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Nalod
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9/30/2019  1:55 PM
KP now a Mav. As fans we have little to go on as to the truth of what happened.
We got wind he was being accused of a inappropriate sex situation in a civil matter (not criminal).
He never was under Fiz, but quick to point out when Fiz said he never saw him doing sprints, but he posted immaturely video of him on a track.
Did he really ever want to be here and wanted out? Was it money? Hornacek was not happy with him. OK, we got a new coach.
He want the money then play? Did knicks Tire of his antics?
What are the other issues?
Does Cuban going all in for him validate he is a solid dude?
Did any top tier free agents repel from signing here if he was here? (not that any did).
Phil wanted him gone. Certainly not just because he skipped a meeting?
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9/30/2019  2:09 PM
it's rare that a top pick like KP gets traded so soon.

I think you have to believe our front office when they say they were worried about him wanting to be here.

It's too bad, but while he showed flashes of franchise talent, he also couldn't stay on the court.

Maybe that changes with him physically maturing, but between the ears and the heart - has that matured any?

Maybe we can applaud an athlete that wanted to win more than staying with the same franchise, but I think it's fair to say he didn't really give this team a chance to put talent around him.

It would be interested to look at the team we could have had, had he stayed. I don't know how many players we added would have fit.

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9/30/2019  2:14 PM
I just listened to him and Doncic down here in Dallas. Goal is playoffs live video games excited to get back on the floor. Hard work at time he couldn’t see the finish line but now he feels his hard work is going to payoff.
Nalod
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9/30/2019  2:33 PM
Vmart wrote:I just listened to him and Doncic down here in Dallas. Goal is playoffs live video games excited to get back on the floor. Hard work at time he couldn’t see the finish line but now he feels his hard work is going to payoff.

KP usually said all the right things regarding his work ethic and what ever. His potential is huge. Take away the garbage he had great instincts and feel for the game but like many young players was inconsistent. The putback dunks were works of art. The very type of play that hurt him. He really did go all out on the court. Problem was staying on the court and stamina. I hate for him to succeed as hoped in a mav's uniform unless the Knicks do well themselves. Time line might not correspond for us as we do have two first round picks coming in the future. Media will spin it ugly.

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9/30/2019  2:39 PM
Nalod wrote:
Vmart wrote:I just listened to him and Doncic down here in Dallas. Goal is playoffs live video games excited to get back on the floor. Hard work at time he couldn’t see the finish line but now he feels his hard work is going to payoff.

KP usually said all the right things regarding his work ethic and what ever. His potential is huge. Take away the garbage he had great instincts and feel for the game but like many young players was inconsistent. The putback dunks were works of art. The very type of play that hurt him. He really did go all out on the court. Problem was staying on the court and stamina. I hate for him to succeed as hoped in a mav's uniform unless the Knicks do well themselves. Time line might not correspond for us as we do have two first round picks coming in the future. Media will spin it ugly.

The media here throws cupcake questions. They don’t get into it like in NY. The media here is a bunch of homers. Besides the Mavs are so down the totem pole here in Dallas it’s Cowboys 12 months of the season.

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10/1/2019  8:27 AM
It’s possible the Knicks realized that a guy who’s best move is an 18 foot jump shot may not be efficient to be a max player in this league. They could not take the risk of his failure while burdened by that contract. Dallas is in a better position to assume that risk, given the upside. So, they punted. 4th and 8 on your own 40 in the 2nd quarter. Not every punt is wrong.
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10/1/2019  8:41 AM
EwingsGlass wrote:It’s possible the Knicks realized that a guy who’s best move is an 18 foot jump shot may not be efficient to be a max player in this league. They could not take the risk of his failure while burdened by that contract. Dallas is in a better position to assume that risk, given the upside. So, they punted. 4th and 8 on your own 40 in the 2nd quarter. Not every punt is wrong.

I agree with this position. He had yet to show a full season without breaking or fatigue. Was reported he had some form of mile anemia but controllable. At 23-24 this might be the best version of him. The talent is there. Its the other things. We’ll see. I’m preparing for some pain from his departure. Long term? Knicks success can be the only antidote.

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10/1/2019  9:46 AM
Nalod wrote:
Vmart wrote:I just listened to him and Doncic down here in Dallas. Goal is playoffs live video games excited to get back on the floor. Hard work at time he couldn’t see the finish line but now he feels his hard work is going to payoff.

KP usually said all the right things regarding his work ethic and what ever. His potential is huge. Take away the garbage he had great instincts and feel for the game but like many young players was inconsistent. The putback dunks were works of art. The very type of play that hurt him. He really did go all out on the court. Problem was staying on the court and stamina. I hate for him to succeed as hoped in a mav's uniform unless the Knicks do well themselves. Time line might not correspond for us as we do have two first round picks coming in the future. Media will spin it ugly.

