knicks1248 wrote:This why I continue to have a major problem with Mills, because Dolan forced Mills on Phil and if Mills was a Sharp GM he would have been able to recruit better players to come here.

All of the 2nd and 3rd tier level players that were brought in under phil and mills are the same type of players we are bringing now under Mills and perry.

The only thing that has changed since phil is the TRIANGLE BS is gone. Mills treats Perry the way phil treated him, like an advisor/consultant.

fishmike wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:This why I continue to have a major problem with Mills, because Dolan forced Mills on Phil and if Mills was a Sharp GM he would have been able to recruit better players to come here.

All of the 2nd and 3rd tier level players that were brought in under phil and mills are the same type of players we are bringing now under Mills and perry.

The only thing that has changed since phil is the TRIANGLE BS is gone. Mills treats Perry the way phil treated him, like an advisor/consultant.

Mills brought in Derrick Rose... your fav player.

Everyone knows that was phils deeds, but for the sake of argument Mills is part of the dysfunctional FO that was lead by Phil. Like i said, what has changed since Phil has been gone other than the triangle.

Phil had one bad contract, Mill's had hardway, phil hired coaches with little to no head coach experience, mills hired Fiz who looks to be no better than JH or Fisher.

The guards phil traded for D Rose( grant and calderon) are not even better than Rose now or then, and it was a one yr experiment.

What happen to the Grooming of ALLAN HOUSTON to be GM?

Vmart wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Vmart wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Nalod wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Nalod wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:They could have run "ring around the rosie" and still won those chips, lol. Let Phil rest in peace!

You didn’t read it did you? Keeping it real..........

I was the one who first posted this article on UK. Not saying that Phil was a lousy coach. I am saying that a lot of great coaches could have run their system and achieved the same results, with the talent on hand.

I'm not so sure about that, talent is only part of the equation, phil taught Jordan how to play winning basketball instead of hero ball, he also raised the IQ of all his players, and again, these players they acquired fit the system like a glove.

A perfect example of of fit is Steve Novak and JR Smith under MDA and Mike woodson(who used much of Mda's system)those 2 had career yrs because of the system.

Thats coaching, We were running the Triangle (or at least trying) with Rose and what did he do? Call his number most of the time, play hero ball. D'antoni's system wasnt the problem in NY, it was his coaching. MDA didnt care if it was a good look at the rim would just yell "keep shooting". Other coaches have taken MDA's system, but insisted on better shot selection.

The Triangle, SSOL, are only as good as the coaches who run them.

Coaches need talent. Plain and simple. Great coaches make it look easy so we then say "Hey, Anyone could coach that........"

A number of great coaches could have won with Jordan? But they didn't.
Nash and Harden were all stars, but not MVPs!!!! Jordan and Kobe have any rings outside of Phil? Nope.
Kerr elevated a good team into a great one. I've been around here long enough to see how Knick fans devalue guys like Larry Brown, MDA, Nelson, but look at the rosters they had. MDA in my mind got validated with what he has done in Houston. That is no championshop roster and to me he takes them further than what is on paper. Great coaches don't always have great rosters.

It is comical to insinuate Phil was not as great because he had great talent. If you read his books he gives a ton of credit to the players especially when they bought into the team concept. The way Michael embraced Rodman as told by phil was a great read. Rodman tried to kick up but rather than isolate him Michael and Dennis stayed up one night smoked cigars and drank. They let Dennis be dennis until he saw he was being a problem They used different rules for Rodman.
Phil devised that stragegy. Not pure X's and O's but a culture. He permitted a double standard until the team took care of itself. Phil was known to lay back and let the team sort thru its issues. That was seen as a lack of coaching but the fact is a good team knows what to do. Its created in practice. All that zen stuff worked when the players bought in. Kobe did not always buy in.

Don't have to take my word for it. He has more rings than anyone. Yes he had Shaq and Kobe. But he also had to coach them. Maybe a better coach could have gotten more from them? Open concept. The rings are where they are.

As for this stint as knick president? Great idea. Badly executed. Bad result. Too old? Too Arrogant? Too ambitious? Perhaps. He hired Kerr. I guess when he had health issues he resigns. Painful enough to rebuild in NYC. Fish? Good idea. Not the right guy. He was not ready for the commitment. Rambis? He was Herb Willimas. If he made the playoffs maybe. He didn't. He got exiled as he should. Hornacek? Not awful. He wanted to mentor Luke Walton.

