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The Biggest Loser? A Defense of the New York Knicks Offseason (B/R)
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7/4/2019  7:51 PM
In this new world where the Knicks bullying has reached new highs and fans chose to create their own narrative to either defend or hate the franchise, this is a fair assessment of everything that has happened to the Knicks recently and how the outlook is today.

It’s worth a read:

It's almost as if the universe didn't want Kevin Durant to be a New York Knickerbocker.

While team owner—pardon, governor—Jim Dolan and his front office are being lambasted far and wide for failing to land Durant or any of this summer's other superstar free agents after clearing salary-cap space to potentially sign not just one, but two of them, it's hard to imagine a greater host of circumstances beyond their control conspiring against them.

Let's run down the list of low blows, shall we?


1. The injury

It all starts with Durant rupturing his right Achilles tendon in Game 5 of the NBA Finals and Kyrie Irving pole-axing his reputation as a leader with the Boston Celtics. Prior to all that, multiple league sources had the Knicks in prime position to be Durant's next landing spot. They were on good terms with his business manager, Rich Kleiman, who also happened to be a longtime Knicks fan with a self-ascribed desire to one day be part of the organization. They had his close friend and former teammate, Royal Ivey, as an assistant coach and had also acquired another one of his BFFs, DeAndre Jordan, from the Dallas Mavericks last season. Few people in the NBA had been tracking Durant longer than Scott Perry, an assistant GM with the Seattle SuperSonics when they drafted Durant and now the Knicks GM. And they created salary-cap space not only to sign Durant but also Irving, with whom they knew Durant had interest in playing.

The duo had envisioned playing on the same NBA team ever since they spent time together on the gold-medal-winning 2016 Olympic team. They then met in the Bay Area during the Finals while Durant was nursing his original injury, a strained right calf, and again in New York after he had surgery to repair his ruptured Achilles, sources say. They talked extensively about not only playing together but also operating as business partners in the New York area.

But the prospect of having the Knicks' young ensemble of talent—Mitchell Robinson, Kevin Knox and No. 3 pick RJ Barrett—led for a year by Irving, whose condescending attitude had just alienated a similar corps of young talent in Boston, gave management pause. Sources who had conversations with Durant after the Achilles injury, meanwhile, say his concern about what he might be when he returns crystallized his desire to have another bona fide star by his side. The Knicks might have been able to accommodate that even without signing Kyrie, if not for…


2. The draft lottery

Despite having the worst record in the NBA at 17-65, the Knicks watched a pair of 33-win teams, the New Orleans Pelicans and Memphis Grizzlies, leapfrog them under the league's revised draft lottery system to snare the first and second picks, respectively. Now, there was no indication that any of the top stars were pining for the chance to play with No. 1 pick Zion Williamson, but had the Knicks landed the first pick back in mid-May, they could've dangled it as trade bait to acquire established star Anthony Davis from the Pelicans. It also might've made it still possible to sign Irving, since he wouldn't, arguably, be the team's best player and, by default, its leader.

Instead, the Pelicans got the No. 1 pick. And when the Lakers secured the fourth selection, L.A. had the final piece it needed to trade for Davis, while the Pelicans got a host of present and future assets to build around their brand-new big man.


3. The trade

There was a point at which the Knicks did have a young big man Durant clearly admired—Kristaps Porzingis. In 2016, Durant dubbed him "a unicorn" for his unique combination of size (7'3"), scoring range (career 36% on 3s) and rebounding (7.1 per game), which earned him an All-Star berth in his third season.

The problem was that Porzingis (a) never actually appeared in the All-Star Game thanks to a major injury of his own (torn ACL in his left knee), and (b) didn't seem to distinguish between the Knicks' new management—Perry and coach David Fizdale—and their predecessors, Phil Jackson and Jeff Hornacek.

Porzingis skipped his exit interview with Jackson at the end of the 2017-18 season, and although Fizdale spent a week in Latvia visiting with him, and Perry cultivated a relationship with his brother and agent, Janis, the Knicks collectively were never convinced that Porzingis wanted to stay.

That became clear at the start of the new year when the Knicks tried to get a firm understanding of Porzingis' intentions. After several postponements, league sources say the Porzingis brothers walked into a February meeting, declared they didn't like the team's culture and demanded to be traded within a week either to the Brooklyn Nets, Los Angeles Clippers, Miami Heat or Toronto Raptors. If the Knicks failed to do so, Porzingis threatened to return to Spain for the remainder of the season and make himself unavailable until he could enter free agency.

Sensing the relationship was not salvageable even before the brothers' demand, the team had already begun exploring what Porzingis' trade value might be. When Porzingis presented New York with his ultimatum, league sources say the Knicks quickly pivoted and used him to clear additional cap space by sending him along with Tim Hardaway, Jr., Courtney Lee and Trey Burke to the Dallas Mavericks for two future first-round picks, Dennis Smith Jr., Jordan and veteran Wes Matthews. The combination of hefty contracts going out and expiring ones coming in expanded their potential cap space to $74.5 million.


