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Solace
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7/1/2019  3:24 AM
So Julius Randle isn't a bad sjgning. RJ Barrett will be good. But we weren't asked to hang in for them. We were sold Kristaps plus a major free agent + the pick. Then we were sold KD + Kyrie + Zion. I just am not feeling RJ Barrett + Julius Randle as the consolation prize. I don't blame Perry and Mills. They are in an unwinnable situation. Nobody is coming here while Dolan is the owner. This proved it again. On top of it we trade a player that was actually not possible to replace in Kristaps. He may be a diva but he was our diva and losing him was our failure. So let's just acknowledge this is a doomed franchise not worthy of our money and time. I'm out until they get it together. The rebuild only takes 20 years because we screwed it up four times already. If this is the time we figure it out, great, but we are four more years from being a playoff team at this rate. It's not what I signed up for as a fan.
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7/1/2019  3:25 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/1/2019  3:25 AM
Woops. Typoed the title. Will teach me to post from my phone.
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7/1/2019  3:45 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/1/2019  3:45 AM
If we were trading Kristaps we were supposed to get a star, period. The haul we got for Kristaps was sad. It is inconceivable how we can't get out of our own way repeatedly.
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7/1/2019  5:21 AM
This is the problem when fans base all their expectations on media hype and can only expect to be satisfied with flashy headlines.

The Knicks did four solid deals today. Two of them have great potential as they are young players with solid numbers at two positions of need in the front court.

The other two are solid bench players to help the development and also help win games.

You just got a great prospect at guard with the third overall pick in the draft.

You add that to a young core of players with potential as well.

You keep your picks and have other picks from the last trade.

You also keep flexibility for the future as the next big free agency is in 2021.

From a basketball point of view and from a future point of view, we did a solid job yesterday. We might someday learn that KD’s injury changed our plans dramatically this offseason, but we finally have a front office that sticks to their plan and find creative ways to execute it.

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7/1/2019  10:05 AM
Knicksfan wrote:This is the problem when fans base all their expectations on media hype and can only expect to be satisfied with flashy headlines.

The Knicks did four solid deals today. Two of them have great potential as they are young players with solid numbers at two positions of need in the front court.

The other two are solid bench players to help the development and also help win games.

You just got a great prospect at guard with the third overall pick in the draft.

You add that to a young core of players with potential as well.

You keep your picks and have other picks from the last trade.

You also keep flexibility for the future as the next big free agency is in 2021.

From a basketball point of view and from a future point of view, we did a solid job yesterday. We might someday learn that KD’s injury changed our plans dramatically this offseason, but we finally have a front office that sticks to their plan and find creative ways to execute it.

1. It's not media hype. Our owner said it on the Michael Kay Show.
2. We traded away a future franchise player and got cap space in return. We currently are having trouble spending the cap space so we got back cents on the dollar. Furthermore it came out he asked to speak to Dolan and the Knicks wouldn't allow that. Any issues keeping him were due to our own failures.
3. Understand we did not keep course. We changed course. Keeping course was building around Kristaps and pairing him with a high 1st rounder (Barrett) and a free agent. We are reset the clock again because we screwed it up again.
4. FWIW, I like some of the players we signed. Its a young core that may eventually get good. But now its four years until we're possibly a playoff team. Barrett is too young. It will take years. We'll win what 27? 29? games this year? Its asking an awful lot of patience with a poor track record for rewards.
5. The issue is by the time that comes, Perry will be gone. We all know this. Then the next guy will want to make his own mark, make some bad moves, rework the roster in his own image, rinse repeat. This is what the Knicks do. This is why nobody significant wants to come here.

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7/1/2019  10:30 AM
Did trading KP guarantee a max player? If said players don't want the Knicks, it's not going to happen. KP was traded because, most knick fans won't like this, he didn't want to be here because of the ineptitude of of the owner. He could of and probably would have ended up not playing next year and walking for free. I love that, we the fans, always are "we gotta wait 4 years" when knick fans have been waiting 48 years. Whos to say that when KD comes back he will be the same dominant baller?
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7/1/2019  10:38 AM
Another dumb thread
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7/1/2019  10:47 AM
eh....I wouldn't say that not getting kd and kyrie is the LOWEST point. however, this is being speculative, if Brooklyn really succeeds with the two of them in two or three years ( finals or championship)and we are still in the lottery, then THAT will be the lowest point
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7/1/2019  11:26 AM
KP was traded because the medical didn't justify paying him.
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7/1/2019  1:07 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:Another dumb thread

Don't be a homer. If you are happy with how we've gotten here please make sure to let us know what meds you are taking. If this isn't a disappointment you're either lying to us or enjoy watching rebuilding teams. I'm over that. It's been 20 years. We are going about it the right way or so we say but when we traded KP we made the prior 5 years of rebuilding irrelevant. If Barrett doesn't pan out you realize we'll be in the same spot, right? That's all.

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7/1/2019  1:20 PM
Solace wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:Another dumb thread

Don't be a homer. If you are happy with how we've gotten here please make sure to let us know what meds you are taking. If this isn't a disappointment you're either lying to us or enjoy watching rebuilding teams. I'm over that. It's been 20 years. We are going about it the right way or so we say but when we traded KP we made the prior 5 years of rebuilding irrelevant. If Barrett doesn't pan out you realize we'll be in the same spot, right? That's all.