I thought Phil too was cooked and he handled KP wrong at the time. In retrospect he might have been correct all along. He got fired for wanting to trade KP. Fact is, we did.

Does any of this add up to justify keeping him? No. The triangle was for him and Tex to teach and install. Not administer. The article was a great readable history of the Triangle and Tex winters unique traits as a coach and as a man. If you can't away from an article like that with some appreciation for his history, What Krause did in ChiTown, Jordan, Jax, and winters...........you might be a die hard knick fan, but your missing out. I admit I hated the bulls and Jordan. I learned in their second threepeat to better appreciate the greatness that was. I vowed to not be a homer to the degree of not appreciating other teams. The bulls were special. The Lakers with Kobe/Shaq, Kobe/Pau were special. but winning with Robert Horry, Fox, Walton, Fish was also to be admired.

Just wrote its about the coach, not the system. The 72 win Bulls could have one with a more traditional system, with the talent on hand. That and Phil. The Triangle was just another tool in the toolbox for a talented team and coach. You treat it almost as if it were a religion.

Phil was a God awful exec in NY, thats the only legacy worth talking about on a Knicks board. Not what he was, long before he came back to NY...occasionally.

Yes the Bulls could have won with another system but they didn’t. Yes the Lakers could have won with another system but they didn’t. You think Jordan goes perfect using another system? You think Kobe would have won as many using another system.

Man some of you guys will go to extremes just to hate on Phil. The man set this stupid franchise which wasn’t exactly winning anything and gave it direction of youth. Yet some of you can’t see past a bad deal which every GM/President seems to have.

Phil is a great coach and arguably the greatest coach of all time. So tired of Phil bashing. He is a Knick for life and wears the NYK rings.

Great! Then we agree. So how about we stop treating the Triangle like it was out of some book in Harry Potter?

80-166

For the first 2 years I defended Phil's move, because he wasnt handing out bad deals. Was trying to develop youth. Lost me when Noah/Rose were brought to NY. Awful move the team is still paying for with Noah. All this "Phil hater" stuff is silly. Watched him as a player at MSG, wanted him to represent. All he represented was a desire to do as little work as possible for that mega contract.

I might imagine this happening if Phil went to a bad small market team. Too old and rich to care.
Not the Knicks. Not where he really learned the game. Players couldnt even talk to him in the hallway.

Enough with the hero worship. Phil was a great coach and a lousy exec.

No one seems to understand that you have to suck before you become good in the NBA. That is the process of success. You guys wanted him to work miracles with a pick every other year. Once again you fools find out the heard way the Knicks are not the destination that you think it is for free agents.

Giving Noah that ridiculous deal which the Knicks are still paying for was a great way to suck. Mission Accomplished! You are defending 80-166, the worst track record of any exec in francbise history. Foolish is as foolish does. Pure unadulterated fanboyism. Dont let the facts get in your way..

Vmart wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Vmart wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Vmart wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Nalod wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Nalod wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:They could have run "ring around the rosie" and still won those chips, lol. Let Phil rest in peace!

You didn’t read it did you? Keeping it real..........

I was the one who first posted this article on UK. Not saying that Phil was a lousy coach. I am saying that a lot of great coaches could have run their system and achieved the same results, with the talent on hand.

I'm not so sure about that, talent is only part of the equation, phil taught Jordan how to play winning basketball instead of hero ball, he also raised the IQ of all his players, and again, these players they acquired fit the system like a glove.

A perfect example of of fit is Steve Novak and JR Smith under MDA and Mike woodson(who used much of Mda's system)those 2 had career yrs because of the system.

Thats coaching, We were running the Triangle (or at least trying) with Rose and what did he do? Call his number most of the time, play hero ball. D'antoni's system wasnt the problem in NY, it was his coaching. MDA didnt care if it was a good look at the rim would just yell "keep shooting". Other coaches have taken MDA's system, but insisted on better shot selection.

The Triangle, SSOL, are only as good as the coaches who run them.

Coaches need talent. Plain and simple. Great coaches make it look easy so we then say "Hey, Anyone could coach that........"

A number of great coaches could have won with Jordan? But they didn't.
Nash and Harden were all stars, but not MVPs!!!! Jordan and Kobe have any rings outside of Phil? Nope.
Kerr elevated a good team into a great one. I've been around here long enough to see how Knick fans devalue guys like Larry Brown, MDA, Nelson, but look at the rosters they had. MDA in my mind got validated with what he has done in Houston. That is no championshop roster and to me he takes them further than what is on paper. Great coaches don't always have great rosters.

