Knicksfan wrote:

Solace wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:

Solace wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:So it’s incompetent to act on a realistic plan that you have instead of waiting for a meeting on a dream that EVERYONE including the media bullying NY considered impossible because Kawhi would either go to LA or stay in Toronto?

What plan?? We traded Kristaps Porzingis for cap space to sign a star. That was the plan so you see it through. We switched course to overpay scrubs. Meanwhile the franchise was set back years by the Kristaps trade. This is worse than anything Phil did. If you don't see that, then I suggest putting a towel under your knees to prevent rugburn.

Just because you have chosen your negative narrative to believe doesn’t actually make it a fact. This simplistic view that negates all the flexibility the team actually got, the assets acquired and the real reasoning to sign the players they signed considering the youth, it really sucks.

I get being frustrated for not getting the stars we wanted and being bullied even more on the media, but not to be able to pivot from that into the not spectacular but really solid plan the front office has is sad.

Its the only realistic narrative. You homers do this every time and every time it blows up and you are positive about the next. I've been going through these Knicks cycles for 20 years. Every time I have a bad feeling about a move the Knicks make, I've been proven right. Trading Porzingis was a four year setback. Its a long road and we don't have a higher ceiling than before we traded Porzingis and we got no free agents.

Here are the facts: Perry and Mills wanted Porzingis out so bad that we got nothing for him. We justified this because DOLAN basically told us we were getting Durant and Kyrie. This was mot the media. Dolan said it himself. If we got them it justified trading Porzingis. If we gor Kawhi it justified it. Neither of those things happened so these a-holes have to be held responsible for trading the next Dirk and getting Dennis Smith Jr who is at best a 7th man off the bench. You don't get up from this bad a mistake. This will go down as one of the worst recent trades in NBA history. You'll see... I would love to be wrong on this. But I'm not. You guys are suckered in by love of the team and not logic. Sorry.

And if this is an attempt to repeat the Nets plan, we can't. They have a good GM and don't have the most distrusted owner in the NBA.

Wow guys! We actually have an insider here! Quick, gather your questions for the man! He has all of the answers because he is an insider. Zero speculation! The guy has the goods! Take a number and wait in line!

So being a dark cloud fan expecting always the worst helps you move “forward”? You are always right, so why try to be objectives and see both the front office’s faults and achievements when you can create your own dark narrative and be sheltered by it? Oh, sorry! I forget you don’t speculate! You got the insider stuff. Right...

With all due respect, maybe I once again suggest you use the towel to prevent rugburn. Also, your tongue must be tired.

Solace wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:You dont like their plan? Whats yours? Details please. Which players are you sure would sign with the Knicks? Would they be 100 percent by opening day? Team players? Injury prone? Fill in the roster for us.

Tank again if we don't get anyone. This plan leads us to mediocrity which is no mans land in the NBA. But my plan starts with NOT trading Porzingis. We could've traded him now to make room for KD if we needed the space.

Perry is overhyped garbage as a GM.

They wouldn't have signed Randle if they wanted to tank. He isnt a star, but he can get buckets. Payton has his flaws for sure, but he has shown he can play at a high level. If you want to tank, you sign players with less of an upside. You sign broken down stars, who will be lucky to play half a season.

You still haven't said jack about your plan. If Perry's plan is chicken****, where is your chicken salad?

GustavBahler wrote:

Solace wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Solace wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:You dont like their plan? Whats yours? Details please. Which players are you sure would sign with the Knicks? Would they be 100 percent by opening day? Team players? Injury prone? Fill in the roster for us.

Tank again if we don't get anyone. This plan leads us to mediocrity which is no mans land in the NBA. But my plan starts with NOT trading Porzingis. We could've traded him now to make room for KD if we needed the space.

Perry is overhyped garbage as a GM.