Like so many disingenuous NBA players, Darko Porzingis had the perfunctory public relations rap well memorized and sold it like a Democratic presidential candidate selling free beer.

The problem with Darko is that he did have talent and may still have talent but HE CAN"T BE TRUSTED. HE and his money-grubbing kin have an agenda that eclipses everybody and everything else. He is, for lack of a more perfect comparison, MELO deux.

The alleged rape incident is beyond bizarre. He may be the first NBA player in NY history that couldn't get laid in NYC - I mean, c'mon, nobody misses this guy.

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10/2/2019  9:46 AM
fwk00 wrote:
Nalod wrote:
Vmart wrote:I just listened to him and Doncic down here in Dallas. Goal is playoffs live video games excited to get back on the floor. Hard work at time he couldn’t see the finish line but now he feels his hard work is going to payoff.

KP usually said all the right things regarding his work ethic and what ever. His potential is huge. Take away the garbage he had great instincts and feel for the game but like many young players was inconsistent. The putback dunks were works of art. The very type of play that hurt him. He really did go all out on the court. Problem was staying on the court and stamina. I hate for him to succeed as hoped in a mav's uniform unless the Knicks do well themselves. Time line might not correspond for us as we do have two first round picks coming in the future. Media will spin it ugly.

Like so many disingenuous NBA players, Darko Porzingis had the perfunctory public relations rap well memorized and sold it like a Democratic presidential candidate selling free beer.

The problem with Darko is that he did have talent and may still have talent but HE CAN"T BE TRUSTED. HE and his money-grubbing kin have an agenda that eclipses everybody and everything else. He is, for lack of a more perfect comparison, MELO deux.

The alleged rape incident is beyond bizarre. He may be the first NBA player in NY history that couldn't get laid in NYC - I mean, c'mon, nobody misses this guy.

Not for nothing, but what part of your azz did you pull the MELO deux comparison? The more apt comparison would be LINingis deux. Money grubbing, huge hype, get hurt, wanted to get paid, no playoffs here.

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10/2/2019  12:29 PM
time will tell

it should only take a season to see whether KP and/or Knicks FO are phonies

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10/4/2019  8:45 AM    LAST EDITED: 10/4/2019  8:45 AM
Chandler wrote:time will tell

it should only take a season to see whether KP and/or Knicks FO are phonies

Not sure waiting for KP to be a phony is a good move. The idiot family aside, the Unicorn set rookie records. What everyone's waiting for is for him to prove he's not spending a large portion of every season in a suit. If he blows out his other knee, or his feet and back start getting chronic, you've got a very rich man's Sam Bowie injury-based lottery bust, but not a phony.

Knicks FO is a different story. If we end up watching a season long death march of "FU Fiz, I'm getting mine for my next contract" from the 10 forwards (hyperbole alert) we signed, then you know you've got phony, Hinkie wannabe's running your team.

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10/4/2019  11:23 AM
I used to legitimately hate it when I get disturbed out of a REM cycle.. but now it happens all the time so whatevs
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10/4/2019  12:46 PM
jrodmc wrote:
Chandler wrote:time will tell

it should only take a season to see whether KP and/or Knicks FO are phonies

Not sure waiting for KP to be a phony is a good move. The idiot family aside, the Unicorn set rookie records. What everyone's waiting for is for him to prove he's not spending a large portion of every season in a suit. If he blows out his other knee, or his feet and back start getting chronic, you've got a very rich man's Sam Bowie injury-based lottery bust, but not a phony.

Knicks FO is a different story. If we end up watching a season long death march of "FU Fiz, I'm getting mine for my next contract" from the 10 forwards (hyperbole alert) we signed, then you know you've got phony, Hinkie wannabe's running your team.

if i were forced to place a bet, it is that KP will pan out and this FO won't

My suspicion is that KP (having a firsthand view we don't) realized we went from bad to worse regarding FO and coach. Did he handle it well? No. But then again I don't what handling it well looks like -- Jimmy Butler in Minny, AD in New Orleans, etc.

i think our FO didn't have the self-confidence in being called out and instead shipped his butt out. It was a bold move. If he turns into an upper ecehlon player however Mills and Perry will look like dumb-dumbs of truly epic proportions. If KP repeats his antics, they will look like savants

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10/4/2019  12:58 PM
Chandler wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
Chandler wrote:time will tell

it should only take a season to see whether KP and/or Knicks FO are phonies

Not sure waiting for KP to be a phony is a good move. The idiot family aside, the Unicorn set rookie records. What everyone's waiting for is for him to prove he's not spending a large portion of every season in a suit. If he blows out his other knee, or his feet and back start getting chronic, you've got a very rich man's Sam Bowie injury-based lottery bust, but not a phony.