It is comical to insinuate Phil was not as great because he had great talent. If you read his books he gives a ton of credit to the players especially when they bought into the team concept. The way Michael embraced Rodman as told by phil was a great read. Rodman tried to kick up but rather than isolate him Michael and Dennis stayed up one night smoked cigars and drank. They let Dennis be dennis until he saw he was being a problem They used different rules for Rodman.
Phil devised that stragegy. Not pure X's and O's but a culture. He permitted a double standard until the team took care of itself. Phil was known to lay back and let the team sort thru its issues. That was seen as a lack of coaching but the fact is a good team knows what to do. Its created in practice. All that zen stuff worked when the players bought in. Kobe did not always buy in.

Don't have to take my word for it. He has more rings than anyone. Yes he had Shaq and Kobe. But he also had to coach them. Maybe a better coach could have gotten more from them? Open concept. The rings are where they are.

As for this stint as knick president? Great idea. Badly executed. Bad result. Too old? Too Arrogant? Too ambitious? Perhaps. He hired Kerr. I guess when he had health issues he resigns. Painful enough to rebuild in NYC. Fish? Good idea. Not the right guy. He was not ready for the commitment. Rambis? He was Herb Willimas. If he made the playoffs maybe. He didn't. He got exiled as he should. Hornacek? Not awful. He wanted to mentor Luke Walton.

I thought Phil too was cooked and he handled KP wrong at the time. In retrospect he might have been correct all along. He got fired for wanting to trade KP. Fact is, we did.

Does any of this add up to justify keeping him? No. The triangle was for him and Tex to teach and install. Not administer. The article was a great readable history of the Triangle and Tex winters unique traits as a coach and as a man. If you can't away from an article like that with some appreciation for his history, What Krause did in ChiTown, Jordan, Jax, and winters...........you might be a die hard knick fan, but your missing out. I admit I hated the bulls and Jordan. I learned in their second threepeat to better appreciate the greatness that was. I vowed to not be a homer to the degree of not appreciating other teams. The bulls were special. The Lakers with Kobe/Shaq, Kobe/Pau were special. but winning with Robert Horry, Fox, Walton, Fish was also to be admired.

Just wrote its about the coach, not the system. The 72 win Bulls could have one with a more traditional system, with the talent on hand. That and Phil. The Triangle was just another tool in the toolbox for a talented team and coach. You treat it almost as if it were a religion.

Phil was a God awful exec in NY, thats the only legacy worth talking about on a Knicks board. Not what he was, long before he came back to NY...occasionally.

Yes the Bulls could have won with another system but they didn’t. Yes the Lakers could have won with another system but they didn’t. You think Jordan goes perfect using another system? You think Kobe would have won as many using another system.

Man some of you guys will go to extremes just to hate on Phil. The man set this stupid franchise which wasn’t exactly winning anything and gave it direction of youth. Yet some of you can’t see past a bad deal which every GM/President seems to have.

Phil is a great coach and arguably the greatest coach of all time. So tired of Phil bashing. He is a Knick for life and wears the NYK rings.

Great! Then we agree. So how about we stop treating the Triangle like it was out of some book in Harry Potter?

80-166

For the first 2 years I defended Phil's move, because he wasnt handing out bad deals. Was trying to develop youth. Lost me when Noah/Rose were brought to NY. Awful move the team is still paying for with Noah. All this "Phil hater" stuff is silly. Watched him as a player at MSG, wanted him to represent. All he represented was a desire to do as little work as possible for that mega contract.

I might imagine this happening if Phil went to a bad small market team. Too old and rich to care.
Not the Knicks. Not where he really learned the game. Players couldnt even talk to him in the hallway.

Enough with the hero worship. Phil was a great coach and a lousy exec.

No one seems to understand that you have to suck before you become good in the NBA. That is the process of success. You guys wanted him to work miracles with a pick every other year. Once again you fools find out the heard way the Knicks are not the destination that you think it is for free agents.

Giving Noah that ridiculous deal which the Knicks are still paying for was a great way to suck. Mission Accomplished! You are defending 80-166, the worst track record of any exec in francbise history. Foolish is as foolish does. Pure unadulterated fanboyism. Dont let the facts get in your way..

