knicks1248 wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:Lets be honest the media craps on the Knicks because that the popular thing to do. Objectively the Knicks are a better team. Not saying we are guaranteed a playoff spot but the team has a good mixture of solid veterans and youth. Even last year we were competitive in most games but couldn't sustain it mostly because lack of depth and talent. We might not have the "sexy" names of free agency but the roster has talent.

Were you around in the 90's when we had one star and bunch of blue collar role player that weren't that talented, That's what playing hard was all about...

The knicks may have lack talent, but they coaching staff suffered the most from lack of preparation, focusness, chemistry, commitment and energy.

This roster is better, but the talent is almost even at every position, and it's going to take a hellu've coaching job to get it done, because everyone is going to feel like they should play.

It's also so tough to play relax when you know any mistake can't get you benched

Nalod wrote:Knicks1248. Good point. Riley had done a super job with that team!
maybe, we should hire one of Pats protégé' guys to coach the knicks?

smackeddog wrote:Honestly, the best thing I did was stop watching and listening to ESPN (bar the odd youtube clip posted on boards/twitter) and start listening and watching fan podcasts and shows- they're critical but fair and sometimes funny. made following the Knicks fun and interesting again:

Knicks Fan TV:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4w7Wl5Ptq4A10attECLflg

It's A Hard Knick's Life:

https://soundcloud.com/itsahardknickslife

Knick's Film School:

http://knicksfilmschoolpod.libsyn.com

Nalod wrote:Knicks1248. Good point. Riley had done a super job with that team!
maybe, we should hire one of Pats protégé' guys to coach the knicks?

fishmike wrote:

Nalod wrote:Knicks1248. Good point. Riley had done a super job with that team!
maybe, we should hire one of Pats protégé' guys to coach the knicks?

he advocated for that, said we should be more like the Heat, then when we hire from the Riley/Spolstra coaching tree we get this. At least he's super consistent

fishmike wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:Lets be honest the media craps on the Knicks because that the popular thing to do. Objectively the Knicks are a better team. Not saying we are guaranteed a playoff spot but the team has a good mixture of solid veterans and youth. Even last year we were competitive in most games but couldn't sustain it mostly because lack of depth and talent. We might not have the "sexy" names of free agency but the roster has talent.

Were you around in the 90's when we had one star and bunch of blue collar role player that weren't that talented, That's what playing hard was all about...

The knicks may have lack talent, but they coaching staff suffered the most from lack of preparation, focusness, chemistry, commitment and energy.

This roster is better, but the talent is almost even at every position, and it's going to take a hellu've coaching job to get it done, because everyone is going to feel like they should play.

It's also so tough to play relax when you know any mistake can't get you benched

lacked talent? I seem to remember a HOF player and one of the best two players in the league surrounded by a host of high end role players. Lack of talent? Again... tells me you dont understand what you are seeing. Knicks went to two finals during that era. Maybe you need to go back and see who was playing the minutes and come back me with that "lack of talent" total and utter BS

Here's the teams
https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/NYK/1994.html
https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/NYK/1999.html

two very different teams, both loaded with talent.

You would compare those teams to this.. so utterly stupid. Those Knick teams in the 90s were loaded, the Knick payroll always among if not the highest and those teams always went 8 deep. Your memory is working as well as your logic.

Dude we made the playoffs for 14 straight season and you pull up 2 championship yrs..that's pretty narrow minded and troll worthy..

JVG always had the knicks in the P/O even when we were not the most talented, and they almost always out hustle the other team..

last yrs NETs and Clippers teams were well coached and they played really hard, and they were not that talented, the clips even gave away Tobias and didnt miss a beat..neither were projected to sniff the playoffs( 29, 36 wins projected) that's what I mean my preparation, chemistry, hard work, focus, commitment..

Are you telling me you saw any of that with the knicks last season..heck, when I told you in january (when JH was the coach)that the players stop playing for JH..you said something just as stupid and that ended up being one of the main reasons he got fired..

You just pick up on sht late, then when it happens you have no words, you look for some other nonsense to prove your point..like..oh he wasn't a perry hire...nobody gets fired for doing a good job

TripleThreat wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:Lets be honest the media craps on the Knicks because that the popular thing to do. Objectively the Knicks are a better team. Not saying we are guaranteed a playoff spot but the team has a good mixture of solid veterans and youth. Even last year we were competitive in most games but couldn't sustain it mostly because lack of depth and talent. We might not have the "sexy" names of free agency but the roster has talent.

Were you around in the 90's when we had one star and bunch of blue collar role player that weren't that talented, That's what playing hard was all about...