Knicks FO is a different story. If we end up watching a season long death march of "FU Fiz, I'm getting mine for my next contract" from the 10 forwards (hyperbole alert) we signed, then you know you've got phony, Hinkie wannabe's running your team.

if i were forced to place a bet, it is that KP will pan out and this FO won't

My suspicion is that KP (having a firsthand view we don't) realized we went from bad to worse regarding FO and coach. Did he handle it well? No. But then again I don't what handling it well looks like -- Jimmy Butler in Minny, AD in New Orleans, etc.

i think our FO didn't have the self-confidence in being called out and instead shipped his butt out. It was a bold move. If he turns into an upper ecehlon player however Mills and Perry will look like dumb-dumbs of truly epic proportions. If KP repeats his antics, they will look like savants

In the last year plus, did KP really have a firsthand view? Dude was away from the team for most of the time. By his own choice. And on top of that was doubly dealing with all the off court messiness.

Maybe the FO had firsthand view of KP and jettisoned his ass

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Chandler wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
Chandler wrote:time will tell

it should only take a season to see whether KP and/or Knicks FO are phonies

Not sure waiting for KP to be a phony is a good move. The idiot family aside, the Unicorn set rookie records. What everyone's waiting for is for him to prove he's not spending a large portion of every season in a suit. If he blows out his other knee, or his feet and back start getting chronic, you've got a very rich man's Sam Bowie injury-based lottery bust, but not a phony.

Knicks FO is a different story. If we end up watching a season long death march of "FU Fiz, I'm getting mine for my next contract" from the 10 forwards (hyperbole alert) we signed, then you know you've got phony, Hinkie wannabe's running your team.

if i were forced to place a bet, it is that KP will pan out and this FO won't

My suspicion is that KP (having a firsthand view we don't) realized we went from bad to worse regarding FO and coach. Did he handle it well? No. But then again I don't what handling it well looks like -- Jimmy Butler in Minny, AD in New Orleans, etc.

i think our FO didn't have the self-confidence in being called out and instead shipped his butt out. It was a bold move. If he turns into an upper ecehlon player however Mills and Perry will look like dumb-dumbs of truly epic proportions. If KP repeats his antics, they will look like savants

Do we really know what he wanted? Kind of hard to lay judgement other than speculation. Objectively fans view this thru the lens of Mills tolerance or Mills hate. I tolerate but still looking for answers. If you hate Mills, you blame mills? I dunno what transpired than what was reported from him missing the exit meeting and then Phil got fired. Then he got hurt. He told us he wanted to come back and be like an amaizing recovery story. Then he got snitty with Fiz for silly reasons. Seems like knicks did not want him to play. Then he got Traded when he requested and his bad behavior/extortion stuff came out. The kid can play!!!

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10/4/2019  5:16 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/4/2019  5:17 PM
martin wrote:
Chandler wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
Chandler wrote:time will tell

it should only take a season to see whether KP and/or Knicks FO are phonies

Not sure waiting for KP to be a phony is a good move. The idiot family aside, the Unicorn set rookie records. What everyone's waiting for is for him to prove he's not spending a large portion of every season in a suit. If he blows out his other knee, or his feet and back start getting chronic, you've got a very rich man's Sam Bowie injury-based lottery bust, but not a phony.

Knicks FO is a different story. If we end up watching a season long death march of "FU Fiz, I'm getting mine for my next contract" from the 10 forwards (hyperbole alert) we signed, then you know you've got phony, Hinkie wannabe's running your team.

if i were forced to place a bet, it is that KP will pan out and this FO won't

My suspicion is that KP (having a firsthand view we don't) realized we went from bad to worse regarding FO and coach. Did he handle it well? No. But then again I don't what handling it well looks like -- Jimmy Butler in Minny, AD in New Orleans, etc.

i think our FO didn't have the self-confidence in being called out and instead shipped his butt out. It was a bold move. If he turns into an upper ecehlon player however Mills and Perry will look like dumb-dumbs of truly epic proportions. If KP repeats his antics, they will look like savants

In the last year plus, did KP really have a firsthand view? Dude was away from the team for most of the time. By his own choice. And on top of that was doubly dealing with all the off court messiness.

Maybe the FO had firsthand view of KP and jettisoned his ass

You could be right. I at least hinted of the possibility (in bold). If you are right, i'll change my siggy again to reflect both FO and Martin are savants!

and you're right about his being away, but he certainly had more firsthand view than we fans did

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10/5/2019  3:55 PM
martin wrote:
Chandler wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
Chandler wrote:time will tell

it should only take a season to see whether KP and/or Knicks FO are phonies

Not sure waiting for KP to be a phony is a good move. The idiot family aside, the Unicorn set rookie records. What everyone's waiting for is for him to prove he's not spending a large portion of every season in a suit. If he blows out his other knee, or his feet and back start getting chronic, you've got a very rich man's Sam Bowie injury-based lottery bust, but not a phony.

