MS wrote:Trae Young looked terrible during summer league last year, it’s just one game.

His shot looks a little flat, doesn’t have tremendous bounce in his body. Definitely takes time to
Figure out specific gears and it was a scene last night. He’s not going to be a star anytime soon, but has good composure so hopefully he starts putting in the work.

Zion looked 15 pounds heavier and unbelievably out of shape. His athleticism is just mind blowing that he can explode that way with that much force playing into shape.

The difference is Tre Young looked good in college. Barrett scares the hell out of me. We need him to be very good when most likely he will be a similar talent to Wiggins. Knicks still don't get that 3 point shooting and perimeter defense is the way to win in this league. I feel like we are still building a team with the last decade in mind. Going after high volume poor scorers.

Jmpasq wrote:

MS wrote:Trae Young looked terrible during summer league last year, it’s just one game.

His shot looks a little flat, doesn’t have tremendous bounce in his body. Definitely takes time to
Figure out specific gears and it was a scene last night. He’s not going to be a star anytime soon, but has good composure so hopefully he starts putting in the work.

Zion looked 15 pounds heavier and unbelievably out of shape. His athleticism is just mind blowing that he can explode that way with that much force playing into shape.

The difference is Tre Young looked good in college. Barrett scares the hell out of me. We need him to be very good when most likely he will be a similar talent to Wiggins. Knicks still don't get that 3 point shooting and perimeter defense is the way to win in this league. I feel like we are still building a team with the last decade in mind. Going after high volume poor scorers.

I’m pretty sure it’s why they signed guys like Bullock, Wayne Ellington and Elfrid. Not perfect solutions but good enough

Jmpasq wrote:

martin wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

MS wrote:Trae Young looked terrible during summer league last year, it’s just one game.

His shot looks a little flat, doesn’t have tremendous bounce in his body. Definitely takes time to
Figure out specific gears and it was a scene last night. He’s not going to be a star anytime soon, but has good composure so hopefully he starts putting in the work.

Zion looked 15 pounds heavier and unbelievably out of shape. His athleticism is just mind blowing that he can explode that way with that much force playing into shape.

The difference is Tre Young looked good in college. Barrett scares the hell out of me. We need him to be very good when most likely he will be a similar talent to Wiggins. Knicks still don't get that 3 point shooting and perimeter defense is the way to win in this league. I feel like we are still building a team with the last decade in mind. Going after high volume poor scorers.

I’m pretty sure it’s why they signed guys like Bullock, Wayne Ellington and Elfrid. Not perfect solutions but good enough

Yes but those guys aren't part of our future. The team is Robinson, Barrett, Knox, DSJr, Trier, and Dotson. Out of those I see 2 with legit star potiental Robinson and Barrett. Hopefully Knox and Dennis Smith Jr. can be servicable starters but Im skeptical. Trier and DOtson can be role players. SOme of these guys we have to make decisions on already after this year. How much is Dotson worth? Trier? If you want to keep flexibility the Knicks can't overextend ourselves on them. If we don't keep them, than what was the point? You can get in a never ending cycle of "developing" young players.

Point is having the young players learn from vets who will act as a bridge to contention. Good enough to show the young core things about the game they haven't learned or shown yet.

Everybody was writing Boston's epitaph, when they lost two core players. They had the flexibility to sign one of the biggest gets of the FA market. Thats what Perry/Mills are trying to do, develop players while they wait for the right time to strike. Havent heard it mentioned that Perry might pull off a big trade during the season. More than one way to land quality players.

Jmpasq wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

martin wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

MS wrote:Trae Young looked terrible during summer league last year, it’s just one game.

His shot looks a little flat, doesn’t have tremendous bounce in his body. Definitely takes time to
Figure out specific gears and it was a scene last night. He’s not going to be a star anytime soon, but has good composure so hopefully he starts putting in the work.

Zion looked 15 pounds heavier and unbelievably out of shape. His athleticism is just mind blowing that he can explode that way with that much force playing into shape.

The difference is Tre Young looked good in college. Barrett scares the hell out of me. We need him to be very good when most likely he will be a similar talent to Wiggins. Knicks still don't get that 3 point shooting and perimeter defense is the way to win in this league. I feel like we are still building a team with the last decade in mind. Going after high volume poor scorers.

I’m pretty sure it’s why they signed guys like Bullock, Wayne Ellington and Elfrid. Not perfect solutions but good enough

Yes but those guys aren't part of our future. The team is Robinson, Barrett, Knox, DSJr, Trier, and Dotson. Out of those I see 2 with legit star potiental Robinson and Barrett. Hopefully Knox and Dennis Smith Jr. can be servicable starters but Im skeptical. Trier and DOtson can be role players. SOme of these guys we have to make decisions on already after this year. How much is Dotson worth? Trier? If you want to keep flexibility the Knicks can't overextend ourselves on them. If we don't keep them, than what was the point? You can get in a never ending cycle of "developing" young players.

Point is having the young players learn from vets who will act as a bridge to contention. Good enough to show the young core things about the game they haven't learned or shown yet.

Everybody was writing Boston's epitaph, when they lost two core players. They had the flexibility to sign one of the biggest gets of the FA market. Thats what Perry/Mills are trying to do, develop players while they wait for the right time to strike. Havent heard it mentioned that Perry might pull off a big trade during the season. More than one way to land quality players.

It scares me seeing the haul of picks the Thunder got for George. No way in hell Id give that up for him and especially not for Westbrook.

Clips were desperate and on the clock. Don't think of it as them trading for George, but George and Kawhi. OKC wouldn't get that haul under normal circumstances.