The knicks may have lack talent, but they coaching staff suffered the most from lack of preparation, focusness, chemistry, commitment and energy.

This roster is better, but the talent is almost even at every position, and it's going to take a hellu've coaching job to get it done, because everyone is going to feel like they should play.

It's also so tough to play relax when you know any mistake can't get you benched

The Pat Riley version of the Knicks played in a different era, with a different league culture, and with a style of ball that has since been LEGISLATED OUT OF THE ENTIRE LEAGUE.

Not just the style of play, but the traditional "enforcer" was also cycled out of the league ( Danny Fortson might have been the last one)

I don't know where this "developing players" crap comes from to be honest. It's not like Frank would be an All Star with a different coach.

MOST DRAFTEES JUST DON'T PAN OUT. MOST AREN'T TALENTED ENOUGH OR CAN'T ADJUST TO THE NBA GAME SPEED. That's it.

While I agree Frank isn't an All Star being coached by Pops, riley, or even say, Phil the Christ, ALL OF THE NUMBER 8 PICKS IN THE LAST DECADE AT LEAST PANNED IN.
Frank just sucks and is injury prone, for a number 8 pick. No way to put butter on ****, no matter how young he is.

Draft Pick Number 8

Year Player School/Country – Team

2017 Frank Ntilikina, France – New York Knicks
2016 Marquese Chriss, Washington – Sacramento Kings
2015 Stanley Johnson, Arizona – Detroit Pistons
2014 Nik Stauskas, Michigan – Sacramento Kings
2013 Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, Georgia – Detroit Pistons
2012 Terrence Ross, Washington – Toronto Raptors
2011 Brandon Knight, Kentucky – Detroit Pistons
2010 Al-Farouq Aminu, Wake Forest – L.A. Clippers

2000’s

2009 Jordan Hill, Arizona – New York Knicks
2008 Joe Alexander, West Virginia – Milwaukee Bucks
2007 Brandan Wright, North Carolina – Charlotte Bobcats (Draft rights traded to Golden State Warriors)
2006 Rudy Gay, Connecticut – Houston Rockets (Draft rights traded to Memphis Grizzlies)
2005 Channing Frye, Arizona – New York Knicks
2004 Rafael Araujo, BYU – Toronto Raptors
2003 T.J. Ford, Texas – Milwaukee Bucks
2002 Chris Wilcox, Maryland – L.A. Clippers
2001 DeSagana Diop, Oak Hill Academy (Va.) – Cleveland Cavaliers
2000 Jamal Crawford, Michigan – Cleveland Cavaliers (Draft rights traded to Chicago Bulls)

1990’s

1999 Andre Miller, Utah – Cleveland Cavaliers
1998 Larry Hughes, Saint Louis – Philadelphia 76ers
1997 Adonal Foyle, Colgate – Golden State Warriors
1996 Kerry Kittles, Villanova – New Jersey Nets
1995 Shawn Respert, Michigan State – Portland Trail Blazers (Draft rights traded to Milwaukee Bucks)
1994 Brian Grant, Xavier – Sacramento Kings
1993 Vin Baker, Hartford – Milwaukee Bucks
1992 Todd Day, Arkansas – Milwaukee Bucks
1991 Mark Macon, Temple – Denver Nuggets
1990 Bo Kimble, Loyola Marymount – L.A. Clippers

knicks1248 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:Lets be honest the media craps on the Knicks because that the popular thing to do. Objectively the Knicks are a better team. Not saying we are guaranteed a playoff spot but the team has a good mixture of solid veterans and youth. Even last year we were competitive in most games but couldn't sustain it mostly because lack of depth and talent. We might not have the "sexy" names of free agency but the roster has talent.

Were you around in the 90's when we had one star and bunch of blue collar role player that weren't that talented, That's what playing hard was all about...

The knicks may have lack talent, but they coaching staff suffered the most from lack of preparation, focusness, chemistry, commitment and energy.

This roster is better, but the talent is almost even at every position, and it's going to take a hellu've coaching job to get it done, because everyone is going to feel like they should play.

It's also so tough to play relax when you know any mistake can't get you benched

The Pat Riley version of the Knicks played in a different era, with a different league culture, and with a style of ball that has since been LEGISLATED OUT OF THE ENTIRE LEAGUE.

Not just the style of play, but the traditional "enforcer" was also cycled out of the league ( Danny Fortson might have been the last one)

I don't know where this "developing players" crap comes from to be honest. It's not like Frank would be an All Star with a different coach.

MOST DRAFTEES JUST DON'T PAN OUT. MOST AREN'T TALENTED ENOUGH OR CAN'T ADJUST TO THE NBA GAME SPEED. That's it.

