When they realized Plan A (KD) was not going to work they immediately went to their Plan B (J.Randle and others) and got short-term deals to retain future flexibility while signing a balance of young and vets.

Old management would have probably went after DeMarcus Cousins just to have a "star" in New York.

They turned around KP quickly which shows they're a) not fearful of losing any player and b) always forecasting all scenarios with their roster.

They keep finding talent in the 2nd round and/or undrafted players.

We will have to wait to see how the signed player perform, if Dennis Smith JR develops and if any of our young drafted players turns out to be starter material... Some of the signings were a little confusing (eg Reggie Bullock)... That said, the FO keeps saying things and following it up with similar action. You can't correct decades of inept management overnight - you do it by showing consistency with a stable and thought out approach. So if Julius Randles doesn't perform, or RJ doesn't pan out - it doesn't change that we're finally now trying to operate from a stable position. No more swinging for the fences due to being in a position of weakness, praying a star wants to come here and "save the knicks"... that thinking is what turns most people off about New York. Field a team and win. If we can - there is no better place!

jskinny35 wrote:They expressed interest in Terry Rozier but showed discipline when he was offered more by Phx and Charlotte.

When they realized Plan A (KD) was not going to work they immediately went to their Plan B (J.Randle and others) and got short-term deals to retain future flexibility while signing a balance of young and vets.

Old management would have probably went after DeMarcus Cousins just to have a "star" in New York.

They turned around KP quickly which shows they're a) not fearful of losing any player and b) always forecasting all scenarios with their roster.

They keep finding talent in the 2nd round and/or undrafted players.

We will have to wait to see how the signed player perform, if Dennis Smith JR develops and if any of our young drafted players turns out to be starter material... Some of the signings were a little confusing (eg Reggie Bullock)... That said, the FO keeps saying things and following it up with similar action. You can't correct decades of inept management overnight - you do it by showing consistency with a stable and thought out approach. So if Julius Randles doesn't perform, or RJ doesn't pan out - it doesn't change that we're finally now trying to operate from a stable position. No more swinging for the fences due to being in a position of weakness, praying a star wants to come here and "save the knicks"... that thinking is what turns most people off about New York. Field a team and win. If we can - there is no better place!

+1

But, I do like their moves- feel good about the direction they are charting, and am hopeful for the first time in a long time.

Might Dolan mess everything up at any second? Yea. But at least for now, faith in the front office.

jrodmc wrote:The Nyets were making strides (okay, maybe A stride) in a positive direction, overachieving with a team "family" and a rejuvenated DRussell.
Now they have a No-D malcontent and a badly broken KD. I would have been okay if our FO had swung for the fences with everything and gone after Kahwi. That didn't happen, so now we have half a roster of low-maintenance FA vets and the same yoots we had last year. Plus a #3 wildcard, and some 2nd rounders that could lend some intrigue.

Maybe we get to watch some real coaching from Fiz this season and quietly rise to the middle of the pack, instead of running paid practices open to the public. As long as we're not watching another tankathon, I'm all for patience.

Maybe.

It's a new team.
It takes time to make a bunch of parts to play as a team.
And in NBA if you team is not tunes as well-oiled-machine and has no super-stars to compensate you will have a hard time.
So this Kinck team will lose a lot. Especially at the beginning of the season.
If Fiz somehow will make them gel from the beginning of the season he will remove all questions about his abilities as a coach.
But I am not holding my breath. This is superhero-level appointment.

Only to see that it had zero impact once november came around.

The bulls team that won 72 games barely even spoke to each other in the off season, didn't hang out with each other all that much during the season.

What they had is a system and a role in that system that fit ever player.

GustavBahler wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:For the last few seasons, we see and hear that players are getting together for these informal scrimmages with the coaching staff and new players on the roster. We see them hanging out and enjoying each others company..

Only to see that it had zero impact once november came around.

The bulls team that won 72 games barely even spoke to each other in the off season, didn't hang out with each other all that much during the season.

What they had is a system and a role in that system that fit ever player.

You sniff out bad news like a truffle pig. Nothing bad about the team connecting. Dont remember past teams spending so much time together, right after getting signed.

Dude a few yrs back, melo took damn near the entire team to puerto rico in august, and last season guys were working out together way ahead of training camp.

I'm not saying it's a bad thing, I'm saying that fit, system and role is more important than anything you can do during an informal work out. The knick FO does a good job bringing solid high character pro's, those guys are going to get along just fine even if they don't spend a min together until media day

I like that we are a pretty deep team, I don't like that the talent level is almost the same from 1 to 15.

I constantly look up and down this roster and don't see 5 to 6 guys i can bench over the other...can you?

This is a good summary of the things that went right for GS. You can’t plan to build this way. It is an outlier. But it took from 2009 to 2015 to get there.

Toronto’s success is perhaps the most replicable. Keep collecting pieces and be able to capitalize when the opportunity knocks.

I think the goal should be to get the organization to be a regular 50 win team. Then, you can talk about the tweak or Star that makes them a real contender.

BigDaddyG wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2017/5/28/15703228/warriors-rise-history-built-historically-good-team-nba-playoffs

This is a good summary of the things that went right for GS. You can’t plan to build this way. It is an outlier. But it took from 2009 to 2015 to get there.

