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Nalod
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8/29/2019  9:18 AM

Opinion:

My faith in this team does not lie in Mills, Perry or Fiz. What they have or not done in the past is not as important as creation of opportunities.

For example KP was drafted and we had a bonafide opportunity to have a very special player. For all the reasons we know it did not turn out. Not because of Phil, Mills, mummy curse, Dolan or Anucha, but that shyt happens! By being reasonably decisive we created four opportunities.

1. Cap space. Not the starphuch we wanted and perhaps by staying short term we defer the opportunity if and when its presented.
2. Dennis Smith. The talent is there. We have an opportunity to develop him as an allstar.
3. The 2021 pick
4. The 2023 pick

one, or any combo might eclipse what KP might be. Depends on KP's health, his talent and what we do. This will take at minimum 5 years to "Grade the trade".
Fundamentally this FO was decisive and perhaps looked at math instead of ego and desperation. There was a chance we let KP devalue his trade prospects or he could have walked. Instead we created opportunity. It don't win games, but your better with hit then not.

Draft picks on roster: True Blue chapters and young ones.........These are not certainties but opportunities. Some will not develop. some will exceed hope. some will be about right. Law of averages. Maybe frank is the bust. Maybe we took him too young and by being patient he does fulfill his expectations. Maybe we kept him because his trade value was shyt and no deals were worth it to us. Don't matter. He is still part of the equation. Remember its "math".

What is different than anytime my fingers have danced on the UK is we have increased our exposure to opportunities. To get "Lucky" you need this. If this is the thinking with this FO I can appreciate this long term view and how this discipline over time SHOULD yield results. With growing talent, picks and cap space the opportunity will come when a trade will make sense.

Nalod believes in Math and Science. My faith is calculated. I see a process that resembles that. Starphucks are emotional. They do increase attendance but box office math is not my concern. Winning percentages are. WE are good unless Dolan gets emotional.

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KnickDanger
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8/29/2019  12:32 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/29/2019  12:33 PM
I could have sworn the Knicks are pathetic and everything they do is wrong.

(Note -- that is sarcasm.)

Nalod
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8/29/2019  12:51 PM
KnickDanger wrote:I could have sworn the Knicks are pathetic and everything they do is wrong.

(Note -- that is sarcasm.)

There is an equation for that too!!

Panos
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8/29/2019  2:27 PM
Winning percentage, you say?

2000–01 48 34 .585
2001–02 30 52 .366
2002–03 37 45 .451
2003–04 39 43 .476
2004–05 33 49 .402
2005–06 23 59 .280
2006–07 33 49 .402
2007–08 23 59 .280
2008–09 32 50 .390
2009–10 29 53 .354
2010–11 42 40 .512
2011–12 36 30 .545
2012–13 54 28 .659
2013–14 37 45 .451
2014–15 17 65 .207
2015–16 32 50 .390
2016–17 31 51 .378
2017–18 29 53 .354
2018–19 17 65 .207

Wanna do the "math" and tell us all the winning percentage since Frank Ntilikina was born?

Marv
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8/29/2019  8:07 PM
Nalod wrote:

1. Cap space. Not the starphuch we wanted and perhaps by staying short term we defer the opportunity if and when its presented.
2. Dennis Smith. The talent is there. We have an opportunity to develop him as an allstar.
3. The 2021 pick
4. The 2023 pick



5. The jettisoning of thj and lee opens up the 2 spot for rj to develop without conflict or controversy.
franco12
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8/30/2019  9:27 AM
Panos wrote:Winning percentage, you say?

2000–01 48 34 .585
2001–02 30 52 .366
2002–03 37 45 .451
2003–04 39 43 .476
2004–05 33 49 .402
2005–06 23 59 .280
2006–07 33 49 .402
2007–08 23 59 .280
2008–09 32 50 .390
2009–10 29 53 .354
2010–11 42 40 .512
2011–12 36 30 .545
2012–13 54 28 .659
2013–14 37 45 .451
2014–15 17 65 .207
2015–16 32 50 .390
2016–17 31 51 .378
2017–18 29 53 .354
2018–19 17 65 .207

Wanna do the "math" and tell us all the winning percentage since Frank Ntilikina was born?

