MS wrote:They couldn’t have matched once they signed Durant they renounced his rights. He got $31MM a year which we could have given him.

Just doesn’t appear anyone has any interest in being a Knick so need to go outside the box. He would have brought some life with Randle.

They just S&T DLO meaning they still held his rights.

We couldn't give him 31mil. He got 31mil because the Nets can offer him more money than anyone else. There is a reason he didn't sign any offer sheets and agreed to be sign and traded to GSW who already has Steph Curry.

Knicks would have to convince him to take less money. Then even with that Nets could just sit on KDs verbal agreement. Match what ever was offered and then work out a trade.

If Barrett comes out with a bang this team is playoff bound

newyorknewyork wrote:

MS wrote:I think in this scenario, DLo actually made a lot of sense on a four year deal. There are no free agents till 2021 and everyone is being grossly overpaid.

Our biggest need was at the point. You could have really put a fun exciting team out there with Barrett and DLo and had a nice story line. I think he will prove to be better than Kyrie the next few years and handled NYC well.

DLO wanted all his money which the Nets were the only ones who could offer it. Which is why he worked out a S&T to go to the Warriors who will then look to reroute him.

I don't believe the Nets would be willing to S&T DLO to the Knicks unless we offered something substantial. Nets also would have matched what ever offer we signed him to since they had his rights. Would have then looked to work out a trade with either us or another team.

maybe the warriors will want bobby portis, reggie bullock, and taj gibson

Nalod wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

MS wrote:I think in this scenario, DLo actually made a lot of sense on a four year deal. There are no free agents till 2021 and everyone is being grossly overpaid.

Our biggest need was at the point. You could have really put a fun exciting team out there with Barrett and DLo and had a nice story line. I think he will prove to be better than Kyrie the next few years and handled NYC well.

DLO wanted all his money which the Nets were the only ones who could offer it. Which is why he worked out a S&T to go to the Warriors who will then look to reroute him.

I don't believe the Nets would be willing to S&T DLO to the Knicks unless we offered something substantial. Nets also would have matched what ever offer we signed him to since they had his rights. Would have then looked to work out a trade with either us or another team.

maybe the warriors will want bobby portis, reggie bullock, and taj gibson

I thought about that too. Not sure about the combo but Warriors path better to do what they did.
To go from 17 wins to 40 with 3 yoot playing big roles would be massive.

Hmm interesting. You guys saying you think guys like Payton, Portis, Bullock, Ellington were signed to be moved to GSW in a deal for DLO?.

GSW doesn't have much on their roster right now behind Steph and Draymond. I can see the fit with all those guys over there. When would these guys be able to be moved?

newyorknewyork wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

MS wrote:I think in this scenario, DLo actually made a lot of sense on a four year deal. There are no free agents till 2021 and everyone is being grossly overpaid.

Our biggest need was at the point. You could have really put a fun exciting team out there with Barrett and DLo and had a nice story line. I think he will prove to be better than Kyrie the next few years and handled NYC well.

DLO wanted all his money which the Nets were the only ones who could offer it. Which is why he worked out a S&T to go to the Warriors who will then look to reroute him.

I don't believe the Nets would be willing to S&T DLO to the Knicks unless we offered something substantial. Nets also would have matched what ever offer we signed him to since they had his rights. Would have then looked to work out a trade with either us or another team.

maybe the warriors will want bobby portis, reggie bullock, and taj gibson

I thought about that too. Not sure about the combo but Warriors path better to do what they did.
To go from 17 wins to 40 with 3 yoot playing big roles would be massive.

Hmm interesting. You guys saying you think guys like Payton, Portis, Bullock, Ellington were signed to be moved to GSW in a deal for DLO?.

GSW doesn't have much on their roster right now behind Steph and Draymond. I can see the fit with all those guys over there. When would these guys be able to be moved?

I thought there was a small window, like 10 days after signing, then December. I’m not sure about the small window. Given GSW lopsided roster its an interesting concept.

fishmike wrote:

PresIke wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Looks like a team that might sneak into the playoffs. Playoff experience for the younger players would be great. If we get some big FAs down the road, that playoff experience will make it easier for the team to gel sooner.

I like the depth at PG/SG could see some good competition for minutes.

Playoffs????

Really?

A lot of things have to go right for that to happen.

This is easily a 30 win team in many ways.

It could happen, but no way would I bet any kind of decent money on such an idea if I were a betting man.

yea.. likely 32-50. The x-factors that would elevate us to the playoffs are not impossible but also not likely. But here is my "holy ****, everything went right and the Knicks made the playoffs at 42-40:

(just for fun starting line up with color)
PG: Payton (we get stable PG play, good defense 28mpg 10ppg, 7assist, 5rebs, 1.5 TO)
SG: Dotson (strong defense and great shooting wins this job 14ppg, 5rebs, 38% from 3)
SF: Reggie Bullock
PF: Randle (featured scorer, 22ppg, 55% FGs 35% from 3)
C: Mitch (28mpg, 8ppg, 12rebs, 2.5 blocks)
Bench mob: DSjr, RJ, Knox, Portis

Something where our starters play good defense like the Nets did this year (our SL is basically 4 defensive guys + Randle) and our bench runs up and down the court pushing the ball and the tempo and since the bench/starters are not much different coach basically rides the hot hands each night.