Knicks FO is a different story. If we end up watching a season long death march of "FU Fiz, I'm getting mine for my next contract" from the 10 forwards (hyperbole alert) we signed, then you know you've got phony, Hinkie wannabe's running your team.

if i were forced to place a bet, it is that KP will pan out and this FO won't

My suspicion is that KP (having a firsthand view we don't) realized we went from bad to worse regarding FO and coach. Did he handle it well? No. But then again I don't what handling it well looks like -- Jimmy Butler in Minny, AD in New Orleans, etc.

i think our FO didn't have the self-confidence in being called out and instead shipped his butt out. It was a bold move. If he turns into an upper ecehlon player however Mills and Perry will look like dumb-dumbs of truly epic proportions. If KP repeats his antics, they will look like savants

In the last year plus, did KP really have a firsthand view? Dude was away from the team for most of the time. By his own choice. And on top of that was doubly dealing with all the off court messiness.

Maybe the FO had firsthand view of KP and jettisoned his ass


This. Hahn said he was aware of at least two other incidents where the Knicks protected KP. Prior to the Mavs media day, I hadn’t seen him since he was in a bar fight. KP was pissed that the Knicks didn’t max him out while he was injured. His brother also wanted more power in the organization. The Mavs don’t care about any of that stuff. There is also his horrible injury history. I think the front office made the right move.
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10/6/2019  1:26 PM
jrodmc wrote:
fwk00 wrote:
Nalod wrote:
Vmart wrote:I just listened to him and Doncic down here in Dallas. Goal is playoffs live video games excited to get back on the floor. Hard work at time he couldn’t see the finish line but now he feels his hard work is going to payoff.

KP usually said all the right things regarding his work ethic and what ever. His potential is huge. Take away the garbage he had great instincts and feel for the game but like many young players was inconsistent. The putback dunks were works of art. The very type of play that hurt him. He really did go all out on the court. Problem was staying on the court and stamina. I hate for him to succeed as hoped in a mav's uniform unless the Knicks do well themselves. Time line might not correspond for us as we do have two first round picks coming in the future. Media will spin it ugly.

Like so many disingenuous NBA players, Darko Porzingis had the perfunctory public relations rap well memorized and sold it like a Democratic presidential candidate selling free beer.

The problem with Darko is that he did have talent and may still have talent but HE CAN"T BE TRUSTED. HE and his money-grubbing kin have an agenda that eclipses everybody and everything else. He is, for lack of a more perfect comparison, MELO deux.

The alleged rape incident is beyond bizarre. He may be the first NBA player in NY history that couldn't get laid in NYC - I mean, c'mon, nobody misses this guy.

Not for nothing, but what part of your azz did you pull the MELO deux comparison? The more apt comparison would be LINingis deux. Money grubbing, huge hype, get hurt, wanted to get paid, no playoffs here.

It was the large intestine after some beans and franks. Darko does that to me.

If you don't see how badly Darko wanted to be one of Melo's boys then you should see an optometrist. Darko and his idiot entourage mostly connected by DNA were gangsta-wannabes. Phil recognized this early and was more than happy to show him the door.

Why Phil ever was a MSM whipping boy for this team is a mystery to me. He heroically attempted to and succeeded in getting the Knicks to turn a corner away from attempting to spend their way to the top to investing in competitive players with higher BB IQs. He was working with few tradeable assets and multiple potential disruptive individuals across the organization. No, it wasn't pretty and no he wasn't perfect but today is much brighter than 5 years or so ago.

Am I happy about how painful rebuilding in NYC is? NO. But Darko was toxic. The litany of assertions you listed about him are generous. He wasn't only money-grubbing, he believed he was entitled, above reproach, and if the rape accusation is true - above the law. His disrespect for the Knicks FO and coaching staff was obvious. He fueled the rabid MSM like a politician selling war and that fuel continues to burn today.

He is not the player he can be because, LIKE MELO, his head is elsewhere and usually stoking the embers of his next headcase episode. Texas fans will spit him out like chewing tobacco.

I am ecstatic about the trade assets the Knicks acquire because they're considerable, long term, and worthy of the potential value Darko represented at the time. Phil took the heat for Darko's childish bullsh@t and made it look like Darko was still a player. Otherwise, had they exposed Darko for who he was, they'd been left with a bag full of chips. Fans should be thanking Phil for the number he orchestrated in showing both Melo and his sidekick the writing on the wall.

And let me correct one last thing. Playoffs are coming.

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