Iman Shumpert and J.R. Smith to Cleveland for Lance Thomas (via OKC), Lou Amundson, Alex Kirk and Cavs’ 2019 second-round pick

Wayne Ellington and Jeremy Tyler to Sacramento for Quincy Acy and Travis Outlaw
Travis Outlaw, 2019 second-round pick and swap rights on 2018 second-rounder to Philadelphia for Arnett Moultrie

Drafted: Cleanthony Early (No. 34) and Thanasis Antetokounmpo (No. 51)

In comparison Perry looks like Houdini

Mixed bag with draft picks, like a lot of execs. Willy made the all rookie team, the talent was there, but so was Willy's sense of entitlement. First thing he said he would do in the offseason, was work on his D. Came back looking worse.

KP wasnt a bad pick. The talent is definitely there. Like with Willy, he thought what little he had done in the league to this point, was enough to cop a major attitude. Understood the frustration with mgmt. Handled it poorly.

Most of the moves that were made were lateral moves, because of the cap. It was mostly a waste of time because of the quest to find players to fit an antiquated system.

As you said Cartman, what really did the Knicks in was Noah, as well as Rose joining the team. Chemistry got worse. Phil got jealous of seeing the teams and players he tweeted negatively about in the playoffs, and he wasnt. Maxing out Melo and giving him an NTC was a close second.

Believe if one image summed up Jackson's tenure. It was Phil sleeping while a draft pick was working out. Just collecting a paycheck. What bothered me was this was not just another cellar dwelling expansion team, this was the team where he got his start, won a title for the first time. Where he learned from his mentor Red Holzman. Thought he showed the Knicks, and the fans very little respect, especially after getting paid that mega salary.

Vmart wrote:You guys got it all wrong Phil is the victim here. It’s the ESPN cronies that screwed his tenure up. People got on the bandwagon and that was that. They do that a lot with NY teams. They did the same with Gettleman on the Giants too. Phil’s only mistakes was Noah’s contract and Melo who had Steven A smith and all f’ing cronies at espn hoodwinked.

He tried his f’ing best with the shyt show he inherited. You guys are to dense to see that Mills to this date is carrying out Phil’s plan of action. What did he say before the Melo fiasco. It better for Melo to go somewhere else. The Knicks are a rebuilding team.

Thank you. Phil sacrificed his relationship with Jeannie to serve the Knicks. He did a fine job considering the cluster-muck he inherited.

It must be a cold, lonely night at the haters club to be throwing shade on Phil. If you think Noah/Rose were bad acquisitions then you won't complain signing Durant for four years. You ain't seen a money sink that big in a while.

nychamp wrote:What year are we in again?

People are talking on here as well as Twitter about how much bad the Knicks FO is and Knicks are a bad org etc, but what moves has Perry made that were bad really. I’m trying to say that Perry is doing a phenomenal job so far and he is light years ahead in that dept compare to Phil who was supposed to save this franchise from Dolan and all the other crap moves we had in the previous eras.

The whole fan base including myself were psyched about Phil’s signing that he can’t do no wrong but he proved that his old self like hornacek and brown are not cut out for today’s nba management. All the Jerry Sloan’s of the nba are done.

Maybe I should have titled the thread Perry light years ahead of Phil. This fan base better recognize that before calling Perry out. Phil would have signed Vucevic to a 5 year max or some **** like that this offseason or Marcus Morris to a Noah style deal

The problem was not Phil.

It remains the same.

Dolan and Mills. Mills knows nothing about building a basketball team or winning at the NBA level. Zilch.

nyknickzingis wrote:Yet had they listened to him and traded Porzingis when he suggested it, the Knicks would have had two major league talents right now. Instead the Knicks get DSJ. A player that is questionable to be a starter on a good team.

The problem was not Phil.

It remains the same.

Dolan and Mills. Mills knows nothing about building a basketball team or winning at the NBA level. Zilch.

nyknickzingis wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:Yet had they listened to him and traded Porzingis when he suggested it, the Knicks would have had two major league talents right now. Instead the Knicks get DSJ. A player that is questionable to be a starter on a good team.

The problem was not Phil.

It remains the same.

Dolan and Mills. Mills knows nothing about building a basketball team or winning at the NBA level. Zilch.

Phil wanted Markhanen, who has his own health problems. Neither of them handled the situation well.

I rather have Lauri and Booker, than DSJ.

Knicks fans can keep fooling themselves. Few months ago everyone dreaming about Zion, KD, Kyrie.
I'm tired.
I want a good team that has a chance to win a ring. It seemingly never happens. Oh well.

Would rather have a healthy DSjr, and two max slots. Your way, we are a first round playoff exit, if we're lucky, and little cap room to maneuver. We wouldnt even be entertaining the possibility of bringing two elite players to the Knicks without this trade.

Almost forgot the 2 first rounders.

nyknickzingis wrote:Yet had they listened to him and traded Porzingis when he suggested it, the Knicks would have had two major league talents right now. Instead the Knicks get DSJ. A player that is questionable to be a starter on a good team.

The problem was not Phil.

It remains the same.

Dolan and Mills. Mills knows nothing about building a basketball team or winning at the NBA level. Zilch.