A homer? I have criticized this organization plenty of times over the past 30 years so don't give me that crap. Just because I don't hate their plan doesn't mean im jumping up and down with joy. Its is disappointing but im glad the Knicks didn't make a panic move like they previously did for 15 years. they are sticking to the rebuild plan which is the right thing. I do like the signings for the most part , not a huge fan of the Portis signing but he is young and has talent. Plus its only 2 year deals so we are all set up the 2021 class who I like better anyhow except for maybe Leonard. Plus we keep our draft picks. So I stand by what I said...Dumb Thread
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7/1/2019  1:23 PM
Solace wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:Another dumb thread

Don't be a homer. If you are happy with how we've gotten here please make sure to let us know what meds you are taking. If this isn't a disappointment you're either lying to us or enjoy watching rebuilding teams. I'm over that. It's been 20 years. We are going about it the right way or so we say but when we traded KP we made the prior 5 years of rebuilding irrelevant. If Barrett doesn't pan out you realize we'll be in the same spot, right? That's all.

some around here think once we dont trade draft picks we are big time winners, who cares about the playoffs. They would rather see us bad for 5+ yrs then trade a draft pick that ends up with frank and Knox.

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7/1/2019  1:23 PM
Dolan needs to just STFU. If its disingenuous even more so. If there was in internal debate that's ok. Its cool and healthy to have such.
IF he comes out after the fact, well that just not a good look. Say it before.
Dolan just can't figure out how to look good.
Low poimt? Low point is thinking your good and the sunken feeling that your not, but no blue chips on the roster and your picks are gone.
Low point was 23 win season in the isiah era coached by brown and you don't own the pick. Roster full of unmarketable players lead by Marbury. that was the low.
Low when hope is gone.
This is not it. Low would have been trading for AD and then he blows out his knee. Dice 2.0. That was low. Everytime Nene plays another game, that is another drop down. That we drafted Nene 7th then traded him, while Amare was taken 9th. Denver actually passed on him twice. Once with our pick and at the 4 with "Skiter". Awful year to draft really. Carlos Boozer went 35th. Milos Vujanic went 36th!!! That was low. Lets just say the following season as Amare suprises everyone and Dice blows it out in preseason. The big problem is few understood just how good Dice was and we never got to see it.
Or Milos!! LOL.

Low will be KP top 5 MVP and staying healthy. That will hurt.

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7/1/2019  1:27 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
Solace wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:Another dumb thread

Don't be a homer. If you are happy with how we've gotten here please make sure to let us know what meds you are taking. If this isn't a disappointment you're either lying to us or enjoy watching rebuilding teams. I'm over that. It's been 20 years. We are going about it the right way or so we say but when we traded KP we made the prior 5 years of rebuilding irrelevant. If Barrett doesn't pan out you realize we'll be in the same spot, right? That's all.

some around here think once we dont trade draft picks we are big time winners, who cares about the playoffs. They would rather see us bad for 5+ yrs then trade a draft pick that ends up with frank and Knox.

Yeah because doing it your way really worked from 2001-17 Rainman
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7/1/2019  1:41 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/1/2019  1:42 PM
Nalod wrote:Dolan needs to just STFU. If its disingenuous even more so. If there was in internal debate that's ok. Its cool and healthy to have such.
IF he comes out after the fact, well that just not a good look. Say it before.
Dolan just can't figure out how to look good.
Low poimt? Low point is thinking your good and the sunken feeling that your not, but no blue chips on the roster and your picks are gone.
Low point was 23 win season in the isiah era coached by brown and you don't own the pick. Roster full of unmarketable players lead by Marbury. that was the low.
Low when hope is gone.
This is not it. Low would have been trading for AD and then he blows out his knee. Dice 2.0. That was low. Everytime Nene plays another game, that is another drop down. That we drafted Nene 7th then traded him, while Amare was taken 9th. Denver actually passed on him twice. Once with our pick and at the 4 with "Skiter". Awful year to draft really. Carlos Boozer went 35th. Milos Vujanic went 36th!!! That was low. Lets just say the following season as Amare suprises everyone and Dice blows it out in preseason. The big problem is few understood just how good Dice was and we never got to see it.
Or Milos!! LOL.

Low will be KP top 5 MVP and staying healthy. That will hurt.

Your low point might happen then. KP became significantly underrated here once the narrative got convenient. He may wind up as good as Dirk with shot blocking on top of it.

And yes Dolan can't help sticking his foot in his mouth. Amazing.

Wishing everyone well. I enjoyed posting here for a while, but as I matured I realized this forum isn't for me. We all evolve. Thanks for the memories everyone.
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7/1/2019  1:43 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
Solace wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:Another dumb thread

Don't be a homer. If you are happy with how we've gotten here please make sure to let us know what meds you are taking. If this isn't a disappointment you're either lying to us or enjoy watching rebuilding teams. I'm over that. It's been 20 years. We are going about it the right way or so we say but when we traded KP we made the prior 5 years of rebuilding irrelevant. If Barrett doesn't pan out you realize we'll be in the same spot, right? That's all.

some around here think once we dont trade draft picks we are big time winners, who cares about the playoffs. They would rather see us bad for 5+ yrs then trade a draft pick that ends up with frank and Knox.

I mean not trading the picks is a good step but finally showing a little restraint doesn't amount to a successful plan. So, I agree with you there.

Wishing everyone well. I enjoyed posting here for a while, but as I matured I realized this forum isn't for me. We all evolve. Thanks for the memories everyone.
Another Low Point in the Last 20 Years

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