of dollars at stake.

I mean creating space for what they picked up when you could have just not made any moves. This team looks a whole lot better with KP, Barrett, Hardaway, Ntlikina, Robinson, Knox we have a lot of stupid moves made. That is why I feel Perry, Mills and Fizdale need to be fired ASAP.

KP said he wouldn't play here, he'd goto Europe. But lets say for argument sake you are actually his brother posting right here on UK; and MS is his mother! So obviously you guys would be in the know. KP takes the QO. At that point he can dictate what team he wants to goto in a trade and his trade value plummets to probably a second rounder and a bad contract because we have no leverage and he's cominig off a season of no play and injury. KP either gets traded then for that or goes on to be a FA. So somehow taking a small risk and clearing cap space to potentially getting a pair of superstars is unacceptable risk, but letting our own star likely walk for nothing is a no brainer. If you don't think you can sign or retain FAs ever you might as well move the team or dissolve it. But that's basically an unfounded assumption. If you are going to kill Perry and praise his players, you also have to give him credit for Barrett, Knox and Robinson too.

Failure in any relationship is not waiting to analyze what went wrong as they are walking out the door. But rather to analyze what your doing wrong and working on it before they even think about walking out.

If the Knicks knew there were issues (Obvious) and they thought KP was our franchise player they would have swallowed their pride and worked things out. Good organizations have the IQ and ability to do so. It is what it is. As I have said many times before, until we get REAL basketball guys in the FO, it will never change.