The Knicks are paying for because this current regime didn’t have the patience to let it expire. Like I said what GM doesn’t have crap on their hands. They all do.

All the patience in the world wouldnt have made a difference as long as Phil mandated the Triangle. Some FAs let it be known they wanted to play for Phil, but not if he was forcing that system on them. Hornacek had work to do in how he relates to his stars, but had shown he can coach if he was allowed to run his own system. Phil made things much more complicated than it needed to be. He was hamstringing the team from the jump. All he had to do was find a good coach, and let him do his job.

Didnt happen. Before Hornacek he hired Fisher, who hadnt even coached a rec league game, and was still playing. Hence 80-166

jrodmc wrote:Great. Another fanboy thread about the worst Knick exec since IT. Oh wait, IT at least made the playoffs.

martin, is it possible to just sticky this thread to the TripleThreat "Phil Hot Pockets" post?

The heck with that, I want a freaking HOJOs in space sticky thread!

Vmart wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Vmart wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Nalod wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Nalod wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:They could have run "ring around the rosie" and still won those chips, lol. Let Phil rest in peace!

You didn’t read it did you? Keeping it real..........

I was the one who first posted this article on UK. Not saying that Phil was a lousy coach. I am saying that a lot of great coaches could have run their system and achieved the same results, with the talent on hand.

I'm not so sure about that, talent is only part of the equation, phil taught Jordan how to play winning basketball instead of hero ball, he also raised the IQ of all his players, and again, these players they acquired fit the system like a glove.

A perfect example of of fit is Steve Novak and JR Smith under MDA and Mike woodson(who used much of Mda's system)those 2 had career yrs because of the system.

Thats coaching, We were running the Triangle (or at least trying) with Rose and what did he do? Call his number most of the time, play hero ball. D'antoni's system wasnt the problem in NY, it was his coaching. MDA didnt care if it was a good look at the rim would just yell "keep shooting". Other coaches have taken MDA's system, but insisted on better shot selection.

The Triangle, SSOL, are only as good as the coaches who run them.

Coaches need talent. Plain and simple. Great coaches make it look easy so we then say "Hey, Anyone could coach that........"

A number of great coaches could have won with Jordan? But they didn't.
Nash and Harden were all stars, but not MVPs!!!! Jordan and Kobe have any rings outside of Phil? Nope.
Kerr elevated a good team into a great one. I've been around here long enough to see how Knick fans devalue guys like Larry Brown, MDA, Nelson, but look at the rosters they had. MDA in my mind got validated with what he has done in Houston. That is no championshop roster and to me he takes them further than what is on paper. Great coaches don't always have great rosters.

It is comical to insinuate Phil was not as great because he had great talent. If you read his books he gives a ton of credit to the players especially when they bought into the team concept. The way Michael embraced Rodman as told by phil was a great read. Rodman tried to kick up but rather than isolate him Michael and Dennis stayed up one night smoked cigars and drank. They let Dennis be dennis until he saw he was being a problem They used different rules for Rodman.
Phil devised that stragegy. Not pure X's and O's but a culture. He permitted a double standard until the team took care of itself. Phil was known to lay back and let the team sort thru its issues. That was seen as a lack of coaching but the fact is a good team knows what to do. Its created in practice. All that zen stuff worked when the players bought in. Kobe did not always buy in.

Don't have to take my word for it. He has more rings than anyone. Yes he had Shaq and Kobe. But he also had to coach them. Maybe a better coach could have gotten more from them? Open concept. The rings are where they are.

As for this stint as knick president? Great idea. Badly executed. Bad result. Too old? Too Arrogant? Too ambitious? Perhaps. He hired Kerr. I guess when he had health issues he resigns. Painful enough to rebuild in NYC. Fish? Good idea. Not the right guy. He was not ready for the commitment. Rambis? He was Herb Willimas. If he made the playoffs maybe. He didn't. He got exiled as he should. Hornacek? Not awful. He wanted to mentor Luke Walton.

I thought Phil too was cooked and he handled KP wrong at the time. In retrospect he might have been correct all along. He got fired for wanting to trade KP. Fact is, we did.

Does any of this add up to justify keeping him? No. The triangle was for him and Tex to teach and install. Not administer. The article was a great readable history of the Triangle and Tex winters unique traits as a coach and as a man. If you can't away from an article like that with some appreciation for his history, What Krause did in ChiTown, Jordan, Jax, and winters...........you might be a die hard knick fan, but your missing out. I admit I hated the bulls and Jordan. I learned in their second threepeat to better appreciate the greatness that was. I vowed to not be a homer to the degree of not appreciating other teams. The bulls were special. The Lakers with Kobe/Shaq, Kobe/Pau were special. but winning with Robert Horry, Fox, Walton, Fish was also to be admired.

