2. Knox and Randle: Both have a chance to be long-term starters and good #3 scorers. Probably lack star potential but can both be really good starting forwards moving forward.

3. Dennis Smith: He's in his own category because he has a chance to be really good, but still very much up in the air. Not a guaranteed high-level starter or long-term fixture, but still has big upside as a quality starter or 6th man.

4. Role Players: Trier, Dotson, Brazdeikis, Payton, Portis. Given their ages, they could all become good role players moving forward. Could make up an excellent bench. None of them have high level starter potential, but can be good reserves/fringe starters.

Am i accurate with how i rate this group moving forward?

JoeyBagadonuts wrote:Overall, a pretty fair ranking, although I’m more optimistic about Brazdeikis and Trier.

I don't know what to think of Trier. He is already one of the best iso players in the league but so was Trey Burke ( Burke was better ). What makes Trier potientally special is his 3 point shooting. The guy is already flirting with 40%. If he improves even slightly he will be one off the best 3 point shooters in the NBA. He also gets to the line at a high rate and hits 80% of his free throws.

JoeyBagadonuts wrote:Overall, a pretty fair ranking, although I’m more optimistic about Brazdeikis and Trier.

I think both are special....

Mitch
RJ
Iggy
Trier
Randle

Have star potential....

Knox was in that category, but he has to show me something this year.

Look at the learning opportunities those 5 or 6 players will get this year, playing with and hanging with blue collar vets.

Also I hope I'm wrong, but on defense he seems either too slow against smalls....too soft against bigs. I still dont know what position hes best at. He has problems at both SF and PF. If hes more consistent on offense, that will make up for his defensive issues.

blkexec wrote:

JoeyBagadonuts wrote:Overall, a pretty fair ranking, although I’m more optimistic about Brazdeikis and Trier.

I think both are special....

Mitch
RJ
Iggy
Trier
Randle

Have star potential....

Knox was in that category, but he has to show me something this year.

Look at the learning opportunities those 5 or 6 players will get this year, playing with and hanging with blue collar vets.

I definitely don’t see iggy or Trier having star potential. Maybe I’m underrating them a bit but I don’t see more than high level role players.

I cannot wait for the season to start and for the Knicks to prove everyone wrong. 30+ wins here we gooo

If Frank is still the best defender by mid season, with an improved offense....keeping him at a cheap salary is a no brainer. Out of all the NBA rosters, if we compare all of the 15th player or end of bench player, Frank is no way near as bad as the others. He still has potential and making well below the minimum salary.

blkexec wrote:

JoeyBagadonuts wrote:Overall, a pretty fair ranking, although I’m more optimistic about Brazdeikis and Trier.

I think both are special....

Mitch
RJ
Iggy
Trier
Randle

Have star potential....

Knox was in that category, but he has to show me something this year.

Look at the learning opportunities those 5 or 6 players will get this year, playing with and hanging with blue collar vets.

I may be in the minority but I think Knox will be the best of the "youngest" core. Think his game translates better to todays NBA game. He has the ability to get his shot off and favors the three. Think some dismiss others short comings but expect more from Knox at such a young age. If we think about it he has an above average three point shot and has the confidence to take it at a high click. His reads and court vision will come and is par for the course for most 19/20 year olds.

RJ seems like he will not be explosive but can take advantage of height differentials. See him as developing a similar game to harde. Maybe handling the ball and getting to the rim with savy instead of explosiveness. Seems to know how to draw fouls, as does Harden. Think once he improves his 3pt. shot he will be a tough cover for a SG.

Mitch is going to be around for years. Has and endless motor and natural ability on defense. Think he can improve his offense with a solid 10 footer. No reason as he has good form on foul shots. His trouble will come staying out of foul trouble. Dont see that to be an issue as that comes with experience.

Randle is probably the best short term potential. If he continues to improve as he has the last couple of years he will be a solid core player. Excellent PnR guy that woould go well with DSJR, RJ or any other PG.

Trier reminds me of a young Lou Williams. Instant offense. Think he will also be around for years. If he can develop better court vision and set others up on offense he will be better suited for a starting role.

