Celtics 3-1
Wizards 4-0
Bucks 2-2
Heat 3-1
Raptors 3-1
Nets 1-3
Cavs 0-4
Pacers 1-3
76ers 4-0
Pistons 1-3
Hornets 2-1
Magic 3-1
Bulls 2-2
Lakers 0-2
Jazz 0-2
Spurs 0-2
Mavs 0-2
Kings 1-1
Minn 1-1
Nuggets 1-1
GSW 0-2
Blazers 1-1
Memphis 1-1
LAC 1-1
Suns 1-1
Seattle 1-1 Houston 0-2
Hawks 3-0


no winning record v.s any west team
a combined record of 23-4 vs. celts wizards hawks raptors magic and heat[we beat them before they won 19/22}

that means we were 16-39 vs. rest of league + 0-4 in the playoffs

this kind of breakdown shows you what we were--a bad team who were able to handle the 5 worst teams in the league

this is why my optomism is guarded, we were 27 games under .500 against good teams including the playoffs. for the knicks to be considered good--at a minimum--we need to move that record to .500 or better--not an easy task- it will be VERY difficult to go 23-4 against those team again. In fact there isnt a snow ball's chance we will. We do catcha break with the Bobcats and some teams like the Nets Bulls and perhasp the Bucks who wont be as good as last year.

Still disappointed by the 0-4 on the Cavs and the 0-2 on GS. This year is payback!

The only thing this shows to me is that we got the wins we were supposed to. And thats great, thats how regualar season success is guaranteed. We have something ot build of now. I just don't understand how this can be spinned in a negative light. If you remember, we were battling these teams for the last playoff spot, whatever that is worth, so we did what we had to.

we only had a winning record against 8 of 29 teams. our record with Marbury against teams who were .500 or better including the 4 game set with the Nets was 11-20


its not about betaing the teams who stink. Its about winning against the good teams. To be a good team you must have a better than .500 record against them. We made some improvements+ we will have added chemistry but we cant expect to go 23-4 against thos esame teams again. We need win diversification. We need to play much better against western teams.

Yeah really let's not depreciate ourselves here. This was a good offseason and I expect all the advantages of another year with youthful guys + a full training camp to help. It's not like we were really THAT bad last year, you're just pointing out like, the worst and most revealing stats. The overall record is what I'm looking at at the end of next year; I'll take each game one at a time.

no, we probably won't be 23-4 against those teams but on the flipside, we're also going to be better than 16-39 against the rest of the league.

briggs, you post alot of good stuff but you CONSTANTLY think worst case with this team and best case for everybody else. present the other side man. you still think we're going to be 0-4 vs the cavs, or get swept by golden state?

i dismiss all those records after january. all i know is that our unit is almost healthy (h20) and we'll have a full camp of players FIGHTING for their spots. of course, it could all go bad, but it can also all go good.

if we're going to make some serious noise this season, we have to come out quick and that's going to be tough b/c of the schedule.

I am somewhere in between. Like I said, there is no way teams are losing sleep over us, especially after watching Marbury in most of the Olympics. Yet, like you said Fishmike, we, the knowledgable Knick fans, see a team improving by the moment, and have potential to do a little damage. We aren't expecting to be championship contenders, and we aren't expecting to destroy everyone in our path. We are just looking foward to our first winning season in a few years and perhaps making it past the first round. Yet, like I said, it certainly wont be easy to get over .500, b/c some of the bad teams have improved including the Magic and the Cavs haven't really got worse, with the addition of Gooden. By all means, it wont be an easy ride, but nonetheless, it's gonna be fun to watch us grow and improve.

we will have numberous favorable matchups..especially on offense. I think teams will have a very hard time stopping us from getting easy shots.