They wouldn't have signed Randle if they wanted to tank. He isnt a star, but he can get buckets. Payton has his flaws for sure, but he has shown he can play at a high level. If you want to tank, you sign players with less of an upside. You sign broken down stars, who will be lucky to play half a season.

You still haven't said jack about your plan. If Perry's plan is chicken****, where is your chicken salad?

Is it not obvious? My plan would be to build around Porzingis and Barrett and then hoping to add one of KD, Kawhi, Kyrie or Kemba Walker to the mix this offseason. We diverged from my plan 6 months ago so seems rather irrelevant now.

My plan B if we made the moronic move of trading Porzingis and whiffed on all major free agents would be to take on other teams bad contracts with picks attached and rebuild that way. I would have considered taking John Wall if Washington threw a bunch of picks my way.

Porzingis? We're talking about Porzingis? Lets recap. Perry takes the job, and loses KP to a season ending injury. That season, and tbe next one is a wash because your franchise player cant play. KP also cant go very far into a season before running out of gas.

The next season, Porzingis is in street clothes, he isnt contributing anything, he hasnt in year. He lets it be known he doesnt like the way the team is being run. From the bench.

He then goes to Perry/Mills with his brother and says something to the effect of "F you, pay me" Doesnt matter that KP still hasn't recovered from his injury, he wants his money now or he walks.

My response would be the same as Perry's I would ship KP's humpty dumpty ass on the first flight to Dallas. Who the F does he think he is to march his narrow ass into Perry's office and demand anything, when he is still hurt, and the Knicks have yet to see how well he has recovered? Why would they let themselves get rolled like that?

GustavBahler wrote:

Solace wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Solace wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:You dont like their plan? Whats yours? Details please. Which players are you sure would sign with the Knicks? Would they be 100 percent by opening day? Team players? Injury prone? Fill in the roster for us.

Tank again if we don't get anyone. This plan leads us to mediocrity which is no mans land in the NBA. But my plan starts with NOT trading Porzingis. We could've traded him now to make room for KD if we needed the space.

Perry is overhyped garbage as a GM.

They wouldn't have signed Randle if they wanted to tank. He isnt a star, but he can get buckets. Payton has his flaws for sure, but he has shown he can play at a high level. If you want to tank, you sign players with less of an upside. You sign broken down stars, who will be lucky to play half a season.

You still haven't said jack about your plan. If Perry's plan is chicken****, where is your chicken salad?

Is it not obvious? My plan would be to build around Porzingis and Barrett and then hoping to add one of KD, Kawhi, Kyrie or Kemba Walker to the mix this offseason. We diverged from my plan 6 months ago so seems rather irrelevant now.

My plan B if we made the moronic move of trading Porzingis and whiffed on all major free agents would be to take on other teams bad contracts with picks attached and rebuild that way. I would have considered taking John Wall if Washington threw a bunch of picks my way.

Porzingis? We're talking about Porzingis? Lets recap. Perry takes the job, and loses KP to a season ending injury. That season, and tbe next one is a wash because your franchise player cant play. KP also cant go very far into a season before running out of gas.

The next season, Porzingis is in street clothes, he isnt contributing anything, he hasnt in year. He lets it be known he doesnt like the way the team is being run. From the bench.

He then goes to Perry/Mills with his brother and says something to the effect of "F you, pay me" Doesnt matter that KP still hasn't recovered from his injury, he wants his money now or he walks.

My response would be the same as Perry's I would ship KP's humpty dumpty ass on the first flight to Dallas. Who the F does he think he is to march his narrow ass into Perry's office and demand anything, when he is still hurt, and the Knicks have yet to see how well he has recovered? Why would they let themselves get rolled like that?

Your version of events is inaccurate based on recent reporting. Actually Porzingis asked to speak to Dolan and when Mills prevented him from doing so is when he requested to be traded.