While I agree Frank isn't an All Star being coached by Pops, riley, or even say, Phil the Christ, ALL OF THE NUMBER 8 PICKS IN THE LAST DECADE AT LEAST PANNED IN.
Frank just sucks and is injury prone, for a number 8 pick. No way to put butter on ****, no matter how young he is.

Draft Pick Number 8

Year Player School/Country – Team

2017 Frank Ntilikina, France – New York Knicks
2016 Marquese Chriss, Washington – Sacramento Kings
2015 Stanley Johnson, Arizona – Detroit Pistons
2014 Nik Stauskas, Michigan – Sacramento Kings
2013 Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, Georgia – Detroit Pistons
2012 Terrence Ross, Washington – Toronto Raptors
2011 Brandon Knight, Kentucky – Detroit Pistons
2010 Al-Farouq Aminu, Wake Forest – L.A. Clippers

2000’s

2009 Jordan Hill, Arizona – New York Knicks
2008 Joe Alexander, West Virginia – Milwaukee Bucks
2007 Brandan Wright, North Carolina – Charlotte Bobcats (Draft rights traded to Golden State Warriors)
2006 Rudy Gay, Connecticut – Houston Rockets (Draft rights traded to Memphis Grizzlies)
2005 Channing Frye, Arizona – New York Knicks
2004 Rafael Araujo, BYU – Toronto Raptors
2003 T.J. Ford, Texas – Milwaukee Bucks
2002 Chris Wilcox, Maryland – L.A. Clippers
2001 DeSagana Diop, Oak Hill Academy (Va.) – Cleveland Cavaliers
2000 Jamal Crawford, Michigan – Cleveland Cavaliers (Draft rights traded to Chicago Bulls)

1990’s

1999 Andre Miller, Utah – Cleveland Cavaliers
1998 Larry Hughes, Saint Louis – Philadelphia 76ers
1997 Adonal Foyle, Colgate – Golden State Warriors
1996 Kerry Kittles, Villanova – New Jersey Nets
1995 Shawn Respert, Michigan State – Portland Trail Blazers (Draft rights traded to Milwaukee Bucks)
1994 Brian Grant, Xavier – Sacramento Kings
1993 Vin Baker, Hartford – Milwaukee Bucks
1992 Todd Day, Arkansas – Milwaukee Bucks
1991 Mark Macon, Temple – Denver Nuggets
1990 Bo Kimble, Loyola Marymount – L.A. Clippers

2 days before the 2017 draft I posted this same point on how the #8 pick never produces an all star, and how we should have traded up or down...But here comes the trolls.

Even when they see things with their own 2 eyes some fans will be in straight denial..

Lets say your correct and the 8th pick is not of high value, are you to assume this is proprietary intelligence that you and the knicks only know?
Lets go there even if so.....
What was your actual offer to trade down? What team and what picks in return? Naturally Donovan Mitchell but hell that's just too easy right? You on record saying if we get X pick(s) you take specific players?
Diving in a just a bit more who said the Knicks, or anyone in the NBA expects an allstar with the 8th pick since it is such a rare occurrence? Does the 7th and 9th pick actually do better? Is there some secret double quad mystery formula that prohibits this? Like a Mummy Curse?
Seems like any person can look at the list and say "Looks about 50-50 we end up with a good player". Not an allstar.

"Never produces an allster"..... Never say never. Vin Baker 4 times. Some good players on that list had solid careers. Am I being picky? Your words speak for you. Literally.

Your not accountable at the moment a decision has to be made. its easy to say "We should trade down". In fact, you can say that every year then cherry pick who you would have taken later. that's hindsight. Reason we troll you is you think you all that. Your not, your a hindsight drunk uncle thinking you got the answers. You don't know the questions. So go back, two days before and reconstruct a deal that you can say would have yielded better results with clarity, detail and accuracy. Then you can boast.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:Lets be honest the media craps on the Knicks because that the popular thing to do. Objectively the Knicks are a better team. Not saying we are guaranteed a playoff spot but the team has a good mixture of solid veterans and youth. Even last year we were competitive in most games but couldn't sustain it mostly because lack of depth and talent. We might not have the "sexy" names of free agency but the roster has talent.

Were you around in the 90's when we had one star and bunch of blue collar role player that weren't that talented, That's what playing hard was all about...

The knicks may have lack talent, but they coaching staff suffered the most from lack of preparation, focusness, chemistry, commitment and energy.

This roster is better, but the talent is almost even at every position, and it's going to take a hellu've coaching job to get it done, because everyone is going to feel like they should play.