4. The Kawhi factor

All along, team sources say, the Knicks graded Kawhi Leonard and Durant as the only players truly worthy of a max salary, and their dream scenario was to sign that duo, rather than Durant and Irving. Durant, sources with knowledge of his thinking say, was open to teaming up with Leonard rather than Irving, at least on the court, but Leonard would only entertain that possibility with the Clippers, while Durant was set on doing it in New York.

It didn't help that Leonard was facing the prospect of jumping from a championship-winning squad to the league's worst and leading it for at least a year without Durant.

Leonard, a source with knowledge of his free-agency exploration schedule said, offered to meet with the Knicks on July 3. With no assurance the meeting would be fruitful, the team faced the prospect of seeing Leonard sign elsewhere, Durant do the same as a result and then perusing a free-agency market already picked clean of players who would have been available to them. Instead, they opted to forgo a meeting with Leonard and collected a core of mostly young talent with still-to-be-determined potential and solid work ethics—guys such as Julius Randle, Bobby Portis and Reggie Bullock—on shorter deals with team options, essentially allowing them to be more competitive next season while maintaining their flexibility to be players on the free-agent market in 2020 and in 2021.

The '20 class is not nearly as star-studded as this summer, but there are a handful of intriguing names. The unrestricted list is led by Davis, who league sources say has vowed to explore free agency with the Knicks and the Lakers as his top two teams. The restricted free-agent scroll includes several young talents with franchises that could face a burdensome tax bill to retain them: Toronto's 2019 Most Improved Player Pascal Siakam, Boston's Jaylen Brown, the Nets' Caris LaVert and the Pacers' Domantas Sabonis.

Then there's 2021, when Leonard could potentially be on the market again looking for a supermax salary as part of a free-agent class as starry as this one. Giannis Antetokounmpo, Bradley Beal and Paul George are among the more than half-dozen young cornerstone players who could be available.

The reaction from opposing league executives to the Knicks' moves has been mixed. Some still find fault in the fact that they traded Porzingis without getting a proven star back in return. Some portray them as having abjectly failed by not finding a way to land Durant in spite of all the issues that arose. Others applauded them for not overreacting by offering max contracts to lesser talent in hopes of softening the blowback from missing out on Durant.

There are also one or two decision makers in the league who wonder if, just maybe, the universe actually did the Knicks a favor, that Irving is sure to create another toxic spill, and Durant's age and Achilles may prompt an inexorable decline.

There's no way of knowing just yet. For now, it's easier to imagine karma wreaking havoc on Dolan and his franchise, as it seemingly has for decades. At some point, though, their fortunes have to turn, just as they did for the long downtrodden Golden State Warriors. Have to. Right?

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2844180-the-biggest-loser-a-defense-of-the-new-york-knicks-offseason

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7/4/2019  9:29 PM
That was great. Thanks for posting it.
I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
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7/4/2019  10:06 PM
The smartest thing the Knicks did is not giving Durant a max contract. It's a given that he won't play next season and there's a reasonable chance that he'll never be the same player after that.
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7/4/2019  10:47 PM
Ira wrote:The smartest thing the Knicks did is not giving Durant a max contract. It's a given that he won't play next season and there's a reasonable chance that he'll never be the same player after that.
He probably has a recovery year like Heyward did this year. That puts him at 33 when he is really back. At that point you have to assume that with age and the injury he wouldn’t be the same player.

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I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
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7/4/2019  11:26 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
Ira wrote:The smartest thing the Knicks did is not giving Durant a max contract. It's a given that he won't play next season and there's a reasonable chance that he'll never be the same player after that.
He probably has a recovery year like Heyward did this year. That puts him at 33 when he is really back. At that point you have to assume that with age and the injury he wouldn’t be the same player.


Heard some analysts who know their stuff, say that Durant will still have his height and stroke, if his legs begin to fail him. Remember thinking the same thing about Melo, wasnt alone. Remains to be seen how well Durant will shoot if he cant move like he used to. If it makes it hard to square himself to the rim.

Agree that waiting on KD would have really sucked, even more with a recovery year.

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7/5/2019  7:46 AM
GustavBahler wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
Ira wrote:The smartest thing the Knicks did is not giving Durant a max contract. It's a given that he won't play next season and there's a reasonable chance that he'll never be the same player after that.
He probably has a recovery year like Heyward did this year. That puts him at 33 when he is really back. At that point you have to assume that with age and the injury he wouldn’t be the same player.


Heard some analysts who know their stuff, say that Durant will still have his height and stroke, if his legs begin to fail him. Remember thinking the same thing about Melo, wasnt alone. Remains to be seen how well Durant will shoot if he cant move like he used to. If it makes it hard to square himself to the rim.

Agree that waiting on KD would have really sucked, even more with a recovery year.

This is where I changed my mind about signing an injured Durant, and it was thinking about how pathetic Melo looked trying to get calls, bullying his way into the paint, and the refs just not giving him the call.

This had Allan Houston 2.0 written all over it. Let Brooklyn gamble, and lets us continue to try to build a team.

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7/5/2019  8:16 AM
Thanks for posting !