Frank is a physical beast. He is already one of the best defenders on most rosters. He has little confidence on offense but I saw signs last year that showed the ability to average 15 plus. I was upset with Frank as our pick but I am buying low.

Smith Jr, I feel has the most potential to be our long awaited PG. Think he has very good court vision and likes to set others up on offense. Something most on here did not understand until last year. He has a bad hitch on his shot and should be something that can be changed. Seems like he did over the summer. Fixing it in a game is a different story. But if he does, and stays healthy, I see him as someone that will create easy shots for himself and others.

Iggy reminds me of Petrovic. (For old school guys), in the way he is crafty at getting to the hoop. He also has good elevation and LOADS of confidence. Something I look for in all the young players.

Not sure or about Portis. But with his size and ability he has a lot of potential and be the wild card.

Payton seems like a solid back up and one to run a second unit well. Outside shot may keep him as a back up.

Dotson, I think is ready now. Showed the ability to hit the three last year. COnfidence is high and I think may take the starting SG position. He also runs the floor and a solid defender. Of course I left him last but think he is the most likely to contribute early of the guys coming back from last year that did not start.

With that said, it all looks good on paper but we have A LOT of players that have something to prove. We shall see.

HofstraBBall wrote:

blkexec wrote:

JoeyBagadonuts wrote:Overall, a pretty fair ranking, although I’m more optimistic about Brazdeikis and Trier.

I think both are special....

Mitch
RJ
Iggy
Trier
Randle

Have star potential....

Knox was in that category, but he has to show me something this year.

Look at the learning opportunities those 5 or 6 players will get this year, playing with and hanging with blue collar vets.

I may be in the minority but I think Knox will be the best of the "youngest" core. Think his game translates better to todays NBA game. He has the ability to get his shot off and favors the three. Think some dismiss others short comings but expect more from Knox at such a young age. If we think about it he has an above average three point shot and has the confidence to take it at a high click. His reads and court vision will come and is par for the course for most 19/20 year olds.

RJ seems like he will not be explosive but can take advantage of height differentials. See him as developing a similar game to harde. Maybe handling the ball and getting to the rim with savy instead of explosiveness. Seems to know how to draw fouls, as does Harden. Think once he improves his 3pt. shot he will be a tough cover for a SG.

Mitch is going to be around for years. Has and endless motor and natural ability on defense. Think he can improve his offense with a solid 10 footer. No reason as he has good form on foul shots. His trouble will come staying out of foul trouble. Dont see that to be an issue as that comes with experience.

Randle is probably the best short term potential. If he continues to improve as he has the last couple of years he will be a solid core player. Excellent PnR guy that woould go well with DSJR, RJ or any other PG.

Trier reminds me of a young Lou Williams. Instant offense. Think he will also be around for years. If he can develop better court vision and set others up on offense he will be better suited for a starting role.

Frank is a physical beast. He is already one of the best defenders on most rosters. He has little confidence on offense but I saw signs last year that showed the ability to average 15 plus. I was upset with Frank as our pick but I am buying low.

Smith Jr, I feel has the most potential to be our long awaited PG. Think he has very good court vision and likes to set others up on offense. Something most on here did not understand until last year. He has a bad hitch on his shot and should be something that can be changed. Seems like he did over the summer. Fixing it in a game is a different story. But if he does, and stays healthy, I see him as someone that will create easy shots for himself and others.

Iggy reminds me of Petrovic. (For old school guys), in the way he is crafty at getting to the hoop. He also has good elevation and LOADS of confidence. Something I look for in all the young players.

Not sure or about Portis. But with his size and ability he has a lot of potential and be the wild card.

Payton seems like a solid back up and one to run a second unit well. Outside shot may keep him as a back up.

Dotson, I think is ready now. Showed the ability to hit the three last year. COnfidence is high and I think may take the starting SG position. He also runs the floor and a solid defender. Of course I left him last but think he is the most likely to contribute early of the guys coming back from last year that did not start.

With that said, it all looks good on paper but we have A LOT of players that have something to prove. We shall see.

