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Why am I getting the impression that whatever our cap space is we are gonna sit on 85% of it till next year ?
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HOF19
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6/25/2019  11:58 AM
Either these "Tidbits" of info come out the Knicks organization are smokescreen or maybe they have chosen to be very very FRUGAL with their cap space this offseason ……….GO NY GO …….GO KNICKS !!!!!!
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6/25/2019  12:02 PM
I am also sensing an attitude that they may not fight vey hard to get anybody big name wise.....As in if Durant or Kyrie gets a decent offer from another team the Knicks are like "Let that guy sign somewhere else " .
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6/25/2019  12:10 PM
After a season of strong Durant/IRving rumors, we ignored math of draft and dreamed of Zion it was all very seductive to think big.
You bring up a good point. So many ways to use cap space. We can derive assets by facilitating absorption of contracts teams want to move.
Until the opportunity of Kawhi, Durant and Irving are dried up we still have them. Opportunity.
Recall when Philly paid Reddick 24mil for one season two years ago? Really helped them! He made half last year.
I'd like to think we are in the running for Kawhi/Russell. Even Russell and Randle might be a nice addition.
Its not fair but I get a weird "Devon Williams" vibe about D'angelo.
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6/25/2019  12:20 PM
It would be the right thing to do. This team needs to create its own star players once that is done other will come.
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6/25/2019  12:53 PM
There are so many possible outcomes given our situation that I’m not even trying to think about it to much. Just let it play out and see where we are after the chips fall.
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6/25/2019  12:58 PM
the basketball gods blessed us whether we believe it not lets just enjoy it.
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6/25/2019  1:00 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/25/2019  1:01 PM
1 year/ 25 mil for Marcus Morris and 1 year/25 mil for Ariza. If no KD of course.
Bring back Vonleh on a bloated 1 year deal too.
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6/25/2019  1:14 PM
HOF19 wrote:I am also sensing an attitude that they may not fight vey hard to get anybody big name wise.....As in if Durant or Kyrie gets a decent offer from another team the Knicks are like "Let that guy sign somewhere else " .

This is what the Kings and Magic have been doing for yrs, because they can't anybody to sign there

Perry's is definitely the man..best GM in the NBA bar none

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6/25/2019  1:40 PM
I said this in another thread. I would re-sign Jordan and sign Patrick Beverly. Overpay for two years a la Chris Duhon. Those two guys would teach the yoots how to man up and play some d
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6/25/2019  1:51 PM
SupremeCommander wrote:I said this in another thread. I would re-sign Jordan and sign Patrick Beverly. Overpay for two years a la Chris Duhon. Those two guys would teach the yoots how to man up and play some d

Yeah but don’t overpay to the point that you can’t get Anthony Davis next Summer. I’m not against that though. I do want to see Dennis Smith jr taking a big step forward this coming season though.

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SupremeCommander wrote:I said this in another thread. I would re-sign Jordan and sign Patrick Beverly. Overpay for two years a la Chris Duhon. Those two guys would teach the yoots how to man up and play some d

Yeah but don’t overpay to the point that you can’t get Anthony Davis next Summer. I’m not against that though. I do want to see Dennis Smith jr taking a big step forward this coming season though.

like KP, Willy, frank and kuz

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6/25/2019  2:42 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/25/2019  2:42 PM
If you don't get one of the A-list free agents, I don't believe we should sign players who can't turn the team around in short order, or someone whose playing time will retard the growth of our younger players.

If you can't get the big dogs, let our puppies go through the process of growth together, even if it is painful, and become a pack.


1 Kawhi Leonard (27) PO
2 Kevin Durant (30) PO
3 Kyrie Irving (27) UFA
4 Kemba Walker (29) UFA
5 Klay Thompson (29) UFA
6 Kristaps Porzingis (23)RFA
7 Jimmy Butler (29) UFA
8 Tobias Harris (26) UFA
9 Khris Middleton (27) PO
10 Nikola Vucevic (28) UFA
11 D'Angelo Russell (23) RFA
12 JJ Redick (35) UFA
13 DeMarcus Cousins (28) UFA
14 Malcolm Brogdon (26) RFA
15 Al Horford (33) UFA
16 Marc Gasol (34) PO
17 Bojan Bogdanovic (30)UFA
18 Julius Randle (24) UFA
19 Brook Lopez (31)UFA
20 DeAndre Jordan (30) UFA

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6/25/2019  2:42 PM
SupremeCommander wrote:I said this in another thread. I would re-sign Jordan and sign Patrick Beverly. Overpay for two years a la Chris Duhon. Those two guys would teach the yoots how to man up and play some d

It's a fine line....we could overpay them one year, but it might take more guaranteed money and additional year to entice them to come to a rebuilding team. That might kill our ability to move them later on.

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6/25/2019  4:10 PM
CleaverGreene wrote:If you don't get one of the A-list free agents, I don't believe we should sign players who can't turn the team around in short order, or someone whose playing time will retard the growth of our younger players.

If you can't get the big dogs, let our puppies go through the process of growth together, even if it is painful, and become a pack.


