GustavBahler wrote:

Nalod wrote:LOL!! I have discussed this stuff for years and how it tilted the direction of the franchise.
What I did not know was just how messed up that became.
That Dolan had taken a seemingly good idea and it got mucked up!!
Unreal. Remember Phil was bought in a few months later and Mills was demoted sort of to "GM" role.
This franchise never ceases to amaze me!

Dont believe it ever was a good idea. Throwing suits into the equation, the way they did.

It got Dolan "Out of the kitchen" or at least that was the plan.
We stopped trading fist round picks.
It got Isiah out of Dolans ear.

Lets put it this way, there was more than just "forms", and I admit that's messed up!
I hope Phil writes a book about his time here one day. I read all his books, he messes up he does own it.
Dolan is like having a messed up father-in-law. You love the wife but have to deal with it and the history. Best thing is to keep him away.
Come Christmas you have to have the family over. He brings gifts. Some years he is ok. some years he just sends checks, and some years he opens his mouth too much. He loves his daughter and means well. He just can't help himself.

knicks1248 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Nalod wrote:LOL!! I have discussed this stuff for years and how it tilted the direction of the franchise.
What I did not know was just how messed up that became.
That Dolan had taken a seemingly good idea and it got mucked up!!
Unreal. Remember Phil was bought in a few months later and Mills was demoted sort of to "GM" role.
This franchise never ceases to amaze me!

Dont believe it ever was a good idea. Throwing suits into the equation, the way they did.

It got Dolan "Out of the kitchen" or at least that was the plan.
We stopped trading fist round picks.
It got Isiah out of Dolans ear.

Lets put it this way, there was more than just "forms", and I admit that's messed up!
I hope Phil writes a book about his time here one day. I read all his books, he messes up he does own it.
Dolan is like having a messed up father-in-law. You love the wife but have to deal with it and the history. Best thing is to keep him away.
Come Christmas you have to have the family over. He brings gifts. Some years he is ok. some years he just sends checks, and some years he opens his mouth too much. He loves his daughter and means well. He just can't help himself.

It amazes me I some of you really think Dolan is out of the picture...smh

Every single significant move the knicks make or have to make, DOLAN is right there..

he hired those suits, he hired mills, hired phil..and you trust this fools judgment

He's the owner. I don't any expects him to be completely out of the picture. Wouldn't you demand to be consulted before your team commits hundreds of millions of dollars to a player? That's normal for every owner. But he no longer has his hands in day to day operations. He is still an embarrassment alot of times, but he seems to be hands off in terms of the overarching strategy.

Kemet wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Nalod wrote:LOL!! I have discussed this stuff for years and how it tilted the direction of the franchise.
What I did not know was just how messed up that became.
That Dolan had taken a seemingly good idea and it got mucked up!!
Unreal. Remember Phil was bought in a few months later and Mills was demoted sort of to "GM" role.
This franchise never ceases to amaze me!

Dont believe it ever was a good idea. Throwing suits into the equation, the way they did.

It got Dolan "Out of the kitchen" or at least that was the plan.
We stopped trading fist round picks.
It got Isiah out of Dolans ear.

Lets put it this way, there was more than just "forms", and I admit that's messed up!
I hope Phil writes a book about his time here one day. I read all his books, he messes up he does own it.
Dolan is like having a messed up father-in-law. You love the wife but have to deal with it and the history. Best thing is to keep him away.
Come Christmas you have to have the family over. He brings gifts. Some years he is ok. some years he just sends checks, and some years he opens his mouth too much. He loves his daughter and means well. He just can't help himself.

It amazes me I some of you really think Dolan is out of the picture...smh

Every single significant move the knicks make or have to make, DOLAN is right there..

he hired those suits, he hired mills, hired phil..and you trust this fools judgment

He's the owner. I don't any expects him to be completely out of the picture. Wouldn't you demand to be consulted before your team commits hundreds of millions of dollars to a player? That's normal for every owner. But he no longer has his hands in day to day operations. He is still an embarrassment alot of times, but he seems to be hands off in terms of the overarching strategy.