Thats the best *type* of scenario and not wildly far fetched.

More likely:
Nobody establishes themself as a standout at PG so our offensive really struggles and everything is tough from there.

We will see. I like the moves. I like Randle a lot. I like that Fiz has to coach now. I like the Piston fans are bummed we took a lot of their blue collar guys who really helped. I like that we can see all our players in real NBA games vs. the summer league we ran last year.

Remember Dotson has had shoulder surgery so it's unlikely he'll be able to put much shooting work in over the offseason- I expect him to take a big chunk of the season to get going, so I'm not starting him. I agree at getting Knox out of the starting lineup though.

I think RJ needs to start- he should play well with Randle (as he did with Zion), he is a key part of our future. Problem is him along with Payton and Mitch and Randle gives you no 3pt shooting.

Hmm... this is harder than I thought- that's the problem with this offseason's moves, I like them individually, but I don't see how it all fits together.

I do like all the 3pt shooting we've added though

Panos wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

MS wrote:They couldnt have matched once they signed Durant they renounced his rights. He got $31MM a year which we could have given him.

Just doesnt appear anyone has any interest in being a Knick so need to go outside the box. He would have brought some life with Randle.

They just ST DLO meaning they still held his rights.

We couldn't give him 31mil. He got 31mil because the Nets can offer him more money than anyone else. There is a reason he didn't sign any offer sheets and agreed to be sign and traded to GSW who already has Steph Curry.

Knicks would have to convince him to take less money. Then even with that Nets could just sit on KDs verbal agreement. Match what ever was offered and then work out a trade.

Can someone explain to me in what universe DLo is worth THIRTY ONE MILLION DOLLARS per year?

Panos wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

MS wrote:They couldnt have matched once they signed Durant they renounced his rights. He got $31MM a year which we could have given him.

Just doesnt appear anyone has any interest in being a Knick so need to go outside the box. He would have brought some life with Randle.

They just ST DLO meaning they still held his rights.

We couldn't give him 31mil. He got 31mil because the Nets can offer him more money than anyone else. There is a reason he didn't sign any offer sheets and agreed to be sign and traded to GSW who already has Steph Curry.

Knicks would have to convince him to take less money. Then even with that Nets could just sit on KDs verbal agreement. Match what ever was offered and then work out a trade.

Can someone explain to me in what universe DLo is worth THIRTY ONE MILLION DOLLARS per year?

I guess the same universe that Tobias Harris is making 31-41. But DLO isn't making 31mil. He would make that in the last year of his deal. He is making 27.2mil to be accurate.

NYKBocker wrote:We winning 50+ games this coming season. Yup. I said it.

Pass that fire over here man. I could use it.

fishmike wrote:

PresIke wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Looks like a team that might sneak into the playoffs. Playoff experience for the younger players would be great. If we get some big FAs down the road, that playoff experience will make it easier for the team to gel sooner.

I like the depth at PG/SG could see some good competition for minutes.

Playoffs????

Really?

A lot of things have to go right for that to happen.

This is easily a 30 win team in many ways.

It could happen, but no way would I bet any kind of decent money on such an idea if I were a betting man.

yea.. likely 32-50. The x-factors that would elevate us to the playoffs are not impossible but also not likely. But here is my "holy ****, everything went right and the Knicks made the playoffs at 42-40:

(just for fun starting line up with color)
PG: Payton (we get stable PG play, good defense 28mpg 10ppg, 7assist, 5rebs, 1.5 TO)
SG: Dotson (strong defense and great shooting wins this job 14ppg, 5rebs, 38% from 3)
SF: Reggie Bullock
PF: Randle (featured scorer, 22ppg, 55% FGs 35% from 3)
C: Mitch (28mpg, 8ppg, 12rebs, 2.5 blocks)
Bench mob: DSjr, RJ, Knox, Portis

Something where our starters play good defense like the Nets did this year (our SL is basically 4 defensive guys + Randle) and our bench runs up and down the court pushing the ball and the tempo and since the bench/starters are not much different coach basically rides the hot hands each night.

Thats the best *type* of scenario and not wildly far fetched.

More likely:
Nobody establishes themself as a standout at PG so our offensive really struggles and everything is tough from there.

We will see. I like the moves. I like Randle a lot. I like that Fiz has to coach now. I like the Piston fans are bummed we took a lot of their blue collar guys who really helped. I like that we can see all our players in real NBA games vs. the summer league we ran last year.

Star power to be perhaps RJ? 1 day

Let me remind people this is NBA and this is about carving your niche & earning respect in tough NBA
from teams and officials.

NYK may have good youth talent as especially led by RJ, Knox and Randle.
However UNTIL it is proven there ARE no STARS much less superstars yet on this team.
I Think Identity for team = YOUTH

But until you got Identity (something you own & Win games with) and you got bonafide Star / to be superstar
Knicks won't get calls but will get LOSSES

Don't get me wrong I like youth is only thang I like other than RJ and coach
But don't get ahead of ourselves Knicks got way to go for 41-41 Or any playoff talks without a star.

Yes B.Russell made Allstar team on NETs with talent Or no star but lots of GOODs.
Knicks need to get there 1 day.