1 Kawhi Leonard (27) PO
2 Kevin Durant (30) PO
3 Kyrie Irving (27) UFA
4 Kemba Walker (29) UFA
5 Klay Thompson (29) UFA
6 Kristaps Porzingis (23)RFA
7 Jimmy Butler (29) UFA
8 Tobias Harris (26) UFA
9 Khris Middleton (27) PO
10 Nikola Vucevic (28) UFA
11 D'Angelo Russell (23) RFA
12 JJ Redick (35) UFA
13 DeMarcus Cousins (28) UFA
14 Malcolm Brogdon (26) RFA
15 Al Horford (33) UFA
16 Marc Gasol (34) PO
17 Bojan Bogdanovic (30)UFA
18 Julius Randle (24) UFA
19 Brook Lopez (31)UFA
20 DeAndre Jordan (30) UFA

Perry and Mills have said that if they cant get their targets they wont overpay for second tier guys. Thats good news because in the past we either made a panic move and traded a ton of picks/youth for crap or signed a FA to a bigger contract than they deserved. Im happy Perry is sticking to his plan
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6/25/2019  4:32 PM
dacash wrote:the basketball gods blessed us whether we believe it not lets just enjoy it.

I agree with this. KD most likely will need a year back on the court before he gets back to an elite level. That means the Knicks would be getting prime KD at 33 and 34 on a max deal. Age and this injury make that signing really risky. Kyrie doesn’t push the current roster over the top and is a risk in the locker room and with young players. Teams with cap space, a boat load of picks and salary controlled players can be opportunistic and acquire stars if an opportunity comes up.
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6/25/2019  4:38 PM
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dacash wrote:the basketball gods blessed us whether we believe it not lets just enjoy it.

I agree with this. KD most likely will need a year back on the court before he gets back to an elite level. That means the Knicks would be getting prime KD at 33 and 34 on a max deal. Age and this injury make that signing really risky. Kyrie doesn’t push the current roster over the top and is a risk in the locker room and with young players. Teams with cap space, a boat load of picks and salary controlled players can be opportunistic and acquire stars if an opportunity comes up.

agree too. We should try for Kawhi. If that works we can look for an immediate shooter, e.g., Middleton or Klay (though even more unlikely than Kawhi). If we can't get Kawhi, we move on and build the old fashioned way. (P.s., I don't think anyone knows what Kawhi will do)

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StarksEwing1 wrote:
CleaverGreene wrote:If you don't get one of the A-list free agents, I don't believe we should sign players who can't turn the team around in short order, or someone whose playing time will retard the growth of our younger players.

If you can't get the big dogs, let our puppies go through the process of growth together, even if it is painful, and become a pack.


1 Kawhi Leonard (27) PO
2 Kevin Durant (30) PO
3 Kyrie Irving (27) UFA
4 Kemba Walker (29) UFA
5 Klay Thompson (29) UFA
6 Kristaps Porzingis (23)RFA
7 Jimmy Butler (29) UFA
8 Tobias Harris (26) UFA
9 Khris Middleton (27) PO
10 Nikola Vucevic (28) UFA
11 D'Angelo Russell (23) RFA
12 JJ Redick (35) UFA
13 DeMarcus Cousins (28) UFA
14 Malcolm Brogdon (26) RFA
15 Al Horford (33) UFA
16 Marc Gasol (34) PO
17 Bojan Bogdanovic (30)UFA
18 Julius Randle (24) UFA
19 Brook Lopez (31)UFA
20 DeAndre Jordan (30) UFA

Perry and Mills have said that if they cant get their targets they wont overpay for second tier guys. Thats good news because in the past we either made a panic move and traded a ton of picks/youth for crap or signed a FA to a bigger contract than they deserved. Im happy Perry is sticking to his plan

Easier said than done, especially with the Knicks. Requires organizational discipline and continuity, but I'll take them at their word, for now.

Comparing the ages of the above FAs with the youth we have under contract in one way or another, right now.

Smith, 21
Mudiay, 23
Trier, 23
Frank, 20
Hinton, 22
Mario, 24
Dotson, 25
Knox, 19
Kornet, 24
Vonleh, 23
Ellenson, 22
Barret, 19
Iggy Braz, 20
Hicks, 24
Mitch, 21
Wilkes, 20
V.J. King, 22
Wooten, 21

Not sure we've ever had this many younger players under our control at one time.

Seems like a perfect time to play it smart in FA and let a young team be nurtured by Fizdale, and have him instill his system on them at a young age.

I don't want to hear anything about him delaying the teaching process. We should see these guys playing the offensive ball he would want a team of veterans to play.

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6/25/2019  8:04 PM
Knixkik wrote:1 year/ 25 mil for Marcus Morris and 1 year/25 mil for Ariza. If no KD of course.
Bring back Vonleh on a bloated 1 year deal too.

I like Morris on a 2-3 year contract, team option, of course, but his dollar is over bloated. He made 5.375 mil last year and is a UFA. He would be a good pick up for way less.

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