It's also so tough to play relax when you know any mistake can't get you benched

The Pat Riley version of the Knicks played in a different era, with a different league culture, and with a style of ball that has since been LEGISLATED OUT OF THE ENTIRE LEAGUE.

Not just the style of play, but the traditional "enforcer" was also cycled out of the league ( Danny Fortson might have been the last one)

I don't know where this "developing players" crap comes from to be honest. It's not like Frank would be an All Star with a different coach.

MOST DRAFTEES JUST DON'T PAN OUT. MOST AREN'T TALENTED ENOUGH OR CAN'T ADJUST TO THE NBA GAME SPEED. That's it.

While I agree Frank isn't an All Star being coached by Pops, riley, or even say, Phil the Christ, ALL OF THE NUMBER 8 PICKS IN THE LAST DECADE AT LEAST PANNED IN.
Frank just sucks and is injury prone, for a number 8 pick. No way to put butter on ****, no matter how young he is.

Draft Pick Number 8

Year Player School/Country – Team

2017 Frank Ntilikina, France – New York Knicks
2016 Marquese Chriss, Washington – Sacramento Kings
2015 Stanley Johnson, Arizona – Detroit Pistons
2014 Nik Stauskas, Michigan – Sacramento Kings
2013 Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, Georgia – Detroit Pistons
2012 Terrence Ross, Washington – Toronto Raptors
2011 Brandon Knight, Kentucky – Detroit Pistons
2010 Al-Farouq Aminu, Wake Forest – L.A. Clippers

2000’s

2009 Jordan Hill, Arizona – New York Knicks
2008 Joe Alexander, West Virginia – Milwaukee Bucks
2007 Brandan Wright, North Carolina – Charlotte Bobcats (Draft rights traded to Golden State Warriors)
2006 Rudy Gay, Connecticut – Houston Rockets (Draft rights traded to Memphis Grizzlies)
2005 Channing Frye, Arizona – New York Knicks
2004 Rafael Araujo, BYU – Toronto Raptors
2003 T.J. Ford, Texas – Milwaukee Bucks
2002 Chris Wilcox, Maryland – L.A. Clippers
2001 DeSagana Diop, Oak Hill Academy (Va.) – Cleveland Cavaliers
2000 Jamal Crawford, Michigan – Cleveland Cavaliers (Draft rights traded to Chicago Bulls)

1990’s

1999 Andre Miller, Utah – Cleveland Cavaliers
1998 Larry Hughes, Saint Louis – Philadelphia 76ers
1997 Adonal Foyle, Colgate – Golden State Warriors
1996 Kerry Kittles, Villanova – New Jersey Nets
1995 Shawn Respert, Michigan State – Portland Trail Blazers (Draft rights traded to Milwaukee Bucks)
1994 Brian Grant, Xavier – Sacramento Kings
1993 Vin Baker, Hartford – Milwaukee Bucks
1992 Todd Day, Arkansas – Milwaukee Bucks
1991 Mark Macon, Temple – Denver Nuggets
1990 Bo Kimble, Loyola Marymount – L.A. Clippers

2 days before the 2017 draft I posted this same point on how the #8 pick never produces an all star, and how we should have traded up or down...But here comes the trolls.

Even when they see things with their own 2 eyes some fans will be in straight denial..

Lets say your correct and the 8th pick is not of high value, are you to assume this is proprietary intelligence that you and the knicks only know?
Lets go there even if so.....
What was your actual offer to trade down? What team and what picks in return? Naturally Donovan Mitchell but hell that's just too easy right? You on record saying if we get X pick(s) you take specific players?
Diving in a just a bit more who said the Knicks, or anyone in the NBA expects an allstar with the 8th pick since it is such a rare occurrence? Does the 7th and 9th pick actually do better? Is there some secret double quad mystery formula that prohibits this? Like a Mummy Curse?
Seems like any person can look at the list and say "Looks about 50-50 we end up with a good player". Not an allstar.

"Never produces an allster"..... Never say never. Vin Baker 4 times. Some good players on that list had solid careers. Am I being picky? Your words speak for you. Literally.

Your not accountable at the moment a decision has to be made. its easy to say "We should trade down". In fact, you can say that every year then cherry pick who you would have taken later. that's hindsight. Reason we troll you is you think you all that. Your not, your a hindsight drunk uncle thinking you got the answers. You don't know the questions. So go back, two days before and reconstruct a deal that you can say would have yielded better results with clarity, detail and accuracy. Then you can boast.

He says that pretty much every year at the draft. "we need to trade down or trade all our picks for veterans." By his own admission he doesn't believe in the draft

I was thinking "Mummy Curse"!