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diderotn
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9/29/2004  12:26 PM
We have about five PFs on our roster right now, and we only need 3. Kandi is a Center, and that is our weakest position at the moment. I know that this cat is not all he is cracked up to be, but he is still young and can still learn how to play Center. He was once a great prospect and I do believe our coaching staff can help this kid out. The only think I don't like about him is his court demeanor, he never appears like he cares. We already have enough of those guys on our squad, i.e.: Houston, Marb, etc ,but we can use his length. I know that Isiah is considering this deal, in fact we don't even need to have Zserbiak included in that deal. Kurt and Kandi can actually be traded straight up.
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9/29/2004  12:31 PM
i don't know where you have read that Isiah is considering this deal...was there ever an offer from Minnesota for him to mull over to begin with? if Kevin McHale would make that trade, i do it in a heartbeat, if only to clear some of the glut at PF & give Sweetney & JYD more minutes in the rotation.
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9/29/2004  12:46 PM
I don't think that was reported but it's more of thing where you have to assume that this one of the things he's lookied at. Based on the salaries and also based on our needs it would make sense for us at the moment. Will it make sense for the Wolves, that's another story. But for us it wouldn't be bad. This way Mohammad, Baker and Khandi could compete for minutes at the 5 spot. If Khandi pulls what he's been pulling in the past and show no passion....he's riding the pine. If he "decides" to play some ball so be it. But opening up rrom for Sweets and JYD would be a great idea. Plus, we haven't had a glut at center in a long time. I'd welcome that type of competition at that position.
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9/29/2004  12:47 PM
kandi looks like Rashweed.
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9/29/2004  12:52 PM
It was once suggested in hoopshype rumors that the Knicks were probably involved in a deal that would have sent Kidd to Minesota with Zserbiak and Kandi part of that deal. I don't remember when it was posted, but the rumors were out there.
Posted by TMS:

i don't know where you have read that Isiah is considering this deal...was there ever an offer from Minnesota for him to mull over to begin with? if Kevin McHale would make that trade, i do it in a heartbeat, if only to clear some of the glut at PF & give Sweetney & JYD more minutes in the rotation.
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9/29/2004  12:55 PM
Posted by diderotn:

It was once suggested in hoopshype rumors that the Knicks were probably involved in a deal that would have sent Kidd to Minesota with Zserbiak and Kandi part of that deal. I don't remember when it was posted, but the rumors were out there.
Posted by TMS:

i don't know where you have read that Isiah is considering this deal...was there ever an offer from Minnesota for him to mull over to begin with? if Kevin McHale would make that trade, i do it in a heartbeat, if only to clear some of the glut at PF & give Sweetney & JYD more minutes in the rotation.

I think Zeke would take whatever he could get for Kurt right now, as long as got a decent big back and maybe a pick. I would've liked to get Calvin Booth from the Sonics, before they got Fortson for him. Maybe the Knicks can offer Kurt for Booth? We have to be realistic about trades for Kurt.

Also, with Kurt's 15% trade kicker, the Kandiman and he don't match up salary-wise.
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9/29/2004  1:03 PM
Hey it is worth a try.
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9/29/2004  1:03 PM
The TWolves need a center just as badly as we do....actually they probably need it more. I can't see them trading Kandi for KT. I don't think Isiah will trade KT until after the season has started either. His injury dropped his stock, and a good start to the season could boost his value.
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9/29/2004  1:08 PM
good point Andrew, but a good start by KT will also have some Knicks fans here thinking they should hold out for a top 5 pick & expiring contracts to boot.
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9/29/2004  1:10 PM
Here is why the Wolves would do this move, they need someone to backup KG. Right at this minute, they have no one to back him up. Kurt could at least give them the option to rest Garnett. Next season, the West will be a little smaller minus Shaq. They already have Johnson as a starter. If Isiah uses his creativity, he can actually trade Sundov and Kurt to the Wolves. Wheter or not that would make sence, I don't know.

Posted by Andrew:

The TWolves need a center just as badly as we do....actually they probably need it more. I can't see them trading Kandi for KT. I don't think Isiah will trade KT until after the season has started either. His injury dropped his stock, and a good start to the season could boost his value.
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9/29/2004  1:12 PM
This trade is stupid

You people are real idots, that don't appreciate what Thomas brings. He was injured last season so his production dropped. We have a team that is built for a Kurt Thomas at center. How many good centers are out there? 5 maybe.

Kurt rebounds much more aggressively than Kandi, has a better turn around jumper and is a better defender. Kandi looked poised for a breakout that never came, he is an unmotivated pot smoking underachieving center.