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bigjeep8 wrote:Barrett didn't show me any special talent!

Well I guess we should cut him then. Lots of NBA scouts showing up here. Hard to believe anyone would be concerned after the first summer league game for a 19 year old. I’d be more concerned if he was the finished product now.

Curious, why is it that every time nowadays anyone, even die hard Knicks fans who want the team to win, who happen to mention possible concerns, or raise questions, are turned into wild haters who only see the negative, and responses like this come about?

We should cut him? Really? What sane Knick fan thinks or says that ridiculousness???

Why is that the only possible response here? Shwinny Pooh and some other well known/regarded KNick Twitter posters go bananas if you just mention the possibility that he might not be as great as some hype him up, and therefore must be blind. I commented that it was interesting to note that the performance last night was too early to believe, but still was reminiscent of concerns some had mentioned, and all I heard was literally "It's one game" which is exactly what I said:

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I even like Shwinny! And the other dude...both, what is going on?!? I was being crazy there? Really? I thought I was trying to be reasonable? We are really sensitive now, huh? Am I misreading this?

This is Trump-like "Fake news" bs that is growing tiresome even as I am one who does think there are reporters who dislike the Knicks, some for some good reason just FYI (including the Daily News and Ho Beck), but who also struggle to see anything positive.

During the game thread another poster here doing a similar thing trying to say all I do is talk negatively about the team. That's beyond wild to me. I know we're a burnt fanbase (hey, I'm a perfect example) who's tired of the negative comments on the team. I get it.

Yet, not everyone who criticizes the Knicks or players is automatically worth dismissing. I am one of the hugest Knick lovers of all time on here, but now I'm a hater?

lol Knicks fans (I feel your pain)

BigDaddyG wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:This very accurate as for what I saw. underwhelming is not an overstatement.

First game - his energy was LOW. Too low.

Good news is that he will only get bettter from here.

remember trae young from the first summer league game? we were all beating up on him

Heck, I remember Derrick Rose's entire SL run his rookie year. That was putrid. That said, I try to look at how a player looks around other NBA caliber athletes, not so much stats. If anyone was a but underwhelming, it was Kareem Allen. We needed a vet pg to organize the team in this chaotic atmosphere.

PresIke wrote:

knickslions wrote:

bigjeep8 wrote:Barrett didn't show me any special talent!

Well I guess we should cut him then. Lots of NBA scouts showing up here. Hard to believe anyone would be concerned after the first summer league game for a 19 year old. I’d be more concerned if he was the finished product now.

Curious, why is it that every time nowadays anyone, even die hard Knicks fans who want the team to win, who happen to mention possible concerns, or raise questions, are turned into wild haters who only see the negative, and responses like this come about?

We should cut him? Really? What sane Knick fan thinks or says that ridiculousness???

Why is that the only possible response here? Shwinny Pooh and some other well known/regarded KNick Twitter posters go bananas if you just mention the possibility that he might not be as great as some hype him up, and therefore must be blind. I commented that it was interesting to note that the performance last night was too early to believe, but still was reminiscent of concerns some had mentioned, and all I heard was literally "It's one game" which is exactly what I said:

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/knickerbacker/status/1147344801102258176

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/IsaacBasker/status/1147347922528493568

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https://twitter.com/knickerbacker/status/1147348086391545860

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https://twitter.com/IsaacBasker/status/1147348421512183808

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https://twitter.com/IsaacBasker/status/1147348626680811520

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https://twitter.com/shwinnypooh/status/1147348208814891008

I even like Shwinny! And the other dude...both, what is going on?!? I was being crazy there? Really? I thought I was trying to be reasonable? We are really sensitive now, huh? Am I misreading this?

This is Trump-like "Fake news" bs that is growing tiresome even as I am one who does think there are reporters who dislike the Knicks, some for some good reason just FYI (including the Daily News and Ho Beck), but who also struggle to see anything positive.

During the game thread another poster here doing a similar thing trying to say all I do is talk negatively about the team. That's beyond wild to me. I know we're a burnt fanbase (hey, I'm a perfect example) who's tired of the negative comments on the team. I get it.

Yet, not everyone who criticizes the Knicks or players is automatically worth dismissing. I am one of the hugest Knick lovers of all time on here, but now I'm a hater?

lol Knicks fans (I feel your pain)

I got sarcasm from knickslion. I think he was said fans over reacting.

My take on RJs game is this...

A lot of people were comparing him to Harden which I found to be kinda lazy. Other than being left handed and being a guard, I don't see any other similarities.

RJ in the last 2 SL games showed that he doesn't have the skills yet in this level to take players off the dribble on a one-on-one situation. He doesn't have that quick twitch attribute. He also was trying to show that he can go right and I think that was a mistake. Right now, he just needs to show to go right then take it back to his strong hand and finish. Players were waiting for him to take 2 steps going right and they jump on him. Maybe a 1 step dribble to the right then floater with the right hand can help him.

He is new. I always tell my players, always use what you are good at. Sprinkle a little of what you are weak at just to keep the defender honest.

He needed to be more on the move. He was successful going to the rim when he catches the ball on the move. His troubles occur when he catches the ball an then goes on a triple threat stance. He just doesn't have that skillset at this level yet.

I like the rebounding aspect of his game. He goes for anything he can get.

Not a fan of the long 3s.

FT is fixable. He has good form. He just needs confidence.

Dribbling is a little high. Need to drive with a lean then explode.

He is going to be fine. He has a lot of attributes that is not coachable.

He does remind me of DeMar Derozan. I want to see if he can also do the spin move.