Toronto’s success is perhaps the most replicable. Keep collecting pieces and be able to capitalize when the opportunity knocks.

I think the goal should be to get the organization to be a regular 50 win team. Then, you can talk about the tweak or Star that makes them a real contender.

There are so many ways to get there. The key is to have financial flexibility and assets that allow you to move when the opportunity opens up to get superior talent. Of course, luck plays a huge part. Toronto was mad close to trading Lowry. GSW got a borderline All-Star talent in the second round with Draymond. The Pistons were able to get prime talents in Billups and Ben Wallace for virtually nothing. And the Rip Hamilton trade. They traded Brian Cardinal, Jerry Stackhouse and Ratko Varda to get him. My man Hubert Davis was also a throw in. I will think we'll get there. How fast depends on how lucky we get. Maybe KAT forces his way out of Minny? Maybe RJ develops way better than we think?

Absolutely. I think what you see is a combination of value add roster management followed by players taking it to the next level together. Detroit got Rasheed Wallace for peanuts. But they had a ton of depth to really push it forward.

My point in the GS reference was that growth takes some time and we just started over. But, the moves made this offseason may payoff well in 2022. This year, all I am looking to see is institutional growth and individual player growth.

Panos wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2017/5/28/15703228/warriors-rise-history-built-historically-good-team-nba-playoffs

This is a good summary of the things that went right for GS. You can’t plan to build this way. It is an outlier. But it took from 2009 to 2015 to get there.

Toronto’s success is perhaps the most replicable. Keep collecting pieces and be able to capitalize when the opportunity knocks.

I think the goal should be to get the organization to be a regular 50 win team. Then, you can talk about the tweak or Star that makes them a real contender.

There are so many ways to get there. The key is to have financial flexibility and assets that allow you to move when the opportunity opens up to get superior talent. Of course, luck plays a huge part. Toronto was mad close to trading Lowry. GSW got a borderline All-Star talent in the second round with Draymond. The Pistons were able to get prime talents in Billups and Ben Wallace for virtually nothing. And the Rip Hamilton trade. They traded Brian Cardinal, Jerry Stackhouse and Ratko Varda to get him. My man Hubert Davis was also a throw in. I will think we'll get there. How fast depends on how lucky we get. Maybe KAT forces his way out of Minny? Maybe RJ develops way better than we think?

Absolutely. I think what you see is a combination of value add roster management followed by players taking it to the next level together. Detroit got Rasheed Wallace for peanuts. But they had a ton of depth to really push it forward.

My point in the GS reference was that growth takes some time and we just started over. But, the moves made this offseason may payoff well in 2022. This year, all I am looking to see is institutional growth and individual player growth.

Are we still taking about the 2004 Detroit fluke, like this is a replicable plan? Can we just stop with that? Every team that has won a championship since has had an MVP caliber player on its roster.

LAL - Kobe x2
Boston - KG
Dallas - Dirk
SAS - Duncan AND Kawhi
Miami - Lebron x3
Cleveland - Lebron x1
GSW - Curry x4
Toronto - Kawhi x1

And for years before that you have Kobe AND Shaq, Olajuwon, Duncan, and Jordan for another 13 years

So let's stop taking about this lightning in a bottle season like it's a game plan. At some point you need a top 3 player in the game.

Panos wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2017/5/28/15703228/warriors-rise-history-built-historically-good-team-nba-playoffs

This is a good summary of the things that went right for GS. You can’t plan to build this way. It is an outlier. But it took from 2009 to 2015 to get there.

Toronto’s success is perhaps the most replicable. Keep collecting pieces and be able to capitalize when the opportunity knocks.

I think the goal should be to get the organization to be a regular 50 win team. Then, you can talk about the tweak or Star that makes them a real contender.

There are so many ways to get there. The key is to have financial flexibility and assets that allow you to move when the opportunity opens up to get superior talent. Of course, luck plays a huge part. Toronto was mad close to trading Lowry. GSW got a borderline All-Star talent in the second round with Draymond. The Pistons were able to get prime talents in Billups and Ben Wallace for virtually nothing. And the Rip Hamilton trade. They traded Brian Cardinal, Jerry Stackhouse and Ratko Varda to get him. My man Hubert Davis was also a throw in. I will think we'll get there. How fast depends on how lucky we get. Maybe KAT forces his way out of Minny? Maybe RJ develops way better than we think?

Absolutely. I think what you see is a combination of value add roster management followed by players taking it to the next level together. Detroit got Rasheed Wallace for peanuts. But they had a ton of depth to really push it forward.

My point in the GS reference was that growth takes some time and we just started over. But, the moves made this offseason may payoff well in 2022. This year, all I am looking to see is institutional growth and individual player growth.

Are we still taking about the 2004 Detroit fluke, like this is a replicable plan? Can we just stop with that? Every team that has won a championship since has had an MVP caliber player on its roster.

LAL - Kobe x2
Boston - KG
Dallas - Dirk
SAS - Duncan AND Kawhi
Miami - Lebron x3
Cleveland - Lebron x1
GSW - Curry x4
Toronto - Kawhi x1

And for years before that you have Kobe AND Shaq, Olajuwon, Duncan, and Jordan for another 13 years

So let's stop taking about this lightning in a bottle season like it's a game plan. At some point you need a top 3 player in the game.

Pretty sure my comment was that growth takes time.