That says he does have potential but so do the bulls big men but they never realize it because they don't work hard...Kandi is not going to overpower anyone and had he got his head on straight he would be playing at 8-10 million a year instead of 4.5. It says a lot about a player when they can't even put up #'s for money

He looked lost the entire time he was out there, he was out of shape, poor conditioned which had something to do with his injury, but he still should have been practicing his jumper, his jump hook, and drop step, each of which have been non-existant
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9/29/2004  1:20 PM
MS! You sound more like an idiot to me for failing to realize the reason why Kurt must go. No one is arguing the qualities that he can bring, but those qualities are not design for the curent Knick roster. As for you criticizing Kandi's game, again you have showed how ignorant you are about basketball for not realizing that when you have Knee surgery, the first that goes is: balance. For a big man, it is even harder, specially when your game is mainly on the post. Kandi was never a great shooter to begin with. My man CWebb had basically the same injury, he was also a much better athlete and shooter, but he too struggled when he came back from that injury.

before you go out and call people name, please check your facts first.


This trade is stupid
You people are real idots, that don't appreciate what Thomas brings. He was injured last season so his production dropped. We have a team that is built for a Kurt Thomas at center. How many good centers are out there? 5 maybe.

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9/29/2004  1:27 PM
I posted in another thread that KT can have a lot of value and be a solid part of this team. The issue is addition by subtraction. Sweetney has an upside KT cant touch. If moving KT accelerates Sweetney's development or just clears minutes because Sweetney is already better than KT, then you win.. thus the KT for a bag of balls trade scenarios.

Here is the thing:
KT is a solid player. He plays hard every minute he's on the floor. He works on improving. He comes in every year prepared for whatever is asked of him. Last year he was going back to PF. He can into camp 15 pounds lighter and noticable quicker. He's not the smartest player but he's got some nice things he brings.

The problem is simple... KT doesnt bring anything we cant already get from someone else on the roster, AND he plays the same position as our best prospect poised for a breakout season. I think Isiah signed him because he wanted to send the message that if you play hard for the Knicks your going to get paid. I also think he saw KT as an affordable saftey net, incase Sweetney didnt pan out, or someone like Baker wasnt available. As it is now I think KT has to go. I like the Booth idea.
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9/29/2004  1:32 PM
The reason I don't like the Booth Idea is because we must look for a big man with at least a low-post presence. Although Kandi is not great, but he can at least play in the low-post. I know one thing, with the history of our team, it is a motivation enough to get a big man to try his best to play well. Besides we have one of the most criticant 12th man in the game in our fans.
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9/29/2004  1:36 PM
Posted by diderotn:

The reason I don't like the Booth Idea is because we must look for a big man with at least a low-post presence. Although Kandi is not great, but he can at least play in the low-post. I know one thing, with the history of our team, it is a motivation enough to get a big man to try his best to play well. Besides we have one of the most criticant 12th man in the game in our fans.
Booth is a solid shotblocker, and as far as back to the basket play thats what your looking to Sweetney for. Also Nazr has spent the summer working w/ Aguire. Shot blocking is something we have none of. Booth would be a good bench player against some of the non-offensive type centers in the league (most of them)
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9/29/2004  1:40 PM
I see it like this, Isiah and his staff will try their best to get us right this season. Fear nothing fans, but look for Kurt, Anderson, and Moochie to be out of N.Y.
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9/29/2004  1:59 PM
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Ok nice trade by Isiah in the first place, we are still paying Amechi, and now have Norris, so Isiah doesn't always get it right and is enamoured with making moves thats why he almost sent Kurt to the Spurs for Rose....and he has to buy out anderson in order to get rid of him.

The Kandi man is not a very good player but he is servicable, and i think its stupid to assume he is going to give you anything more than Kurt whose trade value is too low right now, they need to hang onto him and try to get a better player in return or depending on sweetneys maturity trade him for picks and a bigger role player. Kandit could turn out to be a good player or he could turn into dead weight.

But if he is healthy and returns to form the twolves are not going to move him.
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9/29/2004  2:30 PM
"but those qualities are not design for the curent Knick roster."


the only qualities Kurt brings to a team is mediocrity. 14pts, 8rebs on terrible teams
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9/29/2004  2:31 PM
That is why it is in our best advantage to try to do this trade now. If Kandi has a good year this coming season, there is a good chance that he will command a big pay check from another team. Remember, he has something that can't be teach, he is 7' tall and that is an asset in this league.
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9/29/2004  2:40 PM
As well as that other qualities you can't teach sluggishness, and procrastination
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