Here's the deal. You guys have been reducing his talents since you don't like his personality. Most NBA stars are divas. They run the league. You put up with it for that kind of talent. You make it work. Instead we let egos get in the way of business and the result is a four year setback and a franchise in shambles. I'm tired of watching the perpetual rebuild because we fail to do it right. The rules are simple and we constantly violate them. Its proven out as we have been the least successful franchise of the past I believe 19 years.

arkrud wrote:

Solace wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Solace wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:You dont like their plan? Whats yours? Details please. Which players are you sure would sign with the Knicks? Would they be 100 percent by opening day? Team players? Injury prone? Fill in the roster for us.

Tank again if we don't get anyone. This plan leads us to mediocrity which is no mans land in the NBA. But my plan starts with NOT trading Porzingis. We could've traded him now to make room for KD if we needed the space.

Perry is overhyped garbage as a GM.

They wouldn't have signed Randle if they wanted to tank. He isnt a star, but he can get buckets. Payton has his flaws for sure, but he has shown he can play at a high level. If you want to tank, you sign players with less of an upside. You sign broken down stars, who will be lucky to play half a season.

You still haven't said jack about your plan. If Perry's plan is chicken****, where is your chicken salad?

Is it not obvious? My plan would be to build around Porzingis and Barrett and then hoping to add one of KD, Kawhi, Kyrie or Kemba Walker to the mix this offseason. We diverged from my plan 6 months ago so seems rather irrelevant now.

My plan B if we made the moronic move of trading Porzingis and whiffed on all major free agents would be to take on other teams bad contracts with picks attached and rebuild that way. I would have considered taking John Wall if Washington threw a bunch of picks my way.

How you can build around player who does not want to play for your team?
How you can recruit free agents to the team without a roster?
How you can rely on signing players who can choose any team in NBA and your team is the worst?
How you can post anything of a substance about the team you did not followed for a while?
You can of course to be a Troll... this does not require any effort.

First off I didn't say I didn't follow the team. I said I didn't post for years. The rest of what you wrote is irrelevant. You aren't interested in my responses. So, thanks for playing. Bye.

Solace wrote:

arkrud wrote:

Solace wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Solace wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:You dont like their plan? Whats yours? Details please. Which players are you sure would sign with the Knicks? Would they be 100 percent by opening day? Team players? Injury prone? Fill in the roster for us.

Tank again if we don't get anyone. This plan leads us to mediocrity which is no mans land in the NBA. But my plan starts with NOT trading Porzingis. We could've traded him now to make room for KD if we needed the space.

Perry is overhyped garbage as a GM.

They wouldn't have signed Randle if they wanted to tank. He isnt a star, but he can get buckets. Payton has his flaws for sure, but he has shown he can play at a high level. If you want to tank, you sign players with less of an upside. You sign broken down stars, who will be lucky to play half a season.

You still haven't said jack about your plan. If Perry's plan is chicken****, where is your chicken salad?

Is it not obvious? My plan would be to build around Porzingis and Barrett and then hoping to add one of KD, Kawhi, Kyrie or Kemba Walker to the mix this offseason. We diverged from my plan 6 months ago so seems rather irrelevant now.

My plan B if we made the moronic move of trading Porzingis and whiffed on all major free agents would be to take on other teams bad contracts with picks attached and rebuild that way. I would have considered taking John Wall if Washington threw a bunch of picks my way.

How you can build around player who does not want to play for your team?
How you can recruit free agents to the team without a roster?
How you can rely on signing players who can choose any team in NBA and your team is the worst?
How you can post anything of a substance about the team you did not followed for a while?
You can of course to be a Troll... this does not require any effort.

First off I didn't say I didn't follow the team. I said I didn't post for years. The rest of what you wrote is irrelevant. You aren't interested in my responses. So, thanks for playing. Bye.

You are not interesting in anything but your own opinions.
Which is very common among Trolls. So hello mister Troll.
Welcome back to UK!!!

Solace wrote:I think I forgot why I stopped posting here. Well this has been fun. Bye.

Yehh...
It was fun.. but short one.
Good luck posting!!!