Good takes. I agree about Knox. He is building on that outside shot. It thought how he finished last season was important. he had a string of good efficient games. Frank gets a rep for being injury prone. He played 78 games his rookie season. Last year he was very prone. Not sure what was the norm or the anomaly? If you hate on knicks and want to hate on they picked him, you label him prone. No words by any of us pro or con will speak louder than his game. Systems guy who defends well and passes too much. Really, he just has to hit like 2 more shots a game by improving his % incrementally.
Im not expecting a miracle. Frank and Knox incremental non starphuck improvements. Increments are boring. Winning isn't.

jrodmc wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

blkexec wrote:

JoeyBagadonuts wrote:Overall, a pretty fair ranking, although I’m more optimistic about Brazdeikis and Trier.

I think both are special....

Mitch
RJ
Iggy
Trier
Randle

Have star potential....

Knox was in that category, but he has to show me something this year.

Look at the learning opportunities those 5 or 6 players will get this year, playing with and hanging with blue collar vets.

I may be in the minority but I think Knox will be the best of the "youngest" core. Think his game translates better to todays NBA game. He has the ability to get his shot off and favors the three. Think some dismiss others short comings but expect more from Knox at such a young age. If we think about it he has an above average three point shot and has the confidence to take it at a high click. His reads and court vision will come and is par for the course for most 19/20 year olds.

RJ seems like he will not be explosive but can take advantage of height differentials. See him as developing a similar game to harde. Maybe handling the ball and getting to the rim with savy instead of explosiveness. Seems to know how to draw fouls, as does Harden. Think once he improves his 3pt. shot he will be a tough cover for a SG.

Mitch is going to be around for years. Has and endless motor and natural ability on defense. Think he can improve his offense with a solid 10 footer. No reason as he has good form on foul shots. His trouble will come staying out of foul trouble. Dont see that to be an issue as that comes with experience.

Randle is probably the best short term potential. If he continues to improve as he has the last couple of years he will be a solid core player. Excellent PnR guy that woould go well with DSJR, RJ or any other PG.

Trier reminds me of a young Lou Williams. Instant offense. Think he will also be around for years. If he can develop better court vision and set others up on offense he will be better suited for a starting role.

Frank is a physical beast. He is already one of the best defenders on most rosters. He has little confidence on offense but I saw signs last year that showed the ability to average 15 plus. I was upset with Frank as our pick but I am buying low.

Smith Jr, I feel has the most potential to be our long awaited PG. Think he has very good court vision and likes to set others up on offense. Something most on here did not understand until last year. He has a bad hitch on his shot and should be something that can be changed. Seems like he did over the summer. Fixing it in a game is a different story. But if he does, and stays healthy, I see him as someone that will create easy shots for himself and others.

Iggy reminds me of Petrovic. (For old school guys), in the way he is crafty at getting to the hoop. He also has good elevation and LOADS of confidence. Something I look for in all the young players.

Not sure or about Portis. But with his size and ability he has a lot of potential and be the wild card.

Payton seems like a solid back up and one to run a second unit well. Outside shot may keep him as a back up.

Dotson, I think is ready now. Showed the ability to hit the three last year. COnfidence is high and I think may take the starting SG position. He also runs the floor and a solid defender. Of course I left him last but think he is the most likely to contribute early of the guys coming back from last year that did not start.

With that said, it all looks good on paper but we have A LOT of players that have something to prove. We shall see.

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Petro! "In face of yours, mothahfukah!" Dropped 40 on MJ. My favorite Net next to Dr J. Iggy Pops definitely seems to have that sort of swagger.

I'm warming up to Frank only because so many of the new acquisitions are being reported as defensively challenged, and Fiz, despite his stupid push-up challenge to Mitch last season, doesn't come across as a defensive mastermind. And because reading the never ending Nalod versus knicks1248 feud is just getting tiring.

And it would be nice to have a D-beast in the backcourt with our SL MVP MitchRob in the front court. Positionless basketball, my azz. Frankie-long-arms on the ball, Mitch at the rim.

I want to believe in Frank but I’ve cooled on him because I’m seeing his issue isn’t talent or ability , it’s all mental. I’m not sure if he can ever get thru the mental block that’s preventing him from being aggressive offensively. Hopefully the Knicks have him spending time with a good sports psychologist to improve that aspect.