Dolan has never been Hands-Off of the Knicks decision-making after the Ewing trade .. that's why all the signing and trades for the past decade are so similar. Recall when one of Dolan's GM made a few trades in the offseason without Dolan's approval and were FIRED the day before training-camp open.
The only reason why Jason Kidd left the Cuban Mavs for the Knicks were so he could mentor Lin Sanity.
The 54 win season goes to Player/Coach Jason Kidd for playing practically every minute of the 4th quarter for the 54 WINS !!!

knicks1248 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Kemet wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Nalod wrote:LOL!! I have discussed this stuff for years and how it tilted the direction of the franchise.
What I did not know was just how messed up that became.
That Dolan had taken a seemingly good idea and it got mucked up!!
Unreal. Remember Phil was bought in a few months later and Mills was demoted sort of to "GM" role.
This franchise never ceases to amaze me!

Dont believe it ever was a good idea. Throwing suits into the equation, the way they did.

It got Dolan "Out of the kitchen" or at least that was the plan.
We stopped trading fist round picks.
It got Isiah out of Dolans ear.

Lets put it this way, there was more than just "forms", and I admit that's messed up!
I hope Phil writes a book about his time here one day. I read all his books, he messes up he does own it.
Dolan is like having a messed up father-in-law. You love the wife but have to deal with it and the history. Best thing is to keep him away.
Come Christmas you have to have the family over. He brings gifts. Some years he is ok. some years he just sends checks, and some years he opens his mouth too much. He loves his daughter and means well. He just can't help himself.

It amazes me I some of you really think Dolan is out of the picture...smh

Every single significant move the knicks make or have to make, DOLAN is right there..

he hired those suits, he hired mills, hired phil..and you trust this fools judgment

He's the owner. I don't any expects him to be completely out of the picture. Wouldn't you demand to be consulted before your team commits hundreds of millions of dollars to a player? That's normal for every owner. But he no longer has his hands in day to day operations. He is still an embarrassment alot of times, but he seems to be hands off in terms of the overarching strategy.

Dolan has never been Hands-Off of the Knicks decision-making after the Ewing trade .. that's why all the signing and trades for the past decade are so similar. Recall when one of Dolan's GM made a few trades in the offseason without Dolan's approval and were FIRED the day before training-camp open.
The only reason why Jason Kidd left the Cuban Mavs for the Knicks were so he could mentor Lin Sanity.
The 54 win season goes to Player/Coach Jason Kidd for playing practically every minute of the 4th quarter for the 54 WINS !!!

He has been the past few years. We didn't really see him step in when Phil was shopping KP. He stepped in when Phil suggested we eat the rest of Melo's deal, after just signing him. Really, can't blame Dolan there. It would've been a lot of dead money.Haven't heard peep about him forcing us to sign a second tier stars or drafting draft picks. It appears that he's letting the front office manager for the time being. I'll be the first to tell he's screwed up things in the past. But the past is the past. Time to look forward.

The bad thing about dolan is he's a owner that doesn't know a damn thing other than we need a couple of stars..

Any idiot that sounds good can recommend sht to dolan like hiring phil..

Yeah... I hope it's not a ticking time bomb situation that explodes with me waking up to learn we traded RJ, four firsts and Natasha Fizdale to the Raps for Marc Gasol and Kyle Lowry.

knicks1248 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Kemet wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Nalod wrote:LOL!! I have discussed this stuff for years and how it tilted the direction of the franchise.
What I did not know was just how messed up that became.
That Dolan had taken a seemingly good idea and it got mucked up!!
Unreal. Remember Phil was bought in a few months later and Mills was demoted sort of to "GM" role.
This franchise never ceases to amaze me!

Dont believe it ever was a good idea. Throwing suits into the equation, the way they did.

It got Dolan "Out of the kitchen" or at least that was the plan.
We stopped trading fist round picks.
It got Isiah out of Dolans ear.

Lets put it this way, there was more than just "forms", and I admit that's messed up!
I hope Phil writes a book about his time here one day. I read all his books, he messes up he does own it.
Dolan is like having a messed up father-in-law. You love the wife but have to deal with it and the history. Best thing is to keep him away.
Come Christmas you have to have the family over. He brings gifts. Some years he is ok. some years he just sends checks, and some years he opens his mouth too much. He loves his daughter and means well. He just can't help himself.