There are a lot of quality posters on this board w a wide range of opinions on recent events

The penultimate paragraph suggests league executive have the same WIDELY mixed views

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7/5/2019  8:43 AM
Chandler wrote:Thanks for posting !

There are a lot of quality posters on this board w a wide range of opinions on recent events

The penultimate paragraph suggests league executive have the same WIDELY mixed views

Well said. Some media have also extended a tired narrative vs. a more progressive explanation.
Truth is not won in debate but on the court over a long season or two.

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7/5/2019  10:34 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/5/2019  10:35 AM
franco12 wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
Ira wrote:The smartest thing the Knicks did is not giving Durant a max contract. It's a given that he won't play next season and there's a reasonable chance that he'll never be the same player after that.
He probably has a recovery year like Heyward did this year. That puts him at 33 when he is really back. At that point you have to assume that with age and the injury he wouldn’t be the same player.


Heard some analysts who know their stuff, say that Durant will still have his height and stroke, if his legs begin to fail him. Remember thinking the same thing about Melo, wasnt alone. Remains to be seen how well Durant will shoot if he cant move like he used to. If it makes it hard to square himself to the rim.

Agree that waiting on KD would have really sucked, even more with a recovery year.

This is where I changed my mind about signing an injured Durant, and it was thinking about how pathetic Melo looked trying to get calls, bullying his way into the paint, and the refs just not giving him the call.

This had Allan Houston 2.0 written all over it. Let Brooklyn gamble, and lets us continue to try to build a team.

I had questions about KD before the injury because of his age (and his someone bitch move with OKC -- character question to me). After his injury, it was totally right to pass on him. Risk/reward is whack

And with that injury all sorts of questions about his ability to get to his spots the way he used to, and not mention what is the bigger concerns it would have on his defense -- when he has to move not where he wants but where his opponents wants, i.e., probably in ways to take advantage of whatever weakness remains

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7/5/2019  11:11 AM
Ira wrote:The smartest thing the Knicks did is not giving Durant a max contract. It's a given that he won't play next season and there's a reasonable chance that he'll never be the same player after that.

Yep, I remember a lot of posters and knicks fans were hesitant of bringing KD by himself even before the injury (because of his age and lack of supporting cast). Once he got injured, I really didn't get fans who still wanted to sign him.

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7/5/2019  12:16 PM
Durant had labed KP "The unicorn" and perhaps a fascination to play with him.
I had only the question of the the timeline of our young roster in contrast to Durant. I would have thought other moves to follow to answer that.
KP had his reasons and obviously did not see himself as part of the solution but wanted his money. Knicks seemed to give him all the space to play or not play this year.
Dolan last year intimated KP might sit. Seems KP was unhappy either way as per his public remarks. The "Sprint" thing was a cheap shot.
Was it unreasonable to see the kid play before maxing him? I think not.
I'll always say "Regrettable" because his on court talent was not suspect. His durability and character was.
He was our rookie. A home grown talent. Regrettable.
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7/5/2019  7:10 PM
franco12 wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
Ira wrote:The smartest thing the Knicks did is not giving Durant a max contract. It's a given that he won't play next season and there's a reasonable chance that he'll never be the same player after that.
He probably has a recovery year like Heyward did this year. That puts him at 33 when he is really back. At that point you have to assume that with age and the injury he wouldn’t be the same player.


Heard some analysts who know their stuff, say that Durant will still have his height and stroke, if his legs begin to fail him. Remember thinking the same thing about Melo, wasnt alone. Remains to be seen how well Durant will shoot if he cant move like he used to. If it makes it hard to square himself to the rim.

Agree that waiting on KD would have really sucked, even more with a recovery year.

This is where I changed my mind about signing an injured Durant, and it was thinking about how pathetic Melo looked trying to get calls, bullying his way into the paint, and the refs just not giving him the call.

This had Allan Houston 2.0 written all over it. Let Brooklyn gamble, and lets us continue to try to build a team.


Durant can play center and has played center before ( though not full time) Melo could never play center

Durant can defend the rim. He also can defend out on the perimeter. Given the injury, he will still profile out to be able to defend the rim. Melo could never defend the rim and could never defend on the perimeter

Durant has excellent shot selection. Melo had **** shot selection

Durant is a saavy/high IQ player and passer. Melo was a ball stopper and never developed his game past his vast natural gifts

Durant is 7 feet tall. Melo is/was not.

Durant is a Nike Signature athlete. He is going to get calls until he retires. Period. Melo was never even in the same ballpark in terms of marketing appeal to the masses, which is critical for how the league treats you with ref calls.

Durant is a far better long range shooter than Melo.

Durant's FLOOR is an elite Stretch 5. 60 percent of Durant is still better than 85 percent of the entire league.

How anyone could compare Captain Jab Step/Me First & Me Always to Durant is baffling.

The FLOOR is an elite Stretch 5. Yes he won't be prime Durant, but he can still carpet bomb the **** out of any team from behind the arc. It' really tough to stop a SEVEN FOOTER from getting his shot off from long range.

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