Just wrote its about the coach, not the system. The 72 win Bulls could have one with a more traditional system, with the talent on hand. That and Phil. The Triangle was just another tool in the toolbox for a talented team and coach. You treat it almost as if it were a religion.

Phil was a God awful exec in NY, thats the only legacy worth talking about on a Knicks board. Not what he was, long before he came back to NY...occasionally.

Yes the Bulls could have won with another system but they didn’t. Yes the Lakers could have won with another system but they didn’t. You think Jordan goes perfect using another system? You think Kobe would have won as many using another system.

Man some of you guys will go to extremes just to hate on Phil. The man set this stupid franchise which wasn’t exactly winning anything and gave it direction of youth. Yet some of you can’t see past a bad deal which every GM/President seems to have.

Phil is a great coach and arguably the greatest coach of all time. So tired of Phil bashing. He is a Knick for life and wears the NYK rings.

Great! Then we agree. So how about we stop treating the Triangle like it was out of some book in Harry Potter?

80-166

For the first 2 years I defended Phil's move, because he wasnt handing out bad deals. Was trying to develop youth. Lost me when Noah/Rose were brought to NY. Awful move the team is still paying for with Noah. All this "Phil hater" stuff is silly. Watched him as a player at MSG, wanted him to represent. All he represented was a desire to do as little work as possible for that mega contract.

I might imagine this happening if Phil went to a bad small market team. Too old and rich to care.
Not the Knicks. Not where he really learned the game. Players couldnt even talk to him in the hallway.

Enough with the hero worship. Phil was a great coach and a lousy exec.

No one seems to understand that you have to suck before you become good in the NBA. That is the process of success. You guys wanted him to work miracles with a pick every other year. Once again you fools find out the heard way the Knicks are not the destination that you think it is for free agents.

mlby1215 wrote:The oldest Knicks on the team at the time was called Phil Jackson, but it never mentioned that way. People could say whatever they like, but does this team have any talent like KP6? This team has no one even matched to the talent of Derrick Rose, and after 29-53 and 17-65, what will it get this year? Sure his era was the biggest disaster in history, but how should it be called the era after it? Many ppl in their heart saw it coming, but the hatred blinded them. They would rather see Phil Jackson suffered.

Maybe in his dreams, Melo sees he plays in Triangle again. For one, "modern basketball" actually didn't like him. For another, it would prolong his career if he had the time listening to Phil Jackson rather than his college coach. Yep, his college coach stood by him. He told Melo he was all good and everything was Phil's fault. But did the college coach give him another job?

Melo should have listened to the better coach.

CrushAlot wrote:

mlby1215 wrote:The oldest Knicks on the team at the time was called Phil Jackson, but it never mentioned that way. People could say whatever they like, but does this team have any talent like KP6? This team has no one even matched to the talent of Derrick Rose, and after 29-53 and 17-65, what will it get this year? Sure his era was the biggest disaster in history, but how should it be called the era after it? Many ppl in their heart saw it coming, but the hatred blinded them. They would rather see Phil Jackson suffered.

Maybe in his dreams, Melo sees he plays in Triangle again. For one, "modern basketball" actually didn't like him. For another, it would prolong his career if he had the time listening to Phil Jackson rather than his college coach. Yep, his college coach stood by him. He told Melo he was all good and everything was Phil's fault. But did the college coach give him another job?

Melo should have listened to the better coach.

I don't know any Knick fans that weren't thrilled when Phil was hired and given autonomy. If I get a chance I will look and bump a thread from that time.

The initial signing of PHIL was met with great optimism, I was even on board. Remember the warm welcome they gave him at the Garden, he even got a standing O. But when every move you make contributes to a losing culture and dysfunction follows your days are numbered.

The excuses about be patient it's his 1st yr, then 2nd yr, then it takes time to rebuild, then blame the players, particularly melo and rose, then the coach.

It's the same path mills is on..

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

mlby1215 wrote:The oldest Knicks on the team at the time was called Phil Jackson, but it never mentioned that way. People could say whatever they like, but does this team have any talent like KP6? This team has no one even matched to the talent of Derrick Rose, and after 29-53 and 17-65, what will it get this year? Sure his era was the biggest disaster in history, but how should it be called the era after it? Many ppl in their heart saw it coming, but the hatred blinded them. They would rather see Phil Jackson suffered.

Maybe in his dreams, Melo sees he plays in Triangle again. For one, "modern basketball" actually didn't like him. For another, it would prolong his career if he had the time listening to Phil Jackson rather than his college coach. Yep, his college coach stood by him. He told Melo he was all good and everything was Phil's fault. But did the college coach give him another job?

Melo should have listened to the better coach.

I don't know any Knick fans that weren't thrilled when Phil was hired and given autonomy. If I get a chance I will look and bump a thread from that time.

The initial signing of PHIL was met with great optimism, I was even on board. Remember the warm welcome they gave him at the Garden, he even got a standing O. But when every move you make contributes to a losing culture and dysfunction follows your days are numbered.

The excuses about be patient it's his 1st yr, then 2nd yr, then it takes time to rebuild, then blame the players, particularly melo and rose, then the coach.

It's the same path mills is on..

Knicks are on a path. A direction different than previous. Where it leads to is unknown.
Your observations are on a treadmill. Redundancy that goes know where.

You start a thread about phil for the 100TH time, and talk about redundancy.

You know where this sht is headed because you seen this movie before(denial boy), just different actors, same plot, headed for the same outcome.

jrodmc wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

jrodmc wrote:Great. Another fanboy thread about the worst Knick exec since IT. Oh wait, IT at least made the playoffs.

martin, is it possible to just sticky this thread to the TripleThreat "Phil Hot Pockets" post?

The heck with that, I want a freaking HOJOs in space sticky thread!

You'll probably see JAMEIS in the Super Bowl first!

Never heard of him

Next time you watch "2001" imagine the Jacques Pepin inspired fried chicken on the other side of that Space HOJOs sign. We can make this happen! If Popeyes can put a fried chicken sandwich on the menu. More popular than Chick fil A's, there is nothing we cant do as a nation!

BigDaddyG wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

mlby1215 wrote:The oldest Knicks on the team at the time was called Phil Jackson, but it never mentioned that way. People could say whatever they like, but does this team have any talent like KP6? This team has no one even matched to the talent of Derrick Rose, and after 29-53 and 17-65, what will it get this year? Sure his era was the biggest disaster in history, but how should it be called the era after it? Many ppl in their heart saw it coming, but the hatred blinded them. They would rather see Phil Jackson suffered.

Maybe in his dreams, Melo sees he plays in Triangle again. For one, "modern basketball" actually didn't like him. For another, it would prolong his career if he had the time listening to Phil Jackson rather than his college coach. Yep, his college coach stood by him. He told Melo he was all good and everything was Phil's fault. But did the college coach give him another job?

Melo should have listened to the better coach.

I don't know any Knick fans that weren't thrilled when Phil was hired and given autonomy. If I get a chance I will look and bump a thread from that time.

Rose mentions in his book excerpts that he believed the triangle can still be effective, that the Knicks just didn't have the personnel. He also took heavily veiled shots at Melo and his style of play. I think at the end of the day, we just have to accept that the Phil regime was a clusterf@#k. I was optimistic when we signed him and he did some good things. But the mismatched rosters and the dysfunction kinda outweighed those. We couldn't even blame it on Dolan at that point, because it's the quietest he's ever been. As an aside, anyone notice how quiet this off-season has been? I think that's a definite sign of Perry's influence.

It was obvious to everyone (except phil) that the Personnel he was acquiring didn't fit the system he forced his coach to run! Asinine!

Here's a piece of what Rose said, "As for me, I liked Phil, but, come on, man, you’re still running the triangle? He was still forcing them to run it. I’m a slasher, a driving point guard. The triangle is okay, but not for the personnel we had. Melo couldn’t play that way, didn’t want to."

And here's a tidbit on Horncek....Early on in the season, Phil really didn’t force anything. But as time went on, it converted all the way to the triangle and we played through that almost the whole year. For the team we had, I think deep down [coach Jeff] Hornacek really wanted to play that more up-tempo style. But being in that position, being a new head coach, having to listen to the front office, it’s hard on that coach to say something. He’s moved around, he’d been fired in Phoenix. I guess Hornacek got tired of hearing about it, having meetings about it, so he just said, “We’re gonna do it and see.”