Solace wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Solace wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Solace wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:You dont like their plan? Whats yours? Details please. Which players are you sure would sign with the Knicks? Would they be 100 percent by opening day? Team players? Injury prone? Fill in the roster for us.

Tank again if we don't get anyone. This plan leads us to mediocrity which is no mans land in the NBA. But my plan starts with NOT trading Porzingis. We could've traded him now to make room for KD if we needed the space.

Perry is overhyped garbage as a GM.

They wouldn't have signed Randle if they wanted to tank. He isnt a star, but he can get buckets. Payton has his flaws for sure, but he has shown he can play at a high level. If you want to tank, you sign players with less of an upside. You sign broken down stars, who will be lucky to play half a season.

You still haven't said jack about your plan. If Perry's plan is chicken****, where is your chicken salad?

Is it not obvious? My plan would be to build around Porzingis and Barrett and then hoping to add one of KD, Kawhi, Kyrie or Kemba Walker to the mix this offseason. We diverged from my plan 6 months ago so seems rather irrelevant now.

My plan B if we made the moronic move of trading Porzingis and whiffed on all major free agents would be to take on other teams bad contracts with picks attached and rebuild that way. I would have considered taking John Wall if Washington threw a bunch of picks my way.

Porzingis? We're talking about Porzingis? Lets recap. Perry takes the job, and loses KP to a season ending injury. That season, and tbe next one is a wash because your franchise player cant play. KP also cant go very far into a season before running out of gas.

The next season, Porzingis is in street clothes, he isnt contributing anything, he hasnt in year. He lets it be known he doesnt like the way the team is being run. From the bench.

He then goes to Perry/Mills with his brother and says something to the effect of "F you, pay me" Doesnt matter that KP still hasn't recovered from his injury, he wants his money now or he walks.

My response would be the same as Perry's I would ship KP's humpty dumpty ass on the first flight to Dallas. Who the F does he think he is to march his narrow ass into Perry's office and demand anything, when he is still hurt, and the Knicks have yet to see how well he has recovered? Why would they let themselves get rolled like that?

Your version of events is inaccurate based on recent reporting. Actually Porzingis asked to speak to Dolan and when Mills prevented him from doing so is when he requested to be traded.

Here's the deal. You guys have been reducing his talents since you don't like his personality. Most NBA stars are divas. They run the league. You put up with it for that kind of talent. You make it work. Instead we let egos get in the way of business and the result is a four year setback and a franchise in shambles. I'm tired of watching the perpetual rebuild because we fail to do it right. The rules are simple and we constantly violate them. Its proven out as we have been the least successful franchise of the past I believe 19 years.

I guarantee you Dolan knew everything that was going on and signed off on it. No way Mills would greenlight a trade of that magnitude without keeping him in the loop. Dolan didnt want to talk to him, he's been rightfully catching hell for doing too much. Doubt he liked the strong arm tactics by Pozingis and his brother. None of us can say we know Dolan on a personal level, but Im pretty sure that their threat didnt sit well with him.

Most of us are cognizant of all the false starts empty promises. What some of us see thats different is

1) Plan B can be over within one season, as opposed to players whose biggest impact on the team will be the cap hit over too many years.

2) Very good drafting: Remains to be seen how good they get, but we defintely have some good talent to work with.

3) Patience: Perry had Melo's max deal, NTC, trade kicker, we got back Mitch I believe, as well as no long term cap hit for a player who showed OKC, why he was traded, as well as Houston.

4) Flexibility: No long term garbage contracts mean that if these young players show something, there should be more interest because the Knicks are showing that they can develop players.

Just Perry acting like a competent GM, is a huge change from the past. Its not a guarantee of future success. Dont believe anyone is reserving their championship tees. It does make a fan (at least this one) more enthusiastic about the direction of the team in a long time. This is more like late 80s, early 90s Knicks. Hopefully we will see it on th3 court, and even better.