It amazes me I some of you really think Dolan is out of the picture...smh

Every single significant move the knicks make or have to make, DOLAN is right there..

he hired those suits, he hired mills, hired phil..and you trust this fools judgment

He's the owner. I don't any expects him to be completely out of the picture. Wouldn't you demand to be consulted before your team commits hundreds of millions of dollars to a player? That's normal for every owner. But he no longer has his hands in day to day operations. He is still an embarrassment alot of times, but he seems to be hands off in terms of the overarching strategy.

Dolan has never been Hands-Off of the Knicks decision-making after the Ewing trade .. that's why all the signing and trades for the past decade are so similar. Recall when one of Dolan's GM made a few trades in the offseason without Dolan's approval and were FIRED the day before training-camp open.
The only reason why Jason Kidd left the Cuban Mavs for the Knicks were so he could mentor Lin Sanity.
The 54 win season goes to Player/Coach Jason Kidd for playing practically every minute of the 4th quarter for the 54 WINS !!!

He has been the past few years. We didn't really see him step in when Phil was shopping KP. He stepped in when Phil suggested we eat the rest of Melo's deal, after just signing him. Really, can't blame Dolan there. It would've been a lot of dead money.Haven't heard peep about him forcing us to sign a second tier stars or drafting draft picks. It appears that he's letting the front office manager for the time being. I'll be the first to tell he's screwed up things in the past. But the past is the past. Time to look forward.

The bad thing about dolan is he's a owner that doesn't know a damn thing other than we need a couple of stars..

Any idiot that sounds good can recommend sht to dolan like hiring phil..

LOL. Your always spouting we need stars. YOur like the Dolan of posters, fire FO’s, bring in stars, fire coaches.........

Kemet wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Nalod wrote:LOL!! I have discussed this stuff for years and how it tilted the direction of the franchise.
What I did not know was just how messed up that became.
That Dolan had taken a seemingly good idea and it got mucked up!!
Unreal. Remember Phil was bought in a few months later and Mills was demoted sort of to "GM" role.
This franchise never ceases to amaze me!

Dont believe it ever was a good idea. Throwing suits into the equation, the way they did.

It got Dolan "Out of the kitchen" or at least that was the plan.
We stopped trading fist round picks.
It got Isiah out of Dolans ear.

Lets put it this way, there was more than just "forms", and I admit that's messed up!
I hope Phil writes a book about his time here one day. I read all his books, he messes up he does own it.
Dolan is like having a messed up father-in-law. You love the wife but have to deal with it and the history. Best thing is to keep him away.
Come Christmas you have to have the family over. He brings gifts. Some years he is ok. some years he just sends checks, and some years he opens his mouth too much. He loves his daughter and means well. He just can't help himself.

It amazes me I some of you really think Dolan is out of the picture...smh

Every single significant move the knicks make or have to make, DOLAN is right there..

he hired those suits, he hired mills, hired phil..and you trust this fools judgment

He's the owner. I don't any expects him to be completely out of the picture. Wouldn't you demand to be consulted before your team commits hundreds of millions of dollars to a player? That's normal for every owner. But he no longer has his hands in day to day operations. He is still an embarrassment alot of times, but he seems to be hands off in terms of the overarching strategy.

Dolan has never been Hands-Off of the Knicks decision-making after the Ewing trade .. that's why all the signing and trades for the past decade are so similar. Recall when one of Dolan's GM made a few trades in the offseason without Dolan's approval and were FIRED the day before training-camp open.
The only reason why Jason Kidd left the Cuban Mavs for the Knicks were so he could mentor Lin Sanity.
The 54 win season goes to Player/Coach Jason Kidd for playing missing practically every minute layup of the 4th quarter for the 54 WINS !!!

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GustavBahler wrote:

Nalod wrote:LOL!! I have discussed this stuff for years and how it tilted the direction of the franchise.
What I did not know was just how messed up that became.
That Dolan had taken a seemingly good idea and it got mucked up!!
Unreal. Remember Phil was bought in a few months later and Mills was demoted sort of to "GM" role.
This franchise never ceases to amaze me!

Dont believe it ever was a good idea. Throwing suits into the equation, the way they did.

That's what I said.
Was it good idea? You get benefit of hindsight. Paperwork aside, is evaluating practice with some metric a bad idea?
Doubt that. I recall Knick players wore some wireless thing to moniter how hard they worked in practice.
Mckinsey had a good idea but your right, being suit it got mucked up. LIke a lot of knick things: "Good idea, badly executed".