I don't have the time, but I would love to add columns for what we did with our draft picks- because for a good part of that stretch, we were trading first rounders like they didn't matter.

I think that is the difference now with the organization is they value the draft. The question is will we be able to hit on enough in the draft to build a foundation of talent to dig us out of the gutter.

Nalod
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8/30/2019  10:54 AM

Nalodian opinion:

The past decisions would be relevant if the process continued. Mills is driving this bus Not Isiah not Donnie, Not Phil. It was a shyt show. We can only point to equations that could add up to success.

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8/30/2019  11:23 AM
Nalod wrote:
Nalodian opinion:

The past decisions would be relevant if the process continued. Mills is driving this bus Not Isiah not Donnie, Not Phil. It was a shyt show. We can only point to equations that could add up to success.

Seen enough of the decisions Mills made when he was GM. When he made the call. To say that it looks like Perry is driving the bus as far as personel decisions, and Mills is in charge of keeping an eye on the big picture, which is also important.

Panos
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8/30/2019  11:53 AM
Nalod wrote:

Nalodian opinion:

The past decisions would be relevant if the process continued. Mills is driving this bus Not Isiah not Donnie, Not Phil. It was a shyt show. We can only point to equations that could add up to success.

I hated Isaiah (like always) but he was supposed to be a draft guru. There was much excitement and optimism when he was hired. Things would be different.

Donnie was a well-respected GM in the league, steward of a very stable and successful Pacers organization for many years. There was much excitement and optimism when he was hired. Things would be different. Now you vilify him?

Perry. Is now GM. There is much excitement and optimism when he was hired. Things will be different.

Look I hope they will be and things turn around, cause frankly, I'm tired of being cynical. But there is one common denominator with all the teams pf the last twenty years, and I'm afraid he is the curse: Jimmy D.

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8/30/2019  4:11 PM
For all we have done wrong, we have Smith jr, Barrett, Knox, Randle, and Robinson all with all-star potential. Not to say any or all will make that jump, but we have one player at each position with that potential. If 2 out of the 5 break out to become stars, then it changes everything in a hurry. The rest will fall into place.
Nalod
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8/30/2019  4:29 PM
Panos wrote:
Nalod wrote:

Nalodian opinion:

The past decisions would be relevant if the process continued. Mills is driving this bus Not Isiah not Donnie, Not Phil. It was a shyt show. We can only point to equations that could add up to success.

I hated Isaiah (like always) but he was supposed to be a draft guru. There was much excitement and optimism when he was hired. Things would be different.

Donnie was a well-respected GM in the league, steward of a very stable and successful Pacers organization for many years. There was much excitement and optimism when he was hired. Things would be different. Now you vilify him?

Perry. Is now GM. There is much excitement and optimism when he was hired. Things will be different.

Look I hope they will be and things turn around, cause frankly, I'm tired of being cynical. But there is one common denominator with all the teams pf the last twenty years, and I'm afraid he is the curse: Jimmy D.

I like Donnie But Dolan did not want him and did not let him do his job. My point is Mills has been around before and gets blamed as if he was the main problem all these years. It’s Dolan. Hiring Perry was the least cause for optimism and starphuchedry. No real record and had been assistant else where. Its like it was just a pure basketball hire. When does it come together? I don’t know.
17 wins don’t give you much. I have faith in math and opportunity creation process.

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8/30/2019  10:24 PM
Our future president disagrees.

Always... always remember: Less is less. More is more. More is better and twice as much is good too. Not enough is bad, and too much is never enough except when it's just about right. - The Tick
Marv
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8/30/2019  10:33 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:Our future president disagrees.

well he’s got dwight howard’s vote. that grand per month will round out the LA per diem deal.

BigDaddyG
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8/30/2019  10:37 PM
Marv wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:Our future president disagrees.

well he’s got dwight howard’s vote. that grand per month will round out the LA per diem deal.


Yeah, I can see it. He might be at minimum wage one those child support payments eat through that summer contract he just signed.
Always... always remember: Less is less. More is more. More is better and twice as much is good too. Not enough is bad, and too much is never enough except when it's just about right. - The